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Two stories from the LROC site from the past couple of days:

http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/534-Pinpoint-Landing-on-the-Ocean-of-Storms.html#extended

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http://lroc.sese.asu.edu/news/index.php?/archives/527-Follow-the-Tracks.html

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To coin a phrase they:

PROVE APOLLO AUTHENTICITY WITH METAPHYSICAL UNMITIGATED CERTITUDE. THIS EVIDENCE IS ABSOLUTELY UNIMPEACHABLE
 
Patrick1000 said:
As you may have read above realpaladin, an extensive list of my key posts is not allowed, understandably. It would and will run in the hundreds of posts. I would estimate more than 500 at this time.

I'll compile the list myself and the list will include link, post number and topic. The list will be sorted/organized/indexed by subject. I'll PM you the list when complete.

What is keeping you from putting it on pastebin.com and then link to that single post???

Patrick1000 said:
Perhaps more significantly, and more useful, I'll write up a little synopsis of my views on Apollo, a relatively concise presentation of Method(how they did it and how one knows it fraudulent), Motive(why they did it, outlining my speculations on the military goals/intent), Men involved(perpetrator list with a reason as to why I know the person to be a perp).

I'll set up an email just for perp contact. I'll send all the surviving perps a copy of the Chop busting synopsis and invite them to debate me here or elsewhere. I assume there will be perps I won't be able to reach for this that or the other reason and so, others, anyone, will be welcome to direct the perps to this one particular post which summarizes my charges and so forth, and my contact email as well. This way, the perps can engage me if/as they wish, and are free to communicate with forum members here as well.

Put the threadlink in the pastebin post.

Patrick1000 said:
Just to be clear again, anyone I have explicitly named in this thread as a perp, I would be happy to debate. Better said, I would enthusiastically welcome the opportunity to debate, providing the debate occurred at a neutral(non NASA) site and featured a neutral(as disinterested personally as possible)moderator.

Make a pastebin.com list of that as well, please.
 
I'll set up an email just for perp contact. I'll send all the surviving perps a copy of the Chop busting synopsis...

Unacceptable.

You have provided no substantiation for the claims you've already made to have contacted these "perps." Further, you are a proven liar and an evident fraud. Therefore a system operated and controlled entirely by you with no outside verification is not sufficient.

You have my offers on the table. Quit trying to change the rules to work in your favor.
 
This point is so important...

No, it really isn't.

People have been telling you ad nauseam what they consider important. But you're all hot air; you won't provide any of it. You babble along instead with these inane distractions. I do take some satisfaction, however, that after eight months of pointless rants, you're now reduced to claiming other conspiracy theorists are hoaxes. I think whatever interest you may have had in Apollo proper is gone for good.

As usual, I have a way to contact Bart Sibrel. I'll set up a meeting between you and him. You two can slug it out. Naturally you'll ignore this invitation, but it's there.
 
Wait, the argument here is that entire NASA moon landing program is a fake because a video clip on YouTube of one guy punching another guy on Earth thirty years after the last Apollo mission has out-of-sync audio?!
 
So, the above rant about us "proving it false" means you can't and you need someone with actual knowledge to do it for you?

No.

I don't believe you. You've claimed to be a Dr and have shown medical knowledge that a reasonably bright 12 year old can best, you've claimed to be some sort of vet working with pee-testing horses, you've alledged that bikes are more complicated than rockets, you've claimed lots, and EVERY time you try to prove it you are shown quite clearly to be wrong, and then you change topic to avoid unpleasant truths.

You've promised us your incontrovertible proof and haven't done so.

You've offered the opportunity to personally confront the people you slander, but you refuse to do so - preferring to hide behind the Internet and cast childish insults.

Why should we do anything other than point out your continuing list of errors?
 
...Who could track junk that far away at the time? The Soviets, the US, the Brits I believe. Who else? It is a short list.
Your conspiracy theory requires the complicity of the Soviet Union at the height of the cold war. This is a fine example of why people laugh at you. You probably don't recall but it's why I concluded months ago that you are too young to remember the cold war. I do wonder if the doctor you keep claiming to be is actually your parent. You've alluded to a group of 16 year old chemistry students once or twice. Classmates, perhaps.

...I'll compile the list myself and the list will include link, post number and topic. The list will be sorted/organized/indexed by subject...

Perhaps more significantly, and more useful, I'll write up a little synopsis of my views on Apollo, a relatively concise presentation...
Concision would be a pleasing novelty. If you genuinely want the list to be useful to readers, I suggest you cross-reference each of your points to the replies which utterly demolish it.

