Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Garrison]

I am a physician that dealsL with INFUENZA and INFLUENZA related problems daily

But you have also claimed that you made up your medical qualifications for satire. One of these claims must be a lie, please tell us which one. Is this why you won't provide your contact details? The knowledge that it would no longer be possible to invent claims about your skills and expertise if your real world identity were known?

 

[Patrick1000]

Very possibly......

After the woman walks in front of the camera, just before the punch, once she is just past, we may now be seeing a green screened Sibrel substituted via editing. The purpose of the distracting woman is to cover for the green screen Sibrel replacement. VERY VERY VERY POSSIBLE.......

Sibrel steps in front of Aldrin. The woman passes. Now the edit features a green screened Sibrel that reacts to the punch. They do not even need to practice the fake hitting thing in that case.

Note, it is not March 17. Sibrel ain't got nothing green on.

This rocket done blowed up........

 

[Patrick1000]

Not sure about tracks, have not studied that.

"If I lived in China... I would have Chinese children... if I lived in China..."

@Patrick1000 Please tell me how the hi-res Chinese scans of the moon fit in. Did the Americans quickly pop back to make all the tracks that they said they did so the Chinese did not find anything at fault?

Not sure about tracks, have not studied that. However, in a general sense, i believe the Americans landed hardware on the moon for military purposes during the Apollo missions. So if you look, you will find stuff, a LM say.

 

[realpaladin]

Patrick... China?

 

[Patrick1000]

Not nailed on INFLUENZA, nor LOST BIRD....

Yeah, I nailed you on this point. Meanwhile Matt and Jay and many others have nailed you completely on hundreds of other things.

The only difference is with my point it was in your face obvious, the other points need you to go away and aquire understanding. That ain't gonna happen, so your safety in ignorance stands.

Your whole 'Apollo 11 long' reason was for military purpose to hide the LRRR, from whom? Why, the general public and not the Soviets?! Absolutely anybody could freely access the Apollo mission reports a short while after the mission. Rejected.

Apollo 10/11 map contentions are just sheer ignorance on your part. For god's sake, the points you made about Julian dates, missing I and O from the indices, your lack of understanding about datums, the comparison with other images clearly different. Rejected.

Apollo 8, they 'invented' an illness to make it more plausible? Then despite him feeling better after 24 hrs, and you having no knowledge of the consult or exchanges, you flannel on about flu?? Rejected.

Apollo 12 lightning strike. Torn to shreds by Jay.

Apollo 13. All of it. Really, Jay has torn your argument to shreds.

Meeting with the 'perps' - afraid much? Put up or shut up.

Please don't insult everybody's intelligence by insisting you have acknowledged and learnt from your mistakes. You haven't acknowledged 95% of them at all - just ignored, the other 5% you represent as stuff you have learnt, without any concession to the poster who educated you accordingly, and certainly without acknowledging your original error!

Now kindly answer my last post concerning Michael Collins in space.

Not nailed on INFLUENZA, nor LOST BIRD...., nor the bogus Borman Look/Life article point dealing with Borman's taking seconal a second time INTENTIONALLY to actually TRY to make himself vomit and poop on his friends in pretend space, nor the point about the bogus Cortright report and their claims about aluminum, not to their Teflon claims(no experiments to back their claims, substantiate them). not my new point about Sibrel being in bed with you guys, not the part about the DoD map makers INTENTIONALLY labeling the landing ellipse with the Press Kit coordinates/inaccurately labeling the maps/purposely mislabeling the maps.....

Oh my, I must say, with regard to the big issues, especially the latest one, the Bart Sibrel revelation, I am indeed doing ever so well....Not so very nailed, matter-0-fact, with regard to the important stuff, not nailed attal'. In fact, I bust astronaut chops left right and center daily, not to mention busting Aaron's chops and the chops of supporting cast members as well when the whim strikes, like I bust cretin with a small "c" Kranz's chops and so forth when I feel like picking on him cuz' he made the mistake of trying to dupe me. Gene should not have done that Erock cuz' now he pays the ultimate price of abject embarrassment, courtesy of
DoctorPat, ya' see.........?.....

As stated explicitly several times before, mine is the first robust, first fully competent articulation of Apollo fraudulence, replete with names of men/perps/Apollo Program Treasonous Criminals, and why those names in particular, method details, motive details. An historic first, epic with respect to the story of Apollo, with respect to the elucidation of Apollo's fraudulent "science", and that is "science" with a very very tiny itzsy bitszy almost nubby like microscopic nothing of an "s" .

