Obama's State of the Union Address

[RandFan]

Contributing data and studies.

Himmelstein DU, Warren E, Thorne D, Woolhandler S. Illness and injury as contributors to bankruptcy. Health Aff (Millwood). February 2, 2005;[Web exclusive] http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/hlthaff.w5.63v1Accessed August 6, 2008

Pereira J. Left behind—casualties of a changing job market; parting shot: to save on health-care costs, firms fire disabled workers. Wall Street Journal. July 14, 2003;A1

Doty MM, Edwards JN, Holgren AL. Seeing red: Americans driven into debt by medical bills. Commonwealth Fund. August 10, 2005 http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/837_Doty_seeing_red_medical_debt.pdf?section=4039Accessed July 17, 2008

 

[RandFan]

Simply asserting that there is overlapping data and therefore a peer reviewed published study in a major journal just won't cut. It doesn't work for the global warming deniers. Doesn't work for the evolution deniers. Etc.

Show me an expert like the skeptic Steven Novella who understands statistical analysis and research to dispute the data, methodology, protocols or math. Otherwise you are just like the rest of the wannabees.

OR

Provide an example. Make up data and demonstrate that its not possible. If you have a claim then don't assert it. Demonstrate it!

 

[Ziggurat]

Himmelstein DU, Warren E, Thorne D, Woolhandler S. Illness and injury as contributors to bankruptcy. Health Aff (Millwood). February 2, 2005;[Web exclusive] http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/reprint/hlthaff.w5.63v1Accessed August 6, 2008

So, what did they use as their definition?

Under the rubric “Major Medical Bankruptcy” we included debtors who either (1) cited illness or injury as a specific reason for bankruptcy, or (2) reported uncovered medical bills exceeding $1,000 in the past years, or (3) lost at least two weeks of work-related income because of illness/injury, or (4) mortgaged a home to pay medical bills.

Oh, look at that: it's got the same definition, and so it has the exact same problems.

Again, you're embarrassing yourself.

Doty MM, Edwards JN, Holgren AL. Seeing red: Americans driven into debt by medical bills. Commonwealth Fund. August 10, 2005 http://www.commonwealthfund.org/usr_doc/837_Doty_seeing_red_medical_debt.pdf?section=4039Accessed July 17, 2008

Not about bankruptcy, so irrelevant to the previous article.

 

[Ziggurat]

Simply asserting that there is overlapping data and therefore a peer reviewed published study in a major journal just won't cut.

Stop it already. You've embarrassed yourself enough for one day. You're clearly not reading my posts, and you clearly don't understand what I actually said.

Show me an expert like the skeptic Steven Novella who understands statistical analysis and research to dispute the data, methodology, protocols or math.

I'm not disputing any of those things. I'm disputing the definition. The overlap problem refers to the fact that something which we might like to know isn't presented at all.

 

[respect]

In fairness, I did worse than that: I think I called him the Andrew Sullivan of this message board.

Just to hedge your frustration, one of the people you are arguing with is an elaborate troll designed to make liberals look stupid. I won't name names, but she is just trolling and best put on ignore where I have her (or maybe him).