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Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say

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Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say
By ERIC LICHTBLAU, February 29, 2012

WASHINGTON — For more than a decade, questions have lingered about the possible role of the Saudi government in the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, even as the royal kingdom has made itself a crucial counterterrorism partner in the eyes of American diplomats.

Now, in sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, two former senators who were privy to top secret information on the Saudis’ activities say they believe that the Saudi government might have played a direct role in the terrorist attacks.

“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of Sept. 11 victims and others. Mr. Graham led a joint 2002 Congressional inquiry into the attacks.

read more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/us/graham-and-kerrey-see-possible-saudi-9-11-link.html?_r=1

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He's "convinced"....wow I'm impressed. So where is the evidence so the rest of us can be "convinced"?
 
000063 said:
No, the questions mostly are regarding his current position, in contrast to his earlier ones. Trying to figure out where he stands now is perfectly relevant.
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The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying." page 51/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf


"We were seeing in writing what we had suspected for some time: the White House was directing the cover-up"
Bob Graham, Intelligence Matters (pg 166.)



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shure said:
The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying." page 51/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf


"We were seeing in writing what we had suspected for some time: the White House was directing the cover-up"
Bob Graham, Intelligence Matters (pg 166.)



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Do you ever plan to use your own words?
 
The White House was covering up that Islamic extremists, mostly from Saudi Arabia, funded by typical supporters of Islamic terrorism, were responsible for the 9/11 attacks?

Does that mean the Truthers have been working for the White House to perpetuate that cover-up?

Respectfully,
Myriad
 
shure said:
Yes.

I'm also saying that it is importatnt to find out where islamic extremism comes from. As well as how it is spread and funded, etc...
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They come from all over the Middle East. Could you please do some historical research before you open your mouth? And I'm sure the funding has nothing to do with the former head of al-Queda being a millionaire. :rolleyes:
 
shure said:
The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying." page 51/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf


"We were seeing in writing what we had suspected for some time: the White House was directing the cover-up"
Bob Graham, Intelligence Matters (pg 166.)



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So?

Bob Graham has a book and someone is posting quotes from it. Bob Graham was in-charge of overseeing intelligence for 10 years. His book is showing how bad Graham was at fixing things he was responsible for. What is your point?

Are you trying to back in your support for "Cheney said shoot-down, means stand-down" with this quote-mining effort with no comments or claims?


You imply what? The informant did not help the terrorists. The FBI investigated; did you read all the 858 pages you are quote-mining? And you are saying what? Better read all 858 pages of the report before you find out your own source refutes your claims/comments, the ones you have not made.
 
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DGM said:
I'm not sure I'd stop there. As I'm sure you know, there have been several cases of US born "Islamic extremists" in the news in the last (what) 15 years.
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I was trying to keep it simple for OP, as his posts show that he not only can't comprehend basic facts, but basic Middle East history, either.
 
Brass said:
I was trying to keep it simple for OP, as his posts show that he not only can't comprehend basic facts, but basic Middle East history, either.
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True but, His question seems to indicate that he believes that this is a regional problem. Why treat him with "kid gloves" if he wants to talk big boy issues?

Like I said, I have no reason to not listen to proof that the Saudi Government was involved. I also find no reason to think some factions of the Saudi "Royalty" could not be.

I'm willing to let this play out.
 
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shure said:
Saudi Arabia May Be Tied to 9/11, 2 Ex-Senators Say
By ERIC LICHTBLAU, February 29, 2012

WASHINGTON — For more than a decade, questions have lingered about the possible role of the Saudi government in the attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, even as the royal kingdom has made itself a crucial counterterrorism partner in the eyes of American diplomats.

Now, in sworn statements that seem likely to reignite the debate, two former senators who were privy to top secret information on the Saudis’ activities say they believe that the Saudi government might have played a direct role in the terrorist attacks.

“I am convinced that there was a direct line between at least some of the terrorists who carried out the September 11th attacks and the government of Saudi Arabia,” former Senator Bob Graham, Democrat of Florida, said in an affidavit filed as part of a lawsuit brought against the Saudi government and dozens of institutions in the country by families of Sept. 11 victims and others. Mr. Graham led a joint 2002 Congressional inquiry into the attacks.

read more:
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/01/us/graham-and-kerrey-see-possible-saudi-9-11-link.html?_r=1



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Saudi involvement in 911. Ya don't say. No **** Sherlock. Flash to bang. Is your name Rick Ochet. No flies on you son.

Gotta love em. lol.
 
alienentity said:
Yah, it could simply point to another kind of conspiracy. That is fine IMO if it points toward Saudis, hijackers and planes,and away from phantom controlled demolition and Larry Silverstein etc...

