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Borman Busted Lying

The January 17 1969 LIFE Magazine in which appeared personal accounts by each of the three Apollo 8 astronauts describing "the first voyage 'round the moon" is probably the single most important historic document of the late twentieth century.

In this single document, Apollo fraudulence is demonstrated with absolute certainty. Borman's own words provide a most eloquent and concise proof of Apollo Inauthenticity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQC3-45M&context=C3786151ADOEgsToPDskLKZfZX7FvcbHsLPqKbJV_z
 
Jay's Tussle With Jarrah Over The Realities Of The Sibrel Punch....

Jay and Jarrah had at it over this that and the other thing as regards the Bart Sibrel Buzz Aldrin cage match. Needless to say, my views differ from both those of Jay and Jarrah, but the cage match event was/is so so so important, it is indeed imperative that those of us interested in Apollo truth, Apollo authenticity/inauthenticity, take a good hard look at everything available on the subject. Quite literally, the truth about our world hangs in the balance, hangs by this surprisingly silly thread.

The awesome truth regarding Apollo Authenticity/Inauthenticity is amenable to determination based solely on a careful examination of this ostensibly trivial event, Aldrin pretending to bust Sibrel's chops. One need not even get up into low earth orbit. Just a cruise down Rodeo Drive proves Apollo bogus. Ever see a day in which not a car drives down the streets of that neighborhood? Pretty FAKE ain't it.

Anyway, for those unaware of the Jay/Jarrah cage match over this silly yet quite literally historic event, here are the links to the brawl. I saw the thing in real-time on pay-per-view. Thank God someone had the foresight to "record" this silly encounter as well.

Note the "Far Eastern"/Japanese camera crew in these videos, not filming.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMYyTjyWWlI

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq0FcfC0pUc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK9TXFQLjg4

And if you think I am kidding about the importance of this, consider the following. ALDRIN DEVOTES AN ENTIRE CHAPTER OF HIS BOOK "MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION" TO THE SIBREL PUNCH-OUT INCIDENT.
 
jeffhetzel said:
The set is well worth it. I am watching it again right now. You won't go wrong with any of the Spacecraft films sets. I finally am at the point where I have everything dealing with the early years up to the the shuttle. I think it might be hard to convince my wive of the "need" of those.:D
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Thanks for the info guys.

I'm definitely going to buy it as soon as. Amazon don't have a copy ATM so I might have to fork out for direct shipping. But as has been written, it will be worth it.


Compus
 
Hey quit stealing my lines!!!!!, By the way, I agree with you.....

threadworm said:
Two stories from the LROC site from the past couple of days:

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/534-Pinpoint-Landing-on-the-Ocean-of-Storms.html#extended

[qimg]http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/M175428601R_thumb.png[/qimg]

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/527-Follow-the-Tracks.html

[qimg]http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/uploads/M175252641LR_ap15.png[/qimg]

To coin a phrase they:

PROVE APOLLO AUTHENTICITY WITH METAPHYSICAL UNMITIGATED CERTITUDE. THIS EVIDENCE IS ABSOLUTELY UNIMPEACHABLE
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Hey quit stealing my lines!!!!!, By the way, I agree with you....


Looks like NASA/Apollo equipment to me as well, not going to get an argument from me there. I could not agree more......

Do wish they would send a rover down there to take some good pictures. You know, like they do with the Mars stuff. That would shut those silly naysayers up, the ones that don't believe anything was landed by the USAF during the Apollo Missions.
 
Well ask yourself this question......

ANTPogo said:
Again, how does a YouTube video, staged or not, about one old guy supposedly punching another guy in a Los Angeles hotel prove that the entire moon landing program which ended thirty years before is a fake? Lay out the individual steps in your theory which you think lead inexorably to your conclusion.

Because otherwise this is pure non sequitur.
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Well ask yourself this question......The punch scene is staged for the reasons given. You can't talk with your mouth full. We know Aldrin's fist never found Sibrel's chops.

Given this FACT, this TRUTH, what other reason would there be to stage this?

The scene is staged to bolster Aldrin's credibility and diminish fraud advocate credibility. Too bad it backfired cuz' now it is easy to show anyone with a middle school degree, prove to anyone with a middle school degree that Apollo is Inauthentic, FRAUDULENT.

As I said, nothing less than a sensational find. Silly yet compelling, trivial yet historic, dumb yet epic and quite literally a stupid gaffe that will change history for all time. A FAKE AND WAY TOO RISKY DESPERATE PLOY PROVES MAN NEVER LANDED ON THE MOON.

It is all so incredible and TRUE, AMAZING!!!!!!
 
