Derren Brown's screaming stooges

Okay, let me see if I've got this right now.

You take a group of people and build up a spooky setting, turn off all the lights, and surprise them with loud crash of breaking glass and because they jump and scream, they must be plants in on the act because real people wouldn't do that?
 
Sledge said:
What's your POINT, silver birch? You seem to be trying to point out that Derren Brown uses tricks to achieve his results. We know this. In the very unlikely event you correctly figure out how he achieved some result, no one is going to say "My god, the man's a fraud! We had no idea!" but "Oh, so THAT'S how he did it. Cool."
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the point is on this page, we both agree DB uses tricks,
Lamuella believes it is ideomotor, how many more people believe that?
the same applies to his hypnotism
 
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silver birch said:
Lamuella believes it is ideomotor, how many more people believe that?
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You have to be clearer when you say "it is ideomotor." What exactly are you referring to as "it"?

By the way, did you already look up ideomotor effect? Do you now accept that it is a real phenomenon?
 
silver birch said:
the part where a girl who has never been a medium before, is chosen to be one, they are holding hands in the dark, after DB puts the candles out, waiting for this spirit to come through, the glass falls over and they all scream.
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You're talking about the seance programme he did, right? The one where he explicitly says that everything he's doing is a magic trick in order to show that mediums are frauds and ends the programme by introducing the participants to the young actress who modelled for the photograph of the long-dead "spirit" they ended up contacting? Your criticism of this programme is that you've figured out that it used magic tricks?

Firstly, was your first clue that it used magic tricks the bit where Brown explicitly said that it used magic tricks? Secondly, why do you think that this is a criticism of the programme, given that it was the entire point of the programme?
 
silver birch said:
the point is on this page, we both agree DB uses tricks,
Lamuella believes it is ideomotor, how many more people believe that?
the same applies to his hypnotism
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I believe the ideomotor effect is a real thing. I don't remember saying it had anything to do with this trick.
 
Stray Cat said:
And by extension, if someone watches a magician, they would expect to see a magic trick and not some silly hypnotist clap trap.


Ah, now I see, you're a hypnotist (or hynotherapist even) and you're taking offense at Derren bringing your clap trap nonsense into disrepute?
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Nothing makes a con man madder that another one stealing his con.
 
Squeegee Beckenheim said:
You're talking about the seance programme he did, right? The one where he explicitly says that everything he's doing is a magic trick in order to show that mediums are frauds and ends the programme by introducing the participants to the young actress who modelled for the photograph of the long-dead "spirit" they ended up contacting? Your criticism of this programme is that you've figured out that it used magic tricks?

Firstly, was your first clue that it used magic tricks the bit where Brown explicitly said that it used magic tricks? Secondly, why do you think that this is a criticism of the programme, given that it was the entire point of the programme?
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DB did not say everything was a magic trick. he said the glass fell over due to ideomotor, I suggest you listen to what he says. If he is correct why does he not do so under controlled conditions and claim the James Randi prize?
I'm saying it was a magic trick. And like all magic tricks there is an explanation, for example when the girl is sawn in half its not her legs sticking out of the box.
 
Lamuella said:
I believe the ideomotor effect is a real thing. I don't remember saying it had anything to do with this trick.
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DB said the glass fell over due to ideomotor, you believe ideomotor is a genuine paranormal phenomenom. this qualfies DB for the James Randi prize, I suggest he claims it immediately.
(how much is it now, by the way?)
 
OK, here's what I'm seeing (it's at about 41 minutes into the video)

a group of people are led into a situation specifically designed to scare them. They are told that a spirit of the dead will speak through them. All the lights are switched out, and they are told that a spirit of the dead will now try to move a cup. The cup is then violently knocked over and people are scared.

Which part of this requires stooges, exactly?
 
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silver birch said:
DB said the glass fell over due to ideomotor, you believe ideomotor is a genuine paranormal phenomenom. this qualfies DB for the James Randi prize, I suggest he claims it immediately.
(how much is it now, by the way?)
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I don't believe the ideomotor effect is a genuine paranormal phenomenon. It's not paranormal at all.

\By the way, when does Derren Brown say the cup falling over is due to ideomotor effect?
 
silver birch said:
DB did not say everything was a magic trick.
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He did in the programme devoted to a seance. If that's not the programme you're talking about, then perhaps you should true being clearer when posting? Post in full sentences and paragraphs, actually explaining what you're talking about, rather than short incoherent bursts which require the readers to guess what you're trying to communicate.

he said the glass fell over due to ideomotor, I suggest you listen to what he says. If he is correct why does he not do so under controlled conditions and claim the James Randi prize?
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Why would demonstrating a well-known psychological effect net Brown the JREF $1m? I think you're extremely confused about what the ideomotor effect is.

I'm saying it was a magic trick. And like all magic tricks there is an explanation, for example when the girl is sawn in half its not her legs sticking out of the box.
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Yes. So we're back, yet again, to you being upset that a stage magician performing stage magic acts like a stage magician. You still haven't explained why this bothers you.
 
silver birch said:
DB said the glass fell over due to ideomotor, you believe ideomotor is a genuine paranormal phenomenom
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Nobody thinks the ideomotor effect is paranormal, any more than they think that tickling someone is paranormal. Furthermore, Derren Brown doesn't claim to have paranormal powers. That's David Blaine you're thinking of. Or possibly Criss Angel. Why not have a rant about them?

Have you considered doing some research into the subject before going off the deep end about it?
 
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From memory, I briefly skipped through the show on YouTube, Derren mentions ideomotor effect when the students are moving the glass around the Ouija board. But the ball/glass falling over and scaring them is a different part of the show.
 
silver birch said:
DB did not say everything was a magic trick. he said the glass fell over due to ideomotor, I suggest you listen to what he says. If he is correct why does he not do so under controlled conditions and claim the James Randi prize?
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What do you think the ideomotor effect is?
 
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