Need I go on? Everything substantive of mine as above, and a truck load more to be discovered, it stands and it all stands well.....not nailed there....Matter-0-fact, I done already crucified these perps, every last one of them so named, already named, flat out crucified.....

This rocket ship done blowed up.....

 

[SpitfireIX]

Y'know, I grew up in the Chicago area, and my brother lives on North Lake Shore Drive. I never get to see him enough. If Patrick had the courage to show up at World Con, the opportunity to watch the show might be a good excuse to take a few vacation days...

Some friends and I are planning to go, primarily to see George R.R. Martin. But of course I'll be listening to Sy Liebergot also. I hope Patrick shows up, but I won't hold my breath.

 

[Patrick1000]

If it is a debate forum, of course I am totally pumped and stoked for it. ....

Correct; I never used the word "debate."

I am not proposing a continuation of this same circus where you bluster and then scurry back into hiding. I'm asking you whether you are willing to stand tall before the people you've accused.

Clearly you are not.

Stop trying to change the rules. Stop trying to propose something different. Put up or shut up.

If it is a debate forum, of course I am totally pumped and stoked for it. ..What else could you possibly have in mind?

 

[Patrick1000]

Samuel Phillips don't think it be a straw man argument, not does Commander Borman

I think you mean 'cite'.

Among others, how about post #7276? It doesn't say anything that hadn't already been said elsewhere, but it makes it plain that your point is a strawman argument.

Nobody claims vaccines are 100% effective. NASA does not claim vaccines are 100% effective. Berry does not claim vaccines are 100% effective. Only you claim he did, but you are wrong.

So your point is crushed by its own irrelevance.

Samuel Phillips don't think it be a straw man argument, irrelevant. He wrote a big gnarly National Geographic article May 1969 EMPHASIZING THE "strawman" nor does Commander Borman think it be no "strawman", irrelevant, you know, Commander Borman who told a big fat cislunar lie about taking secanol in outer space to squirm outta' his INFLUENZA predicament, the same Commander Borman dude I done locked into a CM simulator with Linda Blair just for yuks...........

 

[Garrison]

After the woman walks in front of the camera, just before the punch, once she is just past, we may now be seeing a green screened Sibrel substituted via editing. The purpose of the distracting woman is to cover for the green screen Sibrel replacement. VERY VERY VERY POSSIBLE.......

Sibrel steps in front of Aldrin. The woman passes. Now the edit features a green screened Sibrel that reacts to the punch. They do not even need to practice the fake hitting thing in that case.

Note, it is not March 17. Sibrel ain't got nothing green on.

This rocket done blowed up........

Both ludicrous nonsense and irrelevant, clearly yet again an attempt to sidetrack the discussion. Why don't you focus on the real issues; addressing your many errors and providing your contact details to JayUtah?

 

[JayUtah]

Not infrequently one hears Apollo photo critics make the suggestion...

And smack in the middle of Apollo 13 and Apollo 1 technical debates, Patrick radically changes subjects again.

Apparently we're not going to be talking anymore about the Cortright report that Patrick obviously didn't read, since he can't materially discuss what it contains or does not contain, didn't realize it really does describe the the experiments he said were never performed, and can't pony up to the status this work has in the relevant industries.

Apparently we're not going to continue our discussion about how the chemstry of combustion works, since his attempts to get others to do his homework have failed and his vague handwaving references to "high school chemistry" didn't impress anyone.

And apparently we're not going to see Patrick defend his claims in person with the people he's libeled.

No -- it looks like Patrick has found a new word, "chromakey," that's going to be his new whipping boy until he gets cornered on that topic and decides to change subjects. That's right, don't expect any closure on this new topic either. He'll backpedal and bluster as usual.

Never mind that Patrick previously said he "didn't do photos," which means he's woefully behind the curve on this topic too and needs to pretend he isn't playing catch-up as he asserts his dominance of knowledge and expertise. Never mind that I have photo analysis training from the Univ. of Michigan as part of their forensic engineering program, that my analysis has been referenced in Science (the foremost peer-reviewed scientific journal in the English language), and that I've been consulted on the subject on camera by National Geographic, Mythbusters, and others. I'm sure Patrick will favor us very shortly with claims of infallibility on this subject as well.

And he doesn't stop with Apollo photos and videos too. Nope, now even his fellow conspiracy theorists aren't safe: apparently Patrick has stone-hard proof that Bart Sibrel's famous punch-heard-round-the-Moon video is a cheap forgery too. Apparently in the 24 hours since his Cortright Report gaffe was broadcast to the world, Patrick has now become a world-class photo analyst, where previously he said he didn't have any expertise.