Note the audio is very much in synch........

ANTPogo said:
Wait, the argument here is that entire NASA moon landing program is a fake because a video clip on YouTube of one guy punching another guy on Earth thirty years after the last Apollo mission has out-of-sync audio?!
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Note the audio is very much in synch........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaL7Ni1JYsM&context=C3b3266bADOEgsToPDskI_mVGeIj25HEFbtmHxkw-_

Prior to Aldrin punching Sibrel, the thespian says, "Will you get away from me". You will note here that the audio is in perfect synch with the lip/mouth movements of our Sir Laurence Olivier wanna-be...........
 
So Fake, so phony, so staged, it's trwew it's TRWEW....

ANTPogo said:
Wait, the argument here is that entire NASA moon landing program is a fake because a video clip on YouTube of one guy punching another guy on Earth thirty years after the last Apollo mission has out-of-sync audio?!
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So Fake, so phony, so staged, it's trwew it's TRWEW...

Another critical point demonstrating with unmitigated metaphysical certitude the FRAUDULENCE of the Aldrin/Sibrel cage match, and along with it, the unmitigated FRAUDULENCE of all of Apollo.

Recall how the talented thespian NOT claimed in chapter 20 of his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION, a chapter entitled "A BLOW HEARD 'ROUND THE WORLD", an entire chapter dedicated to this OBVIOUS PUBLICITY STUNT THAT ANY MIDDLE SCHOOLER COULD AND NOW MUST RECOGNIZE AS SUCH, that the "Far Eastern" film crew/interviewers turned out to be a hostile lot, pitching to Sir Laurence Light questions with APOLLO FRAUD overtones/implications. The world's worst actor then emphasizes in his book that he ended the interview there, did not linger, said his "goodbyes" and split.

So what are these guys doing following Aldrin around filming him downstairs for? Aldrin would not have permitted that. Filming someone like this is not illegal, but let's get real here. Aldrin let these people know that their questions with the "hoax" implications were not welcome. He told them the interview was OVER. They would not continue to film him, down the elevator, downstairs to the lobby where they would all FIND a waiting Bart Sibrel.

The video you see is that shot by Sibrel's crew, "the Far Eastern" crew is itself filmed, and filmed in these scenes by Sibrel's team.

The fact that this HOSTILE FAR EASTERN CREW CONTINUES TO FOLLOW ALDRIN AND AT TIMES BE SEEN TO AT LEAST BE FEIGNING TO FILM THE THESPIAN, IS FURTHER PROOF THAT THIS THING IS STAGED.

Take a careful look and try as you may, try as you might to prove me wrong, show me how this bogus thing is anything but FAKE!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJGonxoCE&context=C359bf86ADOEgsToPDskJFjn7nHpP6kVyqvLl6RJnA

They had no reason to follow him once told their interview was over. What were they going to do, follow Aldrin to his car and film him climbing in? Not that such a filming would not have some interest for someone GENUINELY HOSTILE like me. You know, it is a bit ODD!!!!!!! this busy street featured NOT A SINGLE CAR rolling by during this PHONY AS ALL GET OUT STAGED PUNCHING SCENARIO.

17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7......JIVE OFF, NOT TO MENTION RIP OFF, WEE HAVE JIVE OFF AND RIP OFF.......
 
Patrick1000 said:
So Fake, so phony, so staged, it's trwew it's TRWEW...

Another critical point demonstrating with unmitigated metaphysical certitude the FRAUDULENCE of the Aldrin/Sibrel cage match, and along with it, the unmitigated FRAUDULENCE of all of Apollo.

Recall how the talented thespian NOT claimed in chapter 20 of his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION, a chapter entitled "A BLOW HEARD 'ROUND THE WORLD", an entire chapter dedicated to this OBVIOUS PUBLICITY STUNT THAT ANY MIDDLE SCHOOLER COULD AND NOW MUST RECOGNIZE AS SUCH, that the "Far Eastern" film crew/interviewers turned out to be a hostile lot, pitching to Sir Laurence Light questions with APOLLO FRAUD overtones/implications. The world's worst actor then emphasizes in his book that he ended the interview there, did not linger, said his "goodbyes" and split.

So what are these guys doing following Aldrin around filming him downstairs for? Aldrin would not have permitted that. Filming someone like this is not illegal, but let's get real here. Aldrin let these people know that their questions with the "hoax" implications were not welcome. He told them the interview was OVER. They would not continue to film him, down the elevator, downstairs to the lobby where they would all FIND a waiting Bart Sibrel.

