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Obama's State of the Union Address

If reforms can be made that will reign in the long term costs and strenthen social security what are we waiting for. They should be done regardless of whether or not someone is willing to change the tax code so people pay their fair share.
Politics is the art of compromise. The principles of many on the left dictate that it isn't about fairness so much as it is about pragmatism. "Fair share" is populist propaganda. The reality is that there is reasoned argument to support the idea that solving the problem with cuts alone will seriously harm economic growth and place all the burden on those who can afford that burden the least. Compromise is crucial to this process.
 
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Politics is the art of compromise. The principles of many on the left dictate that it isn't about fairness so much as it is about pragmatism. "Fair share" is populist propaganda. The reality is that there is reasoned argument to support the idea that solving the problem with cuts alone will seriously harm economic growth and place all the burden on those who can afford that burden the least. Compromise is crucial to this process.

I guess it was more because of the flowery language in the speech. President Obama speaks of reforms and strenthening, not of give backs or cuts that people on the left would not want. These sound like the kinds of things everyone should be for and you should not care if you think someone else is being unreasonable.

What kinds of reform do you think is being spoken of. I suspect it is not things that will hurt those who can least afford it. The reforms I hear discussed are means testing and age requirements.

Any comments on his jobs to people who are not citizens statement?

ETA: I believe in compromise and I do believe the GOP is hurting their election chances by not giving some on taxes. But the 30% minimum tax is too high for CG in my opinion
 
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I guess it was more because of the flowery language in the speech. President Obama speaks of reforms and strenthening, not of give backs or cuts that people on the left would not want. These sound like the kinds of things everyone should be for and you should not care if you think someone else is being unreasonable.

What kinds of reform do you think is being spoken of. I suspect it is not things that will hurt those who can least afford it. The reforms I hear discussed are means testing and age requirements.

Any comments on his jobs to people who are not citizens statement?

ETA: I believe in compromise and I do believe the GOP is hurting their election chances by not giving some on taxes. But the 30% minimum tax is too high for CG in my opinion
I have very conflicting thoughts on illegal immigration. It's a dilemma for me with conflicting pragmatic and moral implications. So I don't know. I'm with you that we should provide some investment incentives in the form of lower CG rates. BTW, I loaded the data you provided into a spread sheet for analysis and I think there might be something there. I think what is most important is to address carried interest for managers and others.
 
He hasn't changed. His two slogans are eliminate the fed and the government shouldn't restrict anything. Those are unrealistic fantasies and when Paul gets called on the real world outcome of such policies he ignores the question and repeats the slogan.

His answer to his anti-choice position: when he was a doctor he never had any women who needed an abortion to save their lives.
His answer to, "What do you do about people who can't afford health care?" In his day charities would cover the care.
And what about abolishing the Civil Rights Bill? Discrimination is just not a concern of the government.

The majority of economists dismiss his 'get rid of the fed' as completely unrealistic.


That's one the reasons why I like him for president. His stance on these issues is non-actionable. He can't repeal Roe vs Wade and he can't dismantle the healthcare system.

Here is his reasoning behind opposing the civil rights bill:

[It] not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.​

I don't always agree with his policies. I don't think he should interfere with abortion, I think he is stupid for suggesting that creationism could be taught in schools (not sure if that's exactly what he said, but close enough). I also don't think he is right about gold as a standard. Austrian Economics is outdated.

But when you think about the alternatives... Obama has had the same war policy as Bush, even extended it. He voted for the Patriot Act, and kept it. Signed a new NDAA; opposes gay marriage; making healthcare mandatory is retarded. He undid NASA. Helped GM and supported bailouts for the finance industry. Spent way too much money and raised the debt ceiling. His actions on healthcare have resulted in the increase in private healthcare costs.

And in the State of the Union speech he pandered to the xenophobic and jingoistic right by implying that other nations must fail for us to "win". I know he doesn't mean it, but I don't want more of his policies, and I don't want more of Bush's policies (which are roughly equivalent).
 
I am a Conservative on fiscal issues and believe we need to cut government spending and size. I think the bigger the government the more restrictions we have. Also it has been prven spending doesnt get you out of the hole, look at Hoover.