Of course I can put Patrick in contact with Bart Sibrel. Obviously I don't talk to him regularly, but I have his contact information and I have put people in touch with him before. Here's the hitch: Bart's appearance fee, last I checked, was $2,500, so if Patrick wants the pleasure of telling Bart to his face that he faked the Aldrin punch video, it's going to cost him. But somehow I think a guy who brags about his hand-made bicycle can afford to pay Bart.

As for fill lighting in the Apollo photos -- been there done that. National Geographic, one of the most recognizable forces today in photography, seems to consider me enough of an expert on the subject to ask me to demonstrate features of Apollo photography on camera under their illustrious name. And to be sure, we asked all the Moon hoax photo "experts" to come along too and show how their theories would still work. Naturally none of them rose to the occasion. Just like our illustrious doctor, not-doctor, bicycle champion, sextant expert, radar programmer, snowflake and bike engineer Patrick, these guys cower in the shadows (pun intended) and won't display their "expertise" without a safety net.

So obviously we won't be seeing Patrick being held accountable to Sy Liebergot, Gene Kranz, Jim Lovell, my engineer friends at NASA/Ames (where much of the Cortright report experiments were carried out), and my flight surgeon associates at Moffett. He won't agree to be in the same room as they without face-saving assurances.

So moving on to cinematography, what resources can we bring to bear? Well, again there's me. I'm a recognized expert on the lighting in Apollo photos. Patrick the Anonymous can try to contend with me, but he will typically just quote my entire post and then change the subject. No help there.

Keep in mind that the university where I taught has classrooms named after half the pioneers of the computer animation squads at Disney and Pixar -- why? because they all went to school with me here. I have contacts at Digital Domain, where I consulted the visual effects for the Apollo 13 movie (they needed to know which RCS quads would credibly fire). I'm sure Charlie Ziarko wouldn't mind talking about filmmaking, since he helps out with my site from time to time. He's long retired, but he still loves talking the biz. I did mention my association with Tony Frewin, who was Stanley Kubrick's assistant during the making of 2001 and some of his other visual-effect films. I still hang out with John Flynn, who is a video producer working in Hollywood. His DP Sasha Rendulic is fun to work with and can shed some light (pun again intended) on compositing techniques both then and now.

Between me and my Rolodex I'm sure we can find plenty of real-life people to hold Patrick's feet to the fire. Will Patrick agree to meet in person with these people? Time will tell, but you know where my bet is. I'm sure he'll make the same lame counterproposal -- that anyone is free to come perform in his little circus where he risks nothing, yet claims ultimate eminence.

 

[Jack by the hedge]

We may now add chromakey, video artefacts and the degrading effects of multiple generations and goodness-knows-what standards conversions on YouTube videos to the topics Patrick knows nothing about.

He thinks Chromakey is imperceptible. Has he never seen a movie that used it? He thinks the lousy quality and messed-up lip synch of some zero-provenance YouTube videos is the result of deliberate manipulation.

 

[JayUtah]

If it is a debate forum, of course I am totally pumped and stoked for it. ..What else could you possibly have in mind?

Please don't attempt to play dumb. I've specified my offer countless times for you.

Put up or shut up.

 

[SUSpilot]

And smack in the middle of Apollo 13 and Apollo 1 technical debates, Patrick radically changes subjects again.

Apparently we're not going to be talking anymore about the Cortright report that Patrick obviously didn't read, since he can't materially discuss what it contains or does not contain, didn't realize it really does describe the the experiments he said were never performed, and can't pony up to the status this work has in the relevant industries.

Apparently we're not going to continue our discussion about how the chemstry of combustion works, since his attempts to get others to do his homework have failed and his vague handwaving references to "high school chemistry" didn't impress anyone.

And apparently we're not going to see Patrick defend his claims in person with the people he's libeled.

No -- it looks like Patrick has found a new word, "chromakey," that's going to be his new whipping boy until he gets cornered on that topic and decides to change subjects. That's right, don't expect any closure on this new topic either. He'll backpedal and bluster as usual.

Never mind that Patrick previously said he "didn't do photos," which means he's woefully behind the curve on this topic too and needs to pretend he isn't playing catch-up as he asserts his dominance of knowledge and expertise. Never mind that I have photo analysis training from the Univ. of Michigan as part of their forensic engineering program, that my analysis has been referenced in Science (the foremost peer-reviewed scientific journal in the English language), and that I've been consulted on the subject on camera by National Geographic, Mythbusters, and others. I'm sure Patrick will favor us very shortly with claims of infallibility on this subject as well.

