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Muslim researcher explains how 9/11 was made
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Craig4
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Where's the evidence of remote control?
mehmetin
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TruthMakesPeace, normally I stopped any discussion here. As your question looks honest, I dare to answer.
Your picture and your user name are excellent!
If I must make the attacks, I’ll use military gas, like Sarin gas.
Disadvantages of pressure change :
- There is modification on the aircrafts systems.
- Such pressure change in mid air could have unpredicted consequences. Even if the aircrafts are designed to bore such change, the mechanical stress is important.
- The pressure change will very probably create the killing of people, but they can survive depending on the pressure change speed.
- The pressure change will be recorded in the FDR.
Advantages of using gas:
- No changes to the systems of the aircrafts.
- No mechanical shock on the plane structure.
- Everything is made by the control system that guides the aircrafts to their targets; it’s a complete validated autonomous module.
- The death is 100% sure.
- The death of the pilots could become within seconds.
You can see this thread. But also the power point in my web site www.peace911.org . Your questions are welcome. Consider that I am ready to defend the main claims of my work before any justice court. For me, the work is done, the events are explained, and we know how the attacks were made.
For your information, I do not more trust 911 truther groups. For me, they are disinfo agents who work for creation of huge confusion about the attacks. They do not want any end, any final conclusion about the events. Their work is leading the opposition to the official story into a bottle neck, and they are succeeding. Steven Jones, Jim Fetzer, Jim Hoffman (Victoria Ashley), Griffin, Harrith, … are all disinfo agents. I dare to tell that, I spoke directly to all those people and they remained silent, they escaped the discussion. I did not ask one small time, I asked and challenged them too many times, with long time patience and honesty. That’s my conclusion.
The fact is simple: The events were made in ONE manner. If 911 truther groups were sincere in their work, after checking every detail and all strong evidence they should all get consensus on that ONE explanation of the events. Instead, they are getting wider and wider crazy theories. Why? Because, they are dishonest and creating confusion.
Continuing to speak out in such forums is useless. You are facing non responsible people who can answer every kind of crazy arguments to move the discussion everywhere. And you turn around. The forums will lead nowhere. Something else should be made. For example starting a lawsuit. I have the material to start it. But I am not inside USA and such action should be started inside USA by people who are victims of the strikes.
Do you know any people who will be able to escape the disinformation created by 911 truther groups and start any lawsuit? They are less than 10 people over the world. The biggest problem is 911 truther groups.
Your picture and your user name are excellent!
If I must make the attacks, I’ll use military gas, like Sarin gas.
Disadvantages of pressure change :
- There is modification on the aircrafts systems.
- Such pressure change in mid air could have unpredicted consequences. Even if the aircrafts are designed to bore such change, the mechanical stress is important.
- The pressure change will very probably create the killing of people, but they can survive depending on the pressure change speed.
- The pressure change will be recorded in the FDR.
Advantages of using gas:
- No changes to the systems of the aircrafts.
- No mechanical shock on the plane structure.
- Everything is made by the control system that guides the aircrafts to their targets; it’s a complete validated autonomous module.
- The death is 100% sure.
- The death of the pilots could become within seconds.
You can see this thread. But also the power point in my web site www.peace911.org . Your questions are welcome. Consider that I am ready to defend the main claims of my work before any justice court. For me, the work is done, the events are explained, and we know how the attacks were made.
For your information, I do not more trust 911 truther groups. For me, they are disinfo agents who work for creation of huge confusion about the attacks. They do not want any end, any final conclusion about the events. Their work is leading the opposition to the official story into a bottle neck, and they are succeeding. Steven Jones, Jim Fetzer, Jim Hoffman (Victoria Ashley), Griffin, Harrith, … are all disinfo agents. I dare to tell that, I spoke directly to all those people and they remained silent, they escaped the discussion. I did not ask one small time, I asked and challenged them too many times, with long time patience and honesty. That’s my conclusion.
The fact is simple: The events were made in ONE manner. If 911 truther groups were sincere in their work, after checking every detail and all strong evidence they should all get consensus on that ONE explanation of the events. Instead, they are getting wider and wider crazy theories. Why? Because, they are dishonest and creating confusion.
Continuing to speak out in such forums is useless. You are facing non responsible people who can answer every kind of crazy arguments to move the discussion everywhere. And you turn around. The forums will lead nowhere. Something else should be made. For example starting a lawsuit. I have the material to start it. But I am not inside USA and such action should be started inside USA by people who are victims of the strikes.