I implore you for the sake of economy:
http://delong.typepad.com/sdj/2012/...orse-than-it-did-in-the-great-depression.html
the Cameron-Osborne policies of expansion-through-austerity have produced a flatline for real GDP, and the odds are high that British real GDP is headed down again.

In less than a year, if current forecasts come true, the Cameron-Osborne Depression will not be the worst depression in Britain since the Great Depression, but the worst depression in Britain… probably ever.

These are the policies the GOP is pursuing.
 
I am a Conservative on fiscal issues and believe we need to cut government spending and size. I think the bigger the government the more restrictions we have. Also it has been prven spending doesnt get you out of the hole, look at Hoover.

Exactly. Every time Bush or Obama sign a new law, it restricts your freedom in one way or another. Sometimes it's a good thing. It seems most of the time it's not.

In my opinion, as long as you are not hurting anyone you should be free to do what you want within reason.
 
That's one the reasons why I like him for president. His stance on these issues is non-actionable. He can't repeal Roe vs Wade and he can't dismantle the healthcare system.

Here is his reasoning behind opposing the civil rights bill:

[It] not only violated the Constitution and reduced individual liberty; it also failed to achieve its stated goals of promoting racial harmony and a color-blind society. Federal bureaucrats and judges cannot read minds to see if actions are motivated by racism. Therefore, the only way the federal government could ensure an employer was not violating the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was to ensure that the racial composition of a business's workforce matched the racial composition of a bureaucrat or judge's defined body of potential employees. Thus, bureaucrats began forcing employers to hire by racial quota. Racial quotas have not contributed to racial harmony or advanced the goal of a color-blind society. Instead, these quotas encouraged racial balkanization, and fostered racial strife.​

I don't always agree with his policies. I don't think he should interfere with abortion, I think he is stupid for suggesting that creationism could be taught in schools (not sure if that's exactly what he said, but close enough). I also don't think he is right about gold as a standard. Austrian Economics is outdated.

But when you think about the alternatives... Obama has had the same war policy as Bush, even extended it. He voted for the Patriot Act, and kept it. Signed a new NDAA; opposes gay marriage; making healthcare mandatory is retarded. He undid NASA. Helped GM and supported bailouts for the finance industry. Spent way too much money and raised the debt ceiling. His actions on healthcare have resulted in the increase in private healthcare costs.

And in the State of the Union speech he pandered to the xenophobic and jingoistic right by implying that other nations must fail for us to "win". I know he doesn't mean it, but I don't want more of his policies, and I don't want more of Bush's policies (which are roughly equivalent).
While I'm not 100% happy with Obama continuing the Bush wars, I do think Obama is changing things. He's doing it more under the radar. I'll give him more time because the alternatives are not available.

Your position, "Paul can do no harm because he'll be ineffective", makes no sense to me.

Nothing Paul can say will make his 'rationale' on opposing the Civil Rights Bill acceptable because the Bill was needed at the time. Claiming it wasn't is ignorant of the facts.

As for health care, tell me if you believe we should let people die on the steps of a hospital because they chose not to buy health insurance? Should we let their kids die? And if not, how do you propose to pay for their care when they chose not to buy insurance and they need health care?

I don't understand your point/position on the "he pandered to the xenophobic and jingoistic right by implying that other nations must fail for us to "win". You'll have to elaborate on that one.
 
Exactly. Every time Bush or Obama sign a new law, it restricts your freedom in one way or another. Sometimes it's a good thing. It seems most of the time it's not.

In my opinion, as long as you are not hurting anyone you should be free to do what you want within reason.
So which laws restricting your freedom do you specifically object to?
 
While I'm not 100% happy with Obama continuing the Bush wars, I do think Obama is changing things. He's doing it more under the radar. I'll give him more time because the alternatives are not available.

Your position, "Paul can do no harm because he'll be ineffective", makes no sense to me.

That's not really what I said. One one side you have Obama who would continue pushing mandatory healthcare and extending the war on terror; and using bureaucracy to solve the problems of bureaucracy. On the other you'd have Paul, unable to push radical laws and vetoing anything that comes to his desk except for legislation repealing older laws.

In other words, Obama will undoubtedly agree with Congress and pass unneeded laws just to "reach across the aisle". Congress won't be able to pass unneeded laws with Paul in office.

