Vaccine/autism CT discussion

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In his defense, he has quite a professional opinion to share...

Robert Prey said:
My professional BS detector says "baloney." Those who are cited as supposedly dying from the common cold undoubtedly have died from ensuing complications, or from hospital induced infections. And I do have a PhD in common sense. Self proclaimed and bestowed.
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cwalner said:
Hate to burst your bubble there Robert, but if actually had the common sense that you think you do, you would have known better than to have claimed a professional opinion on a medical matter without being a doctor on a skeptics forum.
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Baloney. Anyone can have a professional Medical Opinion. M.D.s, non M.Ds, DMO,s Chiropractors, Nurses, researchers, scholars, citizens, librarians, even nitwits who call themselves "Deep Thinkers". If you need an MD to tell you to go take poison for a cure, then, that's your choice. I prefer to uses common sense.
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Clayton Moore said:
Wrong thread.
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Not wrong thread, wrong poster. Unless this is an admission that you are RP?

Can you get *nothing* right?

Still waiting for your acknowledgement that your post regarding GWS was not borne out by more recent research, and that your complaint about contamination doesn't support your failed attempt to blame the vaccine for those symptoms that were seen, and so the entire post was an attempt to distract from your equally obvious impotence regarding factual support of your OP.
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Bump for CM, since zie's chosen to start whining about coincidence.
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Walter Ego said:
We've also learned the masked man is old enough to be a grandfather.



I had him pegged at 17 or 18 at the oldest and thought there might be hope for him when he "grows up." I guess not, though. :(
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Via Google Translate:

"Inconclusive effect of mass vaccination

In Sweden, the vaccine was 60 percent of the population against swine flu 2009th When the flu subsided after the fact was 0.31 deaths per 100 000 people, according to the EU's disease control agency ECDC.

In Germany alone vaccinated eight percent of the residents was the death rate the same. And Poland is not vaccinated at all, had a mortality rate of 0.47, writes Swedish newspaper Svenska Dagbladet." -- http://translate.google.com/transla...ige/tveksam-effekt-av-massvaccinering&act=url
 
What point are you trying to make?

That a country who administered vaccines to a vulnerable portion of society had as few deaths as a country with a different sized vulnerable portion?


Both countries vaccinated those who needed it. Both had fewer deaths than expected.

Sounds like a rousing success to me.
 
Tomtomkent said:
What point are you trying to make?

That a country who administered vaccines to a vulnerable portion of society had as few deaths as a country with a different sized vulnerable portion?


Both countries vaccinated those who needed it. Both had fewer deaths than expected.

Sounds like a rousing success to me.
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60% of the population vaccinated in one country had the same effect as 8% of the population vaccinated in another country.
 
Anders Lindman said:
60% of the population vaccinated in one country had the same effect as 8% of the population vaccinated in another country.
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Yes, both countries vaccinated those at risk and minimised a death toll.

Again, what point are you making? That differing populations required different levels of vaccination to manage differing risks?


Do you even have a point? Or do you just not understand what the statistics you quoted are saying?
 
CBS This Morning. Autism

Autism Stats. 1 of 88 children. 1 of 54 boys.

Increase 50% due to better diagnosis. 50% unknown.

What a sadistic attack on children by the medical community.

They can't freaking figure out what all these autistic children, worldwide, have in common.

They are pure scum.
 
What do those kids have in common?

You assume vaccination, but offer no data to support this.

Why not shoes? McDonalds? X-box games? Mobile phones? Air polutants? Pop tarts? Plastics? Or any of the thousands of other possibilities?

You call others scum because you assume they are doing what your post does: abusing the medical evidence for a personal agenda.
 
Steven Novella has a relevant article on the front page of the JREF Swift Blog this morning. Read the whole thing, but he pretty much demolishes the vaccine-related nonsense:

Several studies have shown that when the same methods are used to compare different cohorts of children born at different times, the autism prevalence is the same. Further, the prevalence of autism in different age groups (when the same surveillance and diagnostic methods are used) appears to be the same. If the true incidence of autism were increasing then younger age groups would have a higher prevalence.

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Of course there are some groups that are invested in the notion that autism is truly increasing and represents an epidemic. Most notable is the anti-vaccine movement, who over the last decade have been blaming the increase in autism on vaccines. Initially they blamed autism on the MMR vaccine, but the scientific data did not support that claim, and the credibility of the originator of this fear, Andrew Wakefield, has since crashed and burned.

After the MMR hypothesis failed they next turned to mercury in the form of thimerosal in some vaccines. They confused correlation with causation by arguing that autism rates were increasing as the vaccine schedule also increased. By the end of 2002, however, thimerosal was removed from the routine vaccine schedule in the US, and therefore the amount of exposure to thimerosal plummeted. Advocates of the thimerosal hypothesis (such as David Kirby) predicted that autism rates would also plummet.

They were correct in that, if thimerosal were a significant contributor to autism then the rates should drop considerably once thimerosal was largely removed from childhood vaccines (it was still present in some flu vaccines). Since 2002, however, autism diagnosis rates have continued to increase at the same rate. We are now 10 years later, and there is simply no justification for clinging to the thimerosal hypothesis any further (of course this hasn't stopped antivaccinationists).

Ironically the antivaxers are now using the continued increase in autism diagnosis to argue that vaccines cause autism, even though that increase contradicts their prior predictions.
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Clayton Moore said:
CBS This Morning. Autism

Autism Stats. 1 of 88 children. 1 of 54 boys.

Increase 50% due to better diagnosis. 50% unknown.

What a sadistic attack on children by the medical community.

They can't freaking figure out what all these autistic children, worldwide, have in common.

They are pure scum.
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They all drink water, right? Why is that less likely of a cause than vaccines?

I think the medical community doesn't consider vaccines as the root of the cause of autism because they have ALREADY done studies, many, many studies that showed no correlation between vaccines and autism.

Of course, the medical communities did not ask a Playboy centerfold for her opinion, how could they be so blind?
 
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