<hysterical, shrieking, melodramatic hyperbole snipped>Sibrel's OWN VIDEO PUBLICATION PROVE APOLLO INAUTHENTICITY WITH METAPHYSICAL UNMITIGATED CERTITUDE. THIS EVIDENCE IS ABSOLUTELY UNIMPEACHABLE AS IT IS SIBREL'S OWN.
It appears to be your contention that it is logically impossible for men to fly to the moon if it is possible for a man involved in a hostile encounter to finish speaking a word after being struck.

Can you break this down into logical steps for us? First, of course, please show that an angry man accusing another of theft would be incapable of uttering the word after being struck. Then you can perhaps show us how this leads, logically and inexorably, to the impossibility of space flight.

On the other hand, maybe you can't.
 
Wait, the argument here is that entire NASA moon landing program is a fake because a video clip on YouTube of one guy punching another guy on Earth thirty years after the last Apollo mission has out-of-sync audio?!

Yup. That is exactly the argument being presented.

Feel free to guess my opinion of that malarkey.
 
I know you'll just handwave my response away...if you address it at all...but here goes:

Doesn't have to lift off as advertised. First and foremost doesn't need to weigh nearly as much. Just has to be trackable, and "fly" at the requisite speed.

But you claimed the LM was delivered in flight-ready condition and was only modified for it's alleged super sekrit military mission. You didn't say anything about extensive on-site re-engineering.

If it didn't have to lift off, how were lunar samples returned? You know, the several hundred pounds of stuff accepted by the world's geologists/selenologists as genuine lunar material.

How much did it have to weigh, what with all the automation equipment installed, that you have provided no evidence for?

At what "speed" did it have to "fly"? What trajectory? How do you account to two radio sources in lunar orbit?

Who could track junk that far away at the time? The Soviets, the US, the Brits I believe. Who else? It is a short list.

Germany, for one, if I recall correctly. On top of that, amateur astronomers optically acquired Apollo hardware en route and amateur radio operators intercepted highly directional voice transmissions from the Moon and from cislunar space.
 
A post featuring a clip of Aldrin/Sibrel punching scene allegedly from 2011.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELDWztp8nqc&feature=fvsr


Note in this particular version, one hears Sibrel get punched, then hears Sibel say THIEF, and then and only then AFTER THAT DOES ONE SEE SIBREL GET PUNCHED.

This version is purportedly put up by an Apollo fraud advocate, but obviously this cannot be the case. This person is a perp in sheep's clothing. The perp has changed the timing of the original Sibrel DVD presentation to try and put the sound of the punch where it ought to be.

This guy actually has screwed things up all the worse for the Apollo Apologist side, and now we know there are people/shills trying to pass themselves off as Apollo fraud advocates who are in actuality, Apollo Hoax perpetrators themselves, promulgating the bogus phony ever so ridiculous "Apollo We Really Did Land on The Moon Fairy Tale" by way of doing things like this, altering the timing of the dubbed PUNCH and "THIEF" exclamation.


This stuff is pure gold gold GOLD GOLD GOLD GOLD GOLD........ INSANE AND EVER SO OFF THE HOOK.

This Space Ship Done Blowed UP BIG TIME..........

Matter-zero-fact again Patrick?

What exactly does any of this have to do with the actual Apollo missions?

Nothing.
 
Your conspiracy theory requires the complicity of the Soviet Union at the height of the cold war. This is a fine example of why people laugh at you. You probably don't recall but it's why I concluded months ago that you are too young to remember the cold war. I do wonder if the doctor you keep claiming to be is actually your parent.
Likely so. I lived through that, I know how real the threat was in the depths of the cold war. Clearly Patrick does not. That is why I consider him to be likely a teen, surfing on the coat-tails of his, or someones, parents.

You've alluded to a group of 16 year old chemistry students once or twice. Classmates, perhaps.
Again, agreed.

Concision would be a pleasing novelty. If you genuinely want the list to be useful to readers, I suggest you cross-reference each of your points to the replies which utterly demolish it.
Unlikely to occur. More likely is another change of subject.

It appears to be your contention that it is logically impossible for men to fly to the moon if it is possible for a man involved in a hostile encounter to finish speaking a word after being struck.
It is a total non-sequitur.

Can you break this down into logical steps for us? First, of course, please show that an angry man accusing another of theft would be incapable of uttering the word after being struck. Then you can perhaps show us how this leads, logically and inexorably, to the impossibility of space flight.

On the other hand, maybe you can't.
No, he can't/won't, so don't hold your breath.
 
BUT what happens if this strategy of yours doesn't pan out? What if I am a doc that works on a daily basis with the INFLUENZA problem, know a lot about it, the DVT/PE PROBLEM as well? Those astronauts are gonna' be stranded out there naked in the cold of cislunar space without a defense. The jig will really be up then. I think it is a VERY BAD STRATEGY MYSELF on your part Tomblvd, but that is just me.