I don't know why there is a mentality that if you support something, there needs to a law for it. It's like Congress is law-happy. It's like a badge of honor to have your name all over legislation, but is there really any law that we need today? If you support our farmers does that mean you should pass laws subsidizing their work? To your local congressperson it does. If you disagree with homosexuality does that mean you need to pass a federal law to ban it? The answer to both is no. But try telling that to Congress with their great ideas like SOPA.

Nothing Paul can say will make his 'rationale' on opposing the Civil Rights Bill acceptable because the Bill was needed at the time. Claiming it wasn't is ignorant of the facts.

It's not Ron Paul's rationale I agree with. It's the consequences of what he can actually accomplish in office. It the Civil Rights Bill got repealed today, it would hardly have an effect. Racial equality has been socialized into our culture. Yes, it made sense then.

As for health care, tell me if you believe we should let people die on the steps of a hospital because they chose not to buy health insurance?

No, but I do believe that mandatory health insurance results in doctors and hospitals charging more for services than they might be worth, because the patient is not accountable for the cost and the doctor's demand doesn't decrease if he sends the government a larger bill. Also, because the doctor gets paid regardless of the quality of service there may be less incentive to provide a good service. Then you end up with a situation where the price of healthcare is artificially high due to entitlement and inefficiencies.

If someone is really worried about dying at the steps of a hospital I'm sure they'll be more motivated to take care of themselves and avoid risky activities. The scenario you presented does leave us with a situation were an innocent person is a victim of crime or an accident. Here I think the government should step in and pay the bill. It's a small cost.

Should we let their kids die? And if not, how do you propose to pay for their care when they chose not to buy insurance and they need health care?

The government could issue a low interest loan to the affected family to be paid in "volunteer work" or to be withheld from future tax returns.

This would provide an incentive for the family to go to friends and family first. Perhaps the government could match the amount raised. I don't know. There are other solutions.

One night, I kicked someone during a nightmare. I woke up to terrible pain because the kick in my dream translated to me actually kicking my bedroom wall. My big toe suffered a minor fracture, but having no insurance, and since I had fractured my finger previously, I realized there was nothing to be done... Imagine if, with this knowledge, I went to the emergency room and asked to be seen for this minor fracture, had 2 or 3 x-rays taken at the expense of my government subsidized insurance. Or imagine that I had a more severe fracture, was poor, and decided that I'd rather spend what little money I had on beer, and let the government pay for my fracture.

I don't understand your point/position on the "he pandered to the xenophobic and jingoistic right by implying that other nations must fail for us to "win". You'll have to elaborate on that one.

Yeah, sorry... Here is what I'm referring to:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/freeexchange/2012/01/trade
 
That's not really what I said. One one side you have Obama who would continue pushing mandatory healthcare and extending the war on terror; and using bureaucracy to solve the problems of bureaucracy. On the other you'd have Paul, unable to push radical laws and vetoing anything that comes to his desk except for legislation repealing older laws.

In other words, Obama will undoubtedly agree with Congress and pass unneeded laws just to "reach across the aisle". Congress won't be able to pass unneeded laws with Paul in office.

I don't know why there is a mentality that if you support something, there needs to a law for it. It's like Congress is law-happy. It's like a badge of honor to have your name all over legislation, but is there really any law that we need today? If you support our farmers does that mean you should pass laws subsidizing their work? To your local congressperson it does. If you disagree with homosexuality does that mean you need to pass a federal law to ban it? The answer to both is no. But try telling that to Congress with their great ideas like SOPA.
So the White House agreed with SOPA?



It's not Ron Paul's rationale I agree with. It's the consequences of what he can actually accomplish in office. It the Civil Rights Bill got repealed today, it would hardly have an effect. Racial equality has been socialized into our culture. Yes, it made sense then.
So you agree that his rationale is wrong but since you don't see it having an effect its okay...



No, but I do believe that mandatory health insurance results in doctors and hospitals charging more for services than they might be worth, because the patient is not accountable for the cost and the doctor's demand doesn't decrease if he sends the government a larger bill. Also, because the doctor gets paid regardless of the quality of service there may be less incentive to provide a good service. Then you end up with a situation where the price of healthcare is artificially high due to entitlement and inefficiencies.