I suppose almost anything would be an improvement on current 9/11 Truth claims...:cool:
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Too cool. Turning more and more into an 'outside job' every year. Too dumb to realise what they imply.

Gotta love em. lol.
 
Kevin_Lowe said:
Can we talk about the topic, without you picking fights about what this person may have said elsewhere?
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Sorry but it's not just about picking a fight, and it does concern what he's said elsewhere. He has quite the journal of claims regarding the event and it's necessary to know where he stands now in order to further this discussion.



shure said:
The Administration has to date objected to the Inquiry’s efforts to interview the informant in order to attempt to resolve those inconsistencies. The Administration also would not agree to allow the FBI to serve a Committee subpoena and deposition notice on the informant. Instead, written interrogatories from the Joint Inquiry were, at the suggestion of the FBI, provided to the informant. Through an attorney, the informant has declined to respond to those interrogatories and has indicated that, if subpoenaed, the informant would request a grant of immunity prior to testifying." page 51/858
http://www.gpoaccess.gov/serialset/creports/pdf/fullreport_errata.pdf


"We were seeing in writing what we had suspected for some time: the White House was directing the cover-up"
Bob Graham, Intelligence Matters (pg 166.)



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Why did you not answer my questions and instead post this? Here, I'll ask them again.

Does this mean you are a reformed no planer/twoofer/inside job conspiracist?
If not, what does this have to do with 9/11 Truth?
If so, should this thread then not be moved to Politics?
Please elaborate on your meaning for this thread with regards to 9/11 Conspiracy Theories.
 
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Saudi who left Fla. before 9/11 considered bin Laden a 'hero,' informant told FBI in '04
By Anthony Summers and Dan Christensen
Special to msnbc.com, March 12, 2012

A Saudi man who triggered an FBI investigation after he and his family left their Sarasota, Fla., area home and moved overseas two weeks before 9/11 considered Osama bin Laden a “hero” and may have known some of the hijackers, an informant told the FBI in 2004.

The informant also told authorities that the Saudi, Abdulazziz al-Hijji, once introduced him to Adnan El Shukrijumah -- another former Florida resident and suspected top al-Qaida operative who today has a $5 million bounty on his head.

The FBI and the Sarasota County Sheriff’s Office interviewed the informant, Wissam Taysir Hammoud, at the Hillsborough County Jail on April 7, 2004. The Miami-based investigative website Broward Bulldog obtained Florida Department of Law Enforcement reports about the interview and the investigation using the state’s public records law.

continue reading:
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_n...red-bin-laden-a-hero-informant-told-fbi-in-04


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So he's asked questions he's dodged in the past, and he ignores them and copy-pastes a wall of text without explaining its relevance.
 
000063 said:
So he's asked questions he's dodged in the past, and he ignores them and copy-pastes a wall of text without explaining its relevance.
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The "wall" is manageable and the relevance isn't too hard to discern.

The problem is: it is nigh impossible to follow up closely to these stories, as we don't have access to sources within Saudi Arabia, and, apparently, neither do the news media. So we are left to speculate what this vaguery implies.

Still, this is much more interesting than anything the truthers dish out nowadays.


To add some content, but no sources: I have read suggestions that US secret services know rather well who inside Saudi Arabia supported AQ to a significant degree - and that the Saudi services moved quickly to eliminate these persons. All in an effort to keep face and the oil flowing. If this is true, then justice thus was arguably served, dangers quelled, while freedom of information is the prime victim. What's missing then from the full story of 9/11 is a big fat footnote.
 
Classified documents contradict FBI on post-9/11 probe of Saudis, ex-senator says
By Anthony Summers and Dan Christensen, Special to msnbc.com
March 13, 2012


Former New Jersey Gov. Thomas Kean, left, greets former Sen. Bob Graham in a Dec. 17, 2004 file photo. Graham, who co-chaired the joint congressional investigation of the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks, says the FBI did not inform his panel or a separate investigation co-chaired by Keane, about suspicious contacts between Saudi citizens living in Florida and some of the 9/11 hijackers.

Former Florida Sen. Bob Graham, who co-chaired Congress’ Joint Inquiry into the 9/11 terrorist attacks, has seen two classified FBI documents that he says are at odds with the bureau’s public statements that there was no connection between the hijackers and Saudis then living in Sarasota, Fla.

“There are significant inconsistencies between the public statements of the FBI in September and what I read in the classified documents,” Graham said.

“One document adds to the evidence that the investigation was not the robust inquiry claimed by the FBI,” Graham said. “An important investigative lead was not pursued and unsubstantiated statements were accepted as truth.”

read more here:
http://openchannel.msnbc.msn.com/_n...i-on-post-911-probe-of-saudis-ex-senator-says


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