And he doesn't stop with Apollo photos and videos too. Nope, now even his fellow conspiracy theorists aren't safe: apparently Patrick has stone-hard proof that Bart Sibrel's famous punch-heard-round-the-Moon video is a cheap forgery too. Apparently in the 24 hours since his Cortright Report gaffe was broadcast to the world, Patrick has now become a world-class photo analyst, where previously he said he didn't have any expertise.

Of course I can put Patrick in contact with Bart Sibrel. Obviously I don't talk to him regularly, but I have his contact information and I have put people in touch with him before. Here's the hitch: Bart's appearance fee, last I checked, was $2,500, so if Patrick wants the pleasure of telling Bart to his face that he faked the Aldrin punch video, it's going to cost him. But somehow I think a guy who brags about his hand-made bicycle can afford to pay Bart.

As for fill lighting in the Apollo photos -- been there done that. National Geographic, one of the most recognizable forces today in photography, seems to consider me enough of an expert on the subject to ask me to demonstrate features of Apollo photography on camera under their illustrious name. And to be sure, we asked all the Moon hoax photo "experts" to come along too and show how their theories would still work. Naturally none of them rose to the occasion. Just like our illustrious doctor, not-doctor, bicycle champion, sextant expert, radar programmer, snowflake and bike engineer Patrick, these guys cower in the shadows (pun intended) and won't display their "expertise" without a safety net.

So obviously we won't be seeing Patrick being held accountable to Sy Liebergot, Gene Kranz, Jim Lovell, my engineer friends at NASA/Ames (where much of the Cortright report experiments were carried out), and my flight surgeon associates at Moffett. He won't agree to be in the same room as they without face-saving assurances.

So moving on to cinematography, what resources can we bring to bear? Well, again there's me. I'm a recognized expert on the lighting in Apollo photos. Patrick the Anonymous can try to contend with me, but he will typically just quote my entire post and then change the subject. No help there.

Keep in mind that the university where I taught has classrooms named after half the pioneers of the computer animation squads at Disney and Pixar -- why? because they all went to school with me here. I have contacts at Digital Domain, where I consulted the visual effects for the Apollo 13 movie (they needed to know which RCS quads would credibly fire). I'm sure Charlie Ziarko wouldn't mind talking about filmmaking, since he helps out with my site from time to time. He's long retired, but he still loves talking the biz. I did mention my association with Tony Frewin, who was Stanley Kubrick's assistant during the making of 2001 and some of his other visual-effect films. I still hang out with John Flynn, who is a video producer working in Hollywood. His DP Sasha Rendulic is fun to work with and can shed some light (pun again intended) on compositing techniques both then and now.

Between me and my Rolodex I'm sure we can find plenty of real-life people to hold Patrick's feet to the fire. Will Patrick agree to meet in person with these people? Time will tell, but you know where my bet is. I'm sure he'll make the same lame counterproposal -- that anyone is free to come perform in his little circus where he risks nothing, yet claims ultimate eminence.

Plus he has another problem. There are people like me that are movie fans on both the technical, artistic, and entertainment levels. I've also been a very serious amatuer photographer. I know when someone knows what they're talking about. Clearly, Patrick, you're so far in over your head, you don't even recognize you're drowning.

Now, to loosely paraphrase Henry Fonda to Jack Lemmon: Patrick, when you produce the PTFE calculations, right or wrong, when you walk up in person to the people you accuse of being fraudsters and say "Yes, I'm the person that accused you of perpetrating one of the greatest frauds of all time", that's when I'll respect you.

 

[Tomblvd]

Not nailed on INFLUENZA

What about "INFLUENZA"? You keep bringing this up as if it means something. Borman didn't have it so there is nothing to discuss as far as "INFLUENZA" goes, other than the number of mistakes you made that a medical doctor would never had made. Such as the implication that the flu vaccine somehow guarantees you won't get it.

We've all seen your post Patrick, you will not wiggle out of it.

 

[realpaladin]

Not sure about tracks, have not studied that. However, in a general sense, i believe the Americans landed hardware on the moon for military purposes during the Apollo missions. So if you look, you will find stuff, a LM say.

Check the hi-res maps yourself, it all matches to the decimeter with the whole story of the first landing.

So, what about that then?