The video you see is that shot by Sibrel's crew, "the Far Eastern" crew is itself filmed, and filmed in these scenes by Sibrel's team.

The fact that this HOSTILE FAR EASTERN CREW CONTINUES TO FOLLOW ALDRIN AND AT TIMES BE SEEN TO AT LEAST BE FEIGNING TO FILM THE THESPIAN, IS FURTHER PROOF THAT THIS THING IS STAGED.

Take a careful look and try as you may, try as you might to prove me wrong, show me how this bogus thing is anything but FAKE!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJGonxoCE&context=C359bf86ADOEgsToPDskJFjn7nHpP6kVyqvLl6RJnA

They had no reason to follow him once told their interview was over. What were they going to do, follow Aldrin to his car and film him climbing in? Not that such a filming would not have some interest for someone GENUINELY HOSTILE like me. You know, it is a bit ODD!!!!!!! this busy street featured NOT A SINGLE CAR rolling by during this PHONY AS ALL GET OUT STAGED PUNCHING SCENARIO.

17, 16, 15, 14, 13, 12, 11, 10, 9, 8, 7......JIVE OFF, NOT TO MENTION RIP OFF, WEE HAVE JIVE OFF AND RIP OFF.......
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Seriously this childish tone is not helping your argument such as it is. And again even if you could prove that the Sibrel footage was fake, which you have emphatically not done, it would have zero impact on the reality of Apollo 30 plus years earlier. Tracking, rocks, film, LRO pictures, these are the things you have failed to address, not to mention Teflon, Oxygen, and facing those you accuse.
 
Patrick1000 said:
This One Is Even Better ANTPogo......

Sibrel's original slowed to 15%. I used Adobe Premiere for the slowing, maintained the audio pitch.
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What is your formal training in the use of Adobe Premiere?
I have some training in its use. Tread carefully. It is not a tool which is normally taught to doctors, is it?

Basically, you faffed about with sliders, and that is it.

Patrick1000 said:
This proves Apollo Inauththenticity with unmitigated metaphysical incontrovertible certainty...........
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No. It shows you can download a bootleg copy and mess about with sliders, without knowing what you are doing.

Patrick1000 said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSqO4z_ejQc&context=C3b3266bADOEgsToPDskI_mVGeIj25HEFbtmHxkw-_

Mindblowing isn't it? How FAKE it all is and how easy it is to prove.
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Argumentum ad youtubem, please.

Patrick1000 said:
Did you know that in Aldrin's own book, "MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION", Aldrin wrote that it was a "Far Eastern"/Japanese media team that had invited Aldrin to that hotel, interviewed and videoed the thespian. Sibrel did not stalk Aldrin. As the story is told in the main, Sibrel was "tipped off", informed that the "Far Eastern"/Japanese crew was going to be there.
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Yes, we did. And we also knew that Sibrel ambushed him after the interview.

Patrick1000 said:
Sibrel did not ambush Aldrin, the Far Eastern film crew did. Truth be told, they were in on this too, albeit PERHAPS unknowingly. For all we know, they may ALL be actors(see below).
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Well, for all we know you are a spotty teen in a basement. I am now resolved to make contact with Dr. Patrick Tekeli to verify your story. Stand by for results.

Patrick1000 said:
Anyhoo, since this was/is all fake, one knows that much, it wouldn't have been much of an ambush anyway, even were Sibrel there without the "Far Eastern"/Japanese crew. Not much of an ambush when the guy getting punched knows the punch is commin', knows he really ain't gonna' get hit, and as a matter of fact, is a dude actually on your side, Aldrin's side, a full fledged Fraud PERP.
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Bunch of un-evidenced claims.

Patrick1000 said:
Aldrin claimed in his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION that the "Far Eastern"/Japanese interviewing team was hostile, and as a consequence, he broke off the interview because the subject matter went "out of bounds". That is, involved the topic of Aldrin's FRADULENT trip to the moon, involved the topic of Apollo Inauthenticity.
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More un-evidenced claims.

Patrick1000 said:
Note carefully how it is "Sibrel's team" that videos this, and it is that "version" of the scene that reaches the public. The Japanese video team is standing/walking around for the most part. Look at them, how inactive they are, almost making an effort to NOT BE FILMING. We never see their video. They are not shooting much of the time, if at all. We never have seen their presumably bogus video. It has never been published. Were this real, of course they would publish the stuff. It is so gossipy good, and as it turns out, perfectly legal. In the state of California, you can video someone out in public like this, in front of a hotel, without their permission. A hostile film crew, however perceived as unethical, was doing nothing illegal filming Aldrin here. Better said, doing nothing illegal filming this staged encounter.
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You have no experience in such activities. Where does your claimed expertise originate?