If someone is really worried about dying at the steps of a hospital I'm sure they'll be more motivated to take care of themselves and avoid risky activities. The scenario you presented does leave us with a situation were an innocent person is a victim of crime or an accident. Here I think the government should step in and pay the bill. It's a small cost.



The government could issue a low interest loan to the affected family to be paid in "volunteer work" or to be withheld from future tax returns.

This would provide an incentive for the family to go to friends and family first. Perhaps the government could match the amount raised. I don't know. There are other solutions.

One night, I kicked someone during a nightmare. I woke up to terrible pain because the kick in my dream translated to me actually kicking my bedroom wall. My big toe suffered a minor fracture, but having no insurance, and since I had fractured my finger previously, I realized there was nothing to be done... Imagine if, with this knowledge, I went to the emergency room and asked to be seen for this minor fracture, had 2 or 3 x-rays taken at the expense of my government subsidized insurance. Or imagine that I had a more severe fracture, was poor, and decided that I'd rather spend what little money I had on beer, and let the government pay for my fracture.
Ok I imagined it.... So?
 
So which laws restricting your freedom do you specifically object to?

For example, I've been suffering from depression for a while (8 years). I've been taking an SSRI that works well enough to keep me from spending all day in bed. There's hardly any abuse risk associated with SSRIs.

My psychiatrist thought she had ordered multiple refills. I was pretty sure she had not and insisted she hadn't, but I decided to take her word.

Days later I requested a refill from the pharmacy. This was a week in advance of me running out of medication. The pharmacy claimed they didn't have a refill request, so they sent a fax to my psychiatrist's office. I called to follow up for 3 days. The psychiatrist's office told me they hadn't received a fax. So I kept calling both the pharmacy and the doctor's office. A long weekend came up and I was going to go for a day without my medication. I called the doctor's office again and they told me that they had way too many backlogged requests. At the end of the day they told me they hadn't received a fax from the pharmacy. The next work day I called the pharmacy and it turns out they had misread the fax number. So I called the after-hours line and the on-call called the pharmacy directly and requested my medication. I called the pharmacy to let them know I was going to be there one minute before they closed and I asked if they could please wait for me. They said no. I got to the pharmacy and they were still helping a customer. When they finished attending the customer I asked for my medication and they just told me that they were closed. At this point I was already feeling very irritated and frustrated. I knew I wasn't going to do well at work the next day and that I'd start feeling pain, headaches and other symptoms, and just be irritable and unproductive. So I called the answering service and had to persuade the new on-call doctor to make another request at another pharmacy. He treated me with suspicion regarding a medication I knew would help my suicidal feelings and would generally make my life much better the following day.

Finally he acquiesced, and I drove to a pharmacy, got my medication and went home. Why should my well-being be at the hands of these people? Who came up with a law that says I don't know better about this medication that has improved my quality of life for almost a year?
 
So the White House agreed with SOPA?

Nobody knew what the White House was going to do ahead of time. If it had been politically expedient, the White House would have signed SOPA into law.

So you agree that his rationale is wrong but since you don't see it having an effect its okay...

Yes. Reasons and consequences are different things.
 
Nobody knew what the White House was going to do ahead of time. If it had been politically expedient, the White House would have signed SOPA into law.
So Obama will "undoubtedly agree with Congress and pass unneeded laws just to "reach across the aisle". Except when he doesn't. K...

Yes. Reasons and consequences are different things.

& if you're wrong about racial equality being socialized in our culture, how would that effect you?
 
So Obama will "undoubtedly agree with Congress and pass unneeded laws just to "reach across the aisle". Except when he doesn't. K...

You are missing the point.

http://allthingsd.com/20111226/obam...ably-veto-sopa-if-it-gets-that-far/?mod=tweet

http://www.onissuenews.com/FactNews/edutainment/would-obama-veto-sopa-extremely-doubtful/

& if you're wrong about racial equality being socialized in our culture, how would that effect you?

Then I can piggy-back on affirmative action.
 
For example, I've been suffering from depression for a while (8 years). I've been taking an SSRI that works well enough to keep me from spending all day in bed. There's hardly any abuse risk associated with SSRIs.

My psychiatrist thought she had ordered multiple refills. I was pretty sure she had not and insisted she hadn't, but I decided to take her word.