 

[tsig]

I am a physician that dealsL with INFUENZA and INFLUENZA related problems daily.....I have plenty of competence in this, not ot mention MANY other medical fields. My view THAT IT IS MOST DECIDEDLY NOT THE CASE, with regard to the claim of the Apollo program fraud perpetrating principals that INFLUENZA vaccines were/are 100% efficacius/effective would be validated by ANY qualified infectious disease specialist you happened to query on the subject. And as such a validation would be not only an endorsement, but moreover a full on confirmation of Apollo fraudulence, you are sorry to say, wrong as wrong can be, and I'd invite you to spend your weekend trying to find a single infectious disease doc that would disagree with me, and so in turn disagree with my point as regards Apollo fraudulence. The program was a military scam. We done got our rumps fleeced PetersCreek. Ask your doc friends, take a week, a month, a year, a decade, try and prove me wrong. You cannot. Apollo is fraudulent, plain and simple, clearly so, as clear as a patch of transparently DARK cislunar sky.

With respect to the Cortright Report, it is no exaggeration that only high school chemistry is needed to prove ALL OF APOLLO INSANELY FAKE AND CERTIFIABLY SO. I invite you to provide our group here with the relevant publicly available scientific articles documenting the experiments the Cortright Commission Investigators performed which substantiate their claims about the possible role of aluminum. You cannot, they do not exist.

You may take the whole weekend to respond, or the next ten years, take all the time you like if you so choose to waste your life in support of these cheating frauds that stole our parents money then and ours today. You shall never find documentation of these experiments. They were never done. And so it not only seems , but is indeed an incontrovertible FACT, that only high school chemistry is needed to prove the Cortright Committee Investigators FRAUDS, and ALL OF APOLLO JIVE INFESTED CERTIFIED UNQUESTIONABLY FULL ON BOGUS.

I vote we pull the plug on their pensions, all of 'em , every last rat.

This spaceship done blowed up........

Is that your professional opinion?

 

[Patrick1000]

The point is not whether he had it, the point has to do with what the docs said about

What about "INFLUENZA"? You keep bringing this up as if it means something. Borman didn't have it so there is nothing to discuss as far as "INFLUENZA" goes, other than the number of mistakes you made that a medical doctor would never had made. Such as the implication that the flu vaccine somehow guarantees you won't get it.

We've all seen your post Patrick, you will not wiggle out of it.

The point is not whether Borman had it, of course he didn't. The point has to do with what the docs said about it. See it doesn't matter, except that we caught the docs, and Phillips the arch perpetrator, and the others in a gnarly lie. It could have been a lie about Lucille Ball for all I care, providing Lucille had Apollo relevance.

So I really don't care if Borman did or did not have INFLUENZA per se, that is not the point, INFLUENZA in and of itself. What is relevant is the way the docs spoke about it, INFLUENZA, like ignoramuses. So one knows Apollo is fake because of that. The docs don't speak of their charges as they should, busted..... game, set, match, this rocket ship done tipped over and blowed up........

 

[abaddon]

Not nailed on INFLUENZA,

Irrelevant to the matter at hand. No-one had it

nor LOST BIRD....,

No, you were nailed on that one, starting with your degree/radian debacle, and declining from there.

nor the bogus Borman Look/Life article point dealing with Borman's taking seconal a second time INTENTIONALLY to actually TRY to make himself vomit and poop on his friends in pretend space,

No, you got owned there too.

nor the point about the bogus Cortright report and their claims about aluminum, not to their Teflon claims(no experiments to back their claims, substantiate them).

Appendix F awaits your attention, Patrick.

not my new point about Sibrel being in bed with you guys,

If that's the case, why any need for a green screen? Why not just stage it?

not the part about the DoD map makers INTENTIONALLY labeling the landing ellipse with the Press Kit coordinates/inaccurately labeling the maps/purposely mislabeling the maps.....

That was the one where you demonstrated your ignorance of cartography.

Oh my, I must say, with regard to the big issues, especially the latest one, the Bart Sibrel revelation, I am indeed doing ever so well....Not so very nailed, matter-0-fact, with regard to the important stuff, not nailed attal'. In fact, I bust astronaut chops left right and center daily, not to mention busting Aaron's chops and the chops of supporting cast members as well when the whim strikes, like I bust cretin with a small "c" Kranz's chops and so forth when I feel like picking on him cuz' he made the mistake of trying to dupe me. Gene should not have done that Erock cuz' now he pays the ultimate price of abject embarrassment, courtesy of
DoctorPat, ya' see.........?.....