When are you going to get around to explaining to us how an M.D. managed to get into medical school without any college chemistry and then graduate from med school without coming into contact with chemistry?

You're stuck Pat. Either you are lying about your chemistry classes or you are lying about being a doctor.

Which is it?
 
I have purchased 15 copies of Sibrel's film . They will remain unopened, sealed. I have receipts for all of the different vendors from whom I made the film's purchase. I need not touch a one, not for now anyway. That is the whole idea. Too late for Sibrel to reedit this. If he tries it, I'll crucify him on the cislunar road to Golgotha. Sibrel wants to be a martyr? I'll nail his sorry heiny. Those videos, from 15 different vendors, Sibrel's OWN VIDEO PUBLICATION PROVE APOLLO INAUTHENTICITY WITH METAPHYSICAL UNMITIGATED CERTITUDE. THIS EVIDENCE IS ABSOLUTELY UNIMPEACHABLE AS IT IS SIBREL'S OWN.

What a brilliant idea! I'm sure Sibrel never expected anybody who purchased his DVD to actually hang on to it after watching it, thereby preserving the evidence! You may have the only existing proof!

It is the simplest proof of Apollo Inauthenticity we have, and a 13 year old can do this, obtain a Sibrel original and slow it, as every one should do it, and in so doing, PROVE APOLLO FULL ON PHONY PHONY PHONY.

13 year old indeed.

Good luck finding one.
 
Since it is clear that Pat will neither accept Jays challenge, nor will he ever stop replying, maybe the best thing is to ignore him entirely. Nearly 200 pages of replies is more than enough for anyone looking to debunk his other incarnations on other boards.
 
You are a bit late to our little soiree..........

Wait, the argument here is that entire NASA moon landing program is a fake because a video clip on YouTube of one guy punching another guy on Earth thirty years after the last Apollo mission has out-of-sync audio?!

You are a bit late to our little soiree..........

First of all, the video is not out of synch. Or if it is, Sibrel made it that way, cuz' it's Bart's video, no one else's. Secondly, the PUNCH SOUND precedes the UTTERANCE OF THE WORD "THIEF" SOUND, and so, regardless of where the audio "clip" is placed, positioned, the dubbed, contrived, inauthentic bogus sound betrays the scene as staged. The punch would have to FOLLOW Sibrel's "THIEF" were this real. One cannot get slammed in the face and still articulate these words with such clarity, impossible. Try it for yourself. Have someone push you instead of punch you. That will make my point.

Note the Japanese film crew to the left there. They are not part of Sibrel's team. Note how Sibrel's step daughter moves out of their way so that they can film the punch. She moves on signal.

Why don't you give this a shot and show us all how this is authentic, not staged, not dubbed.........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GaL7Ni1JYsM&context=C3b3266bADOEgsToPDskI_mVGeIj25HEFbtmHxkw-_

Rather embarassing this sensational little proof of Apollo inauthenticity, though here in the world of the "LOST BIRD", such a point is almost considered trivial. New FACTS demonstrating Apollo FRAUDULENCE turn up here every day. Have a look 'round why don't you....
 
PROVE APOLLO FULL ON PHONY PHONY PHONY.

TRY AND PROVE ME WRONG, TRY TRY TRY AND PROVE YOUR FAKE PRECIOUS APOLLO AUTHENTIC, TRY TRY TRY AND SAVE THE ASTRONAUTS RUMPS.

My find is beyond the stars sensational. Sibrel is a perp, a GRAND PERP, and as a matter of fact, ranks with the astronauts, Kranz and ARCH PERP JOHN AARON HIMSELF, as one of the "visibly" most important FRAUDSTERS. This, as opposed to a man like the Schiesser the royal SHYSTER, the phony math/trajectory/guidance man, one of the 'invisibly" important PERPS.

Wow, you no longer even try to pretend to be a sane professional, are you?

Quit acting like a spoiled seven year old brat, and provide Jay with your data.
 
You are a bit late to our little soiree..........

Again, how does a YouTube video, staged or not, about one old guy supposedly punching another guy in a Los Angeles hotel prove that the entire moon landing program which ended thirty years before is a fake? Lay out the individual steps in your theory which you think lead inexorably to your conclusion.

Because otherwise this is pure non sequitur.
 
Why don't you give this a shot and show us all how this is authentic, not staged, not dubbed...

Why don't you show that you have something more than hot air?

Send me your contact information. I'll contact Sibrel, and we'll set this up. You can accuse him to his face of being a NASA shill. You can accuse him to his face of staging the footage he's most proud of.