Days later I requested a refill from the pharmacy. This was a week in advance of me running out of medication. The pharmacy claimed they didn't have a refill request, so they sent a fax to my psychiatrist's office. I called to follow up for 3 days. The psychiatrist's office told me they hadn't received a fax. So I kept calling both the pharmacy and the doctor's office. A long weekend came up and I was going to go for a day without my medication. I called the doctor's office again and they told me that they had way too many backlogged requests. At the end of the day they told me they hadn't received a fax from the pharmacy. The next work day I called the pharmacy and it turns out they had misread the fax number. So I called the after-hours line and the on-call called the pharmacy directly and requested my medication. I called the pharmacy to let them know I was going to be there one minute before they closed and I asked if they could please wait for me. They said no. I got to the pharmacy and they were still helping a customer. When they finished attending the customer I asked for my medication and they just told me that they were closed. At this point I was already feeling very irritated and frustrated. I knew I wasn't going to do well at work the next day and that I'd start feeling pain, headaches and other symptoms, and just be irritable and unproductive. So I called the answering service and had to persuade the new on-call doctor to make another request at another pharmacy. He treated me with suspicion regarding a medication I knew would help my suicidal feelings and would generally make my life much better the following day.

Finally he acquiesced, and I drove to a pharmacy, got my medication and went home. Why should my well-being be at the hands of these people? Who came up with a law that says I don't know better about this medication that has improved my quality of life for almost a year?
So because a private pharmacy and a physician's office bungled your prescription refill you think there should be no prescription drug regulations? I'm sorry but you've not made a valid analysis.

How about comparing the benefit of prescription drug laws against the risks/costs instead of looking at a single event?

Suppose there were no regulations and instead the pharmacy you went to talked you into buying something ineffective. You left the store took the replacement, found out it didn't work, had to go back, then found out they were out of the other drug and so on and so on. The pharmacy and the doctor screwed up your refill. It wasn't the prescription drug laws that were the problem.

Try again.
 
It the Civil Rights Bill got repealed today, it would hardly have an effect. Racial equality has been socialized into our culture. Yes, it made sense then.
If the civil rights bill were repealed today, some overt racial discrimination would begin immediately. You can legislate integration & equal access, you can't legislate internal feelings. For some, the only thing that kept those feelings from resulting in actions were laws. There would be separate bathrooms and food counters within weeks and it would grow from there.
 
That's not really what I said. One one side you have Obama who would continue pushing mandatory healthcare and extending the war on terror; and using bureaucracy to solve the problems of bureaucracy. On the other you'd have Paul, unable to push radical laws and vetoing anything that comes to his desk except for legislation repealing older laws.

In other words, Obama will undoubtedly agree with Congress and pass unneeded laws just to "reach across the aisle". Congress won't be able to pass unneeded laws with Paul in office.
You've not made your case that the laws are "unneeded".



I don't know why there is a mentality that if you support something, there needs to a law for it.
This is a straw man argument. That is not the mentality. The actual 'mentality' is the government has a useful role to play.

Ron Paul spouts an ignorant slogan "the government is unnecessary" and you are echoing it. But you are not looking at the pros and cons, you are simply declaring your personal freedom is impinged therefore all laws are bad. If all those laws were gone you would find your personal freedom in a lot worse shape as every individual with more power than you simply took your rights away.



... If you support our farmers does that mean you should pass laws subsidizing their work?
More straw. While the farm subsidies may have once been useful, they currently serve to pad the pockets of crony constituencies. I am specifically for ending these subsidies. That doesn't mean everything the government does is unnecessary.



If you disagree with homosexuality does that mean you need to pass a federal law to ban it?
Actually, we need laws to protect homosexuals from the people who disagree with homoseuality and then want to unfairly discriminate against gays.



But try telling that to Congress with their great ideas like SOPA.
There are legitimate issues with copyright infringement that need to be resolved in the new era of file sharing and freedom of Internet access to information. This particular legislation is not well devised. But something is needed. I await a better version.



It's not Ron Paul's rationale I agree with. It's the consequences of what he can actually accomplish in office. It the Civil Rights Bill got repealed today, it would hardly have an effect. Racial equality has been socialized into our culture. Yes, it made sense then.
This conclusion is naive. I'm guessing you don't live in the South or maybe you approve of the discrimination against Muslims.



