Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say

[Oystein]

Hmm do you think there is such an entity as "The Saudis" which includes all Saudis, or do you assert that beachnut implies that there is such an entity as "The Saudis" which includes all Saudis?
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I think the people of Saudi Arabia are oppressed by the "House of Saud" who are mostly just greedy corrupt criminals. I think that a warped interpretation which is called Wahhabi/Salafi is taught to children in those madrasses where they bob their little heads back and forth and become crazy jihadis is our problem. This belief is funded and spread mostly by Saudi Arabia, Qatar, UAE, and more than ever before, Pakistan.

The jihadis directed their attention to the USA, Canada, Europe, etc... who have been propping up these dictitorial powers throughout the middle east while the people suffer.

I think those guys did 9/11 to get us to take notice of our foreign policies, but that was part of what was covered up by the Bush administration. They did hate us, but the didn't hate us for our freedoms.

Ten years later, after everything thats been going on over there, thanks to the lies of the Bush administartion, we will actually have a jihadi problem they said we had right after 9/11.

You answered my question two weeks ago, and I haven't acknowledged it yet. I apologize. I avoided this thread as it, predictably, was dominated not by constructive discussion of the subject matter. [ETA]I have to take that back. I am now through with reading 7 pages of this thread. Since I have SHC on ignore and a handful of debunkers as well, and since I skipped every reply to SHC, the thread is actually quite readable, with both sides being earnest and constructive, at least sometimes.[/ETA]

I agree with the tenor of what you say: We do have highly questionable allies who oppress their people and teach them scary things.

But you didn't really answer my questions, when you deleted some of them from the quote. Or maybe you did implicitly?

You present Saudi Arabia as a monolithic entity - all of Saudi Arabia, or at least all of its ruling elite, is united in Wahhabi/Salafi fundamentalism and the resolve to export terrorism.

I don't think this is a realistic picture. The top echelon, the King and most of his cabinet, while certainly representing this state religion, are very much friends with the USA on account of the great oil business partnership, and I believe there are factions within the Saudi elite (the House of Saud, plus some), who represent a true and militant opposition to the West, and thus, by extension, to the King.

Would you agree or disagree with that assessment?

 

[Oystein]

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The reason I post links is because I think it is better than me just saying something.

For instance,

I say Bush covered up the Saudi involvement in 9/11.

What does that mean if I say it? Not much I don't think.

If I post links that prove Bush covered up the Saudi involvement, is that not better than just saying it????

The best would be if you posted

A. an Abstract of your claim

B. a concrete and actionable summary (perhaps with the help of some brief quotes) of what we are going to find in your claim (WHICH particular Saudi involvement was that which Bush covered up, and HOW did he do that?)

C. Link the source.



I for one rarely click on links unless they come with a summary of what I will expect there. Most of your quotes so far seemed to be rather too vague, and I don't know how to place them in any larger picture.

 

[Oystein]

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Therefore we can say for a fact that the Bush administration covered up the foreign involvement of Saudi Arabia in the events of 9/11.

We can also say for a fact that the Bush administration then tried to place blame on Iraq and illegally attacked them instead.

Therefore it is a fact that George W. Bush and others in his administration are traiotrs to their country.

I don't think that satisfies any legal definition of "treason".

However it makes him a war criminal under Nuremberg principles

 

[Oystein]

springhallconvert does not speak for people interested in the truth. All he does is post some general talking points that he has heard, but doesn't even really know what or why he is saying what he is saying. His comment about ali sufan is proof of that.

Please stop littering this thread.

seconded.

 

[Oystein]

Tell your friend to find out about the forged Niger documents that led to the fraudulent war in Iraq.

That could hang Bush!
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I knew about that forgery, and others, that led the USA into the Iraq war. I knew some of them (particularly the mobile chemical weapons labs and the Hussein-AQ link) to be hoaxes even before the war started in 2003. All from major news media (in Europe, of course). Not sure when I became aware of the forged Niger documents, but that was also almost immediately when the story broke: Everybody with a sane mind knew that the story was fishy, and Bush invaded Iraq for reasons rather unconnected to WMD, 9/11 or AQ.

It wasn't the media that failed. It was, ultimately, the People of the USA that failed when it re-elected and thus absolved Bush and his cabinet.

 

[Mudcat]

It wasn't the media that failed. It was, ultimately, the People of the USA that failed when it re-elected and thus absolved Bush and his cabinet.

Don't look at me, I didn't vote for him. In either of his terms.

 

[Oystein]

Don't look at me, I didn't vote for him. In either of his terms.

Still guilty by association

 

[tsig]

Bingo. That's the big question everyone on this board should be asking and attempting to answer.

When corruption, cronyism, and treason permeate nearly every level of government, and that government murders its own citizens in cold blood, who has the authority, resources, and power to investigate the investigators?

Nobody so you might as well bend over and enjoy it.

 

[000063]

Are you guys arguing that Osama bin Laden never spent any time living, hiding out, or planning his supposed attacks in caves? Or are you arguing that he was always doing these things in mansions and large private compounds?

That is a really transparent false binary.

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That's an interesting theory you've got there. It does make you wonder how Germany could lose WW1, be stripped of massive amounts of territory and wealth in reparations, suffer legendary economic upheaval, and then less than 20 years later, build up an advanced war machine the likes of which the world had never seen up until that time and wage war on multiple continents against all the greatest world powers at the same time.

Who was the fairy godmother in Hitler's corner, I wonder?

I think you're oversimplifying WW2 just a tad.

 

[beachnut]

... It does make you wonder how Germany could lose WW1... ?

Did not try hard enough? Not prepared like 911 truth. It was history.
??? now what?

... , and then less than 20 years later, build up an advanced war machine the likes of which the world had never seen up until that time and wage war on multiple continents against all the greatest world powers at the same time. ...?

And lose WWII! Practice, like 911 truth spreading lies and failing constantly. Practice make perfect. 911 truth has failure down to a science; the only science 911 truth can do.

... , .Who was the fairy godmother in Hitler's corner, I wonder?

The same one 911 truth has. The fairy godmother of failure.


2 Ex-senator said something and recovering 911 truth followers jump on it, wanting to call Bush a traitor, etc, etc. 911 truth has problems differentiating hearsay from evidence.