Naturally you won't even acknowledge this invitation.

Rather embarassing this sensational little proof of Apollo inauthenticity...

"Proving" that conspiracy theorist Bart Sibrel faked his ambush interview is somehow proof that Apollo was fake? How does that work? You're not even trying anymore. You've never been anything more than hot air, and you're even starting to run out of that. Your desperation is amusing.
 
This One Is Even Better ANTPogo......

Wait, the argument here is that entire NASA moon landing program is a fake because a video clip on YouTube of one guy punching another guy on Earth thirty years after the last Apollo mission has out-of-sync audio?!

This One Is Even Better ANTPogo......

Sibrel's original slowed to 15%. I used Adobe Premiere for the slowing, maintained the audio pitch.

This proves Apollo Inauththenticity with unmitigated metaphysical incontrovertible certainty...........

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSqO4z_ejQc&context=C3b3266bADOEgsToPDskI_mVGeIj25HEFbtmHxkw-_

Mindblowing isn't it? How FAKE it all is and how easy it is to prove.

Did you know that in Aldrin's own book, "MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION", Aldrin wrote that it was a "Far Eastern"/Japanese media team that had invited Aldrin to that hotel, interviewed and videoed the thespian. Sibrel did not stalk Aldrin. As the story is told in the main, Sibrel was "tipped off", informed that the "Far Eastern"/Japanese crew was going to be there.

Sibrel did not ambush Aldrin, the Far Eastern film crew did. Truth be told, they were in on this too, albeit PERHAPS unknowingly. For all we know, they may ALL be actors(see below).

Anyhoo, since this was/is all fake, one knows that much, it wouldn't have been much of an ambush anyway, even were Sibrel there without the "Far Eastern"/Japanese crew. Not much of an ambush when the guy getting punched knows the punch is commin', knows he really ain't gonna' get hit, and as a matter of fact, is a dude actually on your side, Aldrin's side, a full fledged Fraud PERP.

Aldrin claimed in his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION that the "Far Eastern"/Japanese interviewing team was hostile, and as a consequence, he broke off the interview because the subject matter went "out of bounds". That is, involved the topic of Aldrin's FRADULENT trip to the moon, involved the topic of Apollo Inauthenticity.

Note carefully how it is "Sibrel's team" that videos this, and it is that "version" of the scene that reaches the public. The Japanese video team is standing/walking around for the most part. Look at them, how inactive they are, almost making an effort to NOT BE FILMING. We never see their video. They are not shooting much of the time, if at all. We never have seen their presumably bogus video. It has never been published. Were this real, of course they would publish the stuff. It is so gossipy good, and as it turns out, perfectly legal. In the state of California, you can video someone out in public like this, in front of a hotel, without their permission. A hostile film crew, however perceived as unethical, was doing nothing illegal filming Aldrin here. Better said, doing nothing illegal filming this staged encounter.

Perhaps the second camera crew were hoping for a better angle on the PHONY punch, hoping for a good shot as Aldrin's stepdaughter moves away from the Japanese crew's line of sight. She moves away, clearly on cue. LOOK AT HER, NOTE HER VIGILANCE AND SHE IS NOT LOOKING OUT FOR BUZZ. SHE IS BEING CUED AS TO WHEN TO MOVE, WHERE TO MOVE.

So the stepdaughter moves on cue to give the Japanese cameraman an angle, a clear shot at the punch. They were hoping to get a shot that showed the phony punch better. The punch shot we do have, the one published, the one circulating, is not convincing at all with Sibrel's back turned like this. As it turns out, must have been the best that they could do. Since Aldrin did not really hit Sibrel, it probably wound up looking that way, as though he wasn't really hit. That is assuming the Japanese really did film the FAKE PUNCH froma Aldrin's right as they had set up to do so.

Note how the stepdaughter doesn't say anything to Sibrel of substance. Aldrin claims in his book MAGNIFICENT DESOLATION that she kept asking the Sibrel camera crew to turn off their video. Doesn't look like that to me, like anyone asked Sibrel's cameraman to turn off his video.

Note how the step daughter does not try to pull Aldrin away. Note how there is NO TRAFFIC AT ALL IN THE STREET IN FRONT OF THE HOTEL. This despite Aldrin's claim in the book that the traffic was brisk and this is what kept him from getting away from Sibrel. The fact that there is not traffic at all not a single car goes by suggests this was staged to the extent that the street was "roped off" briefly and every person you see here is acting in a sense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dsdJGonxoCE&context=C359bf86ADOEgsToPDskJFjn7nHpP6kVyqvLl6RJnA

Like I said, this stuff is pure gold.
 
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