No, but I do believe that mandatory health insurance results in doctors and hospitals charging more for services than they might be worth, because the patient is not accountable for the cost and the doctor's demand doesn't decrease if he sends the government a larger bill. Also, because the doctor gets paid regardless of the quality of service there may be less incentive to provide a good service. Then you end up with a situation where the price of healthcare is artificially high due to entitlement and inefficiencies.
You are poorly informed here. Currently insurance companies reimburse doctors, not patients so your argument is unsupportable. Currently those patients that do pay for health care subsidize the costs of the freeloaders.

If you want to say it's OK for the hospitals to let people who can't pay die on the steps of the ED then you can make your argument that mandatory health care coverage is wrong. As long as society is unwilling to do that, then the freeloaders are better covered by either tax dollar supported national health care insurance or directly provided care in government run hospitals and clinics. Short of that, mandatory private insurance is the next best option.

Ron Paul's position is to pretend charity will pay for all the freeloaders. But it already currently does not. The costs of unpaid medical bills are included in paying customers' charges.



If someone is really worried about dying at the steps of a hospital I'm sure they'll be more motivated to take care of themselves and avoid risky activities. The scenario you presented does leave us with a situation were an innocent person is a victim of crime or an accident. Here I think the government should step in and pay the bill. It's a small cost.
Ridiculous. Do you seriously think as long as you are motivated by lack of health insurance you'll never get cancer or an infectious disease or Lupus or MS or...... on and on? Your position is absurdly naive. In your version should the government not pay then if the un-medically-insured injured driver caused the accident and isn't a victim in the way you describe?



The government could issue a low interest loan to the affected family to be paid in "volunteer work" or to be withheld from future tax returns.

This would provide an incentive for the family to go to friends and family first. Perhaps the government could match the amount raised. I don't know. There are other solutions.
Aren't these mostly government stepping in solutions? Funny isn't it. When you actually look at Ron Paul's positions they just don't work in the real world. People can certainly disagree how the government should intervene, but a blanket, "the government doesn't need to intervene" is not realistic.



One night, I kicked someone during a nightmare. I woke up to terrible pain because the kick in my dream translated to me actually kicking my bedroom wall. My big toe suffered a minor fracture, but having no insurance, and since I had fractured my finger previously, I realized there was nothing to be done... Imagine if, with this knowledge, I went to the emergency room and asked to be seen for this minor fracture, had 2 or 3 x-rays taken at the expense of my government subsidized insurance. Or imagine that I had a more severe fracture, was poor, and decided that I'd rather spend what little money I had on beer, and let the government pay for my fracture.
What is your point? I take it you don't have health insurance and you are telling us how you survived without it. Suppose that same injury was more significant than your previous fracture and you mistakenly thought you were qualified to diagnose your own injury? Then where would you be?
Toe fracture complications:
Toe fractures, especially intra-articular fractures, can result in degenerative joint disease, and osteomyelitis is a potential complication of open fractures.
Copays are a reasonable way to limit one seeking unneeded health care.



I take it you are talking about:
Perhaps more distressing, he implied in several places that the reason to become more like China was that only by doing so could America defeat China, and others, at economics. Consider the line:
"Our workers are the most productive on Earth, and if the playing field is level, I promise you – America will always win."
Leaving others, one is forced to conclude, to lose—not once, not occasionally, but always. And what is likely to be the outcome of unending defeat?
I don't see Obama's rhetoric as claiming it was a winner take all world economy. To be number one doesn't mean number two loses all. The op ed author sees the comments differently than I do.
 
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...using bureaucracy to solve the problems of bureaucracy
Your premise implicitly assumes the conclusion that bureaucracy is inherently and fatally flawed and incapable of solving problems. It's like saying "using human reasoning to solve problems of human reasoning". As if that is not possible.
 
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Then I can piggy-back on affirmative action.

What does that mean? A different government intervention? It's another example of reality hitting an unworkable slogan, government is unneeded.
Yeah, Richard, let's get one thing straight. Lack of government and government solutions is negatively correlated to flourishing societies. This attack on govt as if it can only cause more problems than it can alleviate or mitigate has no basis in reality. You are welcome to believe that and argue in favor of that but please don't argue as if it is a given. Especially when there exists empirical evidence to counter the proposition.
 

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