Patrick1000 said:
Perhaps the second camera crew were hoping for a better angle on the PHONY punch, hoping for a good shot as Aldrin's stepdaughter moves away from the Japanese crew's line of sight. She moves away, clearly on cue. LOOK AT HER, NOTE HER VIGILANCE AND SHE IS NOT LOOKING OUT FOR BUZZ. SHE IS BEING CUED AS TO WHEN TO MOVE, WHERE TO MOVE.
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Perhaps you are simply wrong.

Patrick1000 said:
So the stepdaughter moves on cue to give the Japanese cameraman an angle, a clear shot at the punch. They were hoping to get a shot that showed the phony punch better. The punch shot we do have, the one published, the one circulating, is not convincing at all with Sibrel's back turned like this. As it turns out, must have been the best that they could do. Since Aldrin did not really hit Sibrel, it probably wound up looking that way, as though he wasn't really hit. That is assuming the Japanese really did film the FAKE PUNCH froma Aldrin's right as they had set up to do so.
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You cannot know all this, as is obvious to and casual reader. Really, Patrick, you know what the camera crew were hoping?

Patrick1000 said:
Note how the stepdaughter doesn't say anything to Sibrel of substance. Aldrin claims in his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION that she kept asking the Sibrel camera crew to turn off their video. Doesn't look like that to me, like anyone asked Sibrel's cameraman to turn off his video.
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It is known as shock, as a doctor would know.

Patrick1000 said:
Note how the step daughter does not try to pull Aldrin away. Note how there is NO TRAFFIC AT ALL IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL. This despite Aldrin's claim in the book that the traffic was brisk and this is what kept him from getting away from Sibrel. The fact that there is not traffic at all not a single car goes by suggests this was staged to the extent that the street was "roped off" briefly and every person you see here is acting in a sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJGonxoCE&context=C359bf86ADOEgsToPDskJFjn7nHpP6kVyqvLl6RJnA
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Argumentum ad youtubem again Patrick?

Patrick1000 said:
Like I said, this stuff is pure gold.
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At last, you got something right. Please explain how this relates to the Apollo events of thirty years previous.
 
Patrick1000 said:
The January 17 1969 LIFE Magazine in which appeared personal accounts by each of the three Apollo 8 astronauts describing "the first voyage 'round the moon" is probably the single most important historic document of the late twentieth century.

In this single document, Apollo fraudulence is demonstrated with absolute certainty. Borman's own words provide a most eloquent and concise proof of Apollo Inauthenticity.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53iSQC3-45M&context=C3786151ADOEgsToPDskLKZfZX7FvcbHsLPqKbJV_z
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Argumentum ad youtubem again Patrick?
 
Five out of the last seven posts of Pat's deal with Sibrel. IOW, nothing.

The other two have even less to do with anything.

I think this qualifies as "ranting" and/or "raving".

Pat, why not tell us the secret of how you got into medical school without taking any college level chemistry?
 
Patrick1000 said:
This proves Apollo Inauththenticity with unmitigated metaphysical incontrovertible certainty...
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You keep using this same nonsensical pile of words.

The rest of your post is a typically meaningless wall of text that fails to connect your charges against Sibrel with your charges against Apollo. You're simply pointing your finger in random directions and yelling "perp!" Your impression of what a "proper" ambush interview should be is simply irrelevant.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Hey quit stealing my lines!!!!!, By the way, I agree with you...
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You put your words in their mouth. They didn't steal anything.

Do wish they would send a rover down there to take some good pictures.
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You failed to substantiate your standard of proof after having been asked repeatedly to do so. Begging the question -- argument rejected.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Anyway, for those unaware of the Jay/Jarrah cage match over this silly yet quite literally historic event, here are the links to the brawl.
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Um, no. I don't participate in Jarrah White's videos, nor do I even watch them.

And if you think I am kidding about the importance of this...
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I can put you in touch with either Aldrin or Sibrel or both (but probably not at the same time). You have refused my invitations repeatedly, so you're nothing more than hot air. It's not important because you don't behave as if it's important. You behave as if this is just another ploy for attention.
 
Patrick -

Regarding the encounter between Aldrin and Sibrel. Your interpretation is wrong. We've already determined that.

Regarding your proof that PTFE will not burn in a supercritical environment, where is it?

Regarding your analysis of matte processes in film and video, where is it?

Finally, are you or are you not going to face the people, including Sibrel, that you libel? I once asked you for a simple declaritive sentence. I'll make it easier: yes or no.
 
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