A couple of points:
1. You have yet to provide any evidence for your Bart Sibrel notion, but I am sure Bart would be livid.
2. The only 'chops' being busted are yours.
3. Spelling like a teen does not help your argument.
Finally, I find your repeated use of the term "matter-zero-fact" most amusing as it aptly describes your posts - zero fact.

As stated explicitly several times before, mine is the first robust, first fully competent articulation of Apollo fraudulence, replete with names of men/perps/Apollo Program Treasonous Criminals, and why those names in particular, method details, motive details. An historic first, epic with respect to the story of Apollo, with respect to the elucidation of Apollo's fraudulent "science", and that is "science" with a very very tiny itzsy bitszy almost nubby like microscopic nothing of an "s" .

Duning Kruger. Look it up.

Need I go on?

No, address your mistakes, which have been pointed out repeatedly.

Everything substantive of mine as above, and a truck load more to be discovered, it stands and it all stands well.....not nailed there....Matter-0-fact, I done already crucified these perps, every last one of them so named, already named, flat out crucified.....

But you have nothing substantive. "zero fact" again I see. How apt.

This rocket ship done blowed up.....

That's just puerile.

 

[Garrison]

We may now add chromakey, video artefacts and the degrading effects of multiple generations and goodness-knows-what standards conversions on YouTube videos to the topics Patrick knows nothing about.

He thinks Chromakey is imperceptible. Has he never seen a movie that used it? He thinks the lousy quality and messed-up lip synch of some zero-provenance YouTube videos is the result of deliberate manipulation.

And I do wonder why Patrick1000 feels the need to invoke these overly elaborate schemes for everything? His lack of technical skills means he's bound to get torn apart. If he had just claimed the incident was stage managed it would still be nonsense but fewer landmines for him to step on.

 

[Erock]

Not nailed on INFLUENZA

The flu? Who had the flu? You mean Apollo 8 manufactured Borman with the squirts and vomit to make it plausible and you remote diagnosed that it could be flu, without being privvy to the consult? Then you deduce, it must be fake because they didn't fool the nondoc?

nor LOST BIRD....,

Yeah, we're done with that, you just can't admit it.

You contend that they deliberately faked Apollo long to hide it's position from Luna 15, that it was remote landed as a military operation, and that they screwed up the coordinates because they needed to keep it a sekrit, from...............................................


THE GENERAL PUBLIC??????? Really? Because Russia could just pop over to LICK and ask them, or wait for the mission report, AS COULD THE PUBLIC!!!!!!!!!!

So explain why they tried to 'deliberately' hide Apollo 11 again? Because you are done busted.

(sorry for the pattdashesq grammar - may get through better.)

nor the bogus Borman Look/Life article point dealing with Borman's taking seconal a second time INTENTIONALLY to actually TRY to make himself vomit and poop on his friends in pretend space

Forewarned is forearmed. With the knowledge it could make him sick again, there is nothing to prevent him from having the necessary collection items to hand. Again, the idea that a nondoc would look at this without any remote diagnostics and venture an opinion and then further claim that he must be right - ridiculous.

, nor the point about the bogus Cortright report and their claims about aluminum, not to their Teflon claims(no experiments to back their claims, substantiate them).

Oh get real! You are either deliberately trolling or just avoiding the responses. Probably both. You've been given the reports with the experiments and still you sit there firing your ignorant conclusions out.

not my new point about Sibrel being in bed with you guys,

I'll go out on a limb here. That is THE stupidest thing you've contended. Not even remotely feasible and quite stunning since Sibrel is quoted by 99% of hoax believers as the bible.

not the part about the DoD map makers INTENTIONALLY labeling the landing ellipse with the Press Kit coordinates/inaccurately labeling the maps/purposely mislabeling the maps.....

No they didn't, it has a different datum and I suspect the Apollo 11 AGC program was set for that. Jay may be able to confirm this (maybe already has). You know less than nothing about maps, after your laughable Julian malarkey and the dopey I and O contention

Oh my, I must say, with regard to the big issues, especially the latest one, the Bart Sibrel revelation, I am indeed doing ever so well....

I cannot adequately put into words quite how infantile that statement is, together with the patently absurd premise it makes and the language used it is really quite pathetic.

Gene should not have done that Erock cuz' now he pays the ultimate price of abject embarrassment, courtesy of
DoctorPat, ya' see.........?.....

I see something, and politeness and moderation forbids me from saying it.

Need I go on?

I suspect that the real 'need' is for attention, since you have no scientific methodology, don't appear to read what other people write, and post repetitious walls of text.

Put up or shut up.