Do you know any people who will be able to escape the disinformation created by 911 truther groups and start any lawsuit? They are less than 10 people over the world. The biggest problem is 911 truther groups.
You can't take action, your only product is fantasy. You will not be able to spread your lies past a fringe few who can't use evidence to form rational conclusions, like yourself. You have failed to make an impact spreading lies on 911.
I agree, you have crazy arguments. To start a lawsuit you need evidence, not the moronic lies you made up.
This is a delusion, you have no material except fantasy nonsense. Stuff you made up.
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NoahFence
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Oh man... I'd LOVE to go there. I'll bring the popcorn. Always happy to see a good comedy!
Craig4
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TruthMakesPeace, normally I stopped any discussion here. As your question looks honest, I dare to answer.
Your picture and your user name are excellent!
If I must make the attacks, I’ll use military gas, like Sarin gas.
Disadvantages of pressure change :
- There is modification on the aircrafts systems.
- Such pressure change in mid air could have unpredicted consequences. Even if the aircrafts are designed to bore such change, the mechanical stress is important.
- The pressure change will very probably create the killing of people, but they can survive depending on the pressure change speed.
- The pressure change will be recorded in the FDR.
Advantages of using gas:
- No changes to the systems of the aircrafts.
- No mechanical shock on the plane structure.
- Everything is made by the control system that guides the aircrafts to their targets; it’s a complete validated autonomous module.
- The death is 100% sure.
- The death of the pilots could become within seconds.
You can see this thread. But also the power point in my web site www.peace911.org . Your questions are welcome. Consider that I am ready to defend the main claims of my work before any justice court. For me, the work is done, the events are explained, and we know how the attacks were made.
For your information, I do not more trust 911 truther groups. For me, they are disinfo agents who work for creation of huge confusion about the attacks. They do not want any end, any final conclusion about the events. Their work is leading the opposition to the official story into a bottle neck, and they are succeeding. Steven Jones, Jim Fetzer, Jim Hoffman (Victoria Ashley), Griffin, Harrith, … are all disinfo agents. I dare to tell that, I spoke directly to all those people and they remained silent, they escaped the discussion. I did not ask one small time, I asked and challenged them too many times, with long time patience and honesty. That’s my conclusion.
The fact is simple: The events were made in ONE manner. If 911 truther groups were sincere in their work, after checking every detail and all strong evidence they should all get consensus on that ONE explanation of the events. Instead, they are getting wider and wider crazy theories. Why? Because, they are dishonest and creating confusion.
Continuing to speak out in such forums is useless. You are facing non responsible people who can answer every kind of crazy arguments to move the discussion everywhere. And you turn around. The forums will lead nowhere. Something else should be made. For example starting a lawsuit. I have the material to start it. But I am not inside USA and such action should be started inside USA by people who are victims of the strikes.
Do you know any people who will be able to escape the disinformation created by 911 truther groups and start any lawsuit? They are less than 10 people over the world. The biggest problem is 911 truther groups.
Got it. So what you are saying is that a bunch of nut jobs who were Muslim got all hyped up on religion and hijacked some planes and flew them into buildings. Understood.
Sideroxylon
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No! No, no,no! Anything but that happened. You see, Muslims could never do such a thing, therefore almost any other story you could come up with would be better than that lie. Oh, and the Joos did it.
mehmetin
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TruthMakesPeace, normally I stopped any discussion here. As your question looks honest, I dare to answer.
Your picture and your user name are excellent!
14 minutes after my answer here up, TruthMakesPeace wrote his last post. Then he was banned. Admin statement is here http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/showthread.php?p=7258225#post7258225
I do not know what threats he made and why. I found his work honest, thinkful and sincere.
Whatever could be the reason why he was abnned, that shows jref forum is not democratic and not willing to investigate anything about 9/11. Honest and sincere people are banned or at least attacked by countless crazy answers. That's logical because supporting the official story is impossible with truth reasoning.
mehmet at peace911 dot org
minnemouse
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Hm... This Mehmet Inan claims to have invented stuff, but his linkedin page says:
http://be.linkedin.com/pub/mehmet-inan/19/365/177
I had no idea that political science meant you invent weapon systems......
http://be.linkedin.com/pub/mehmet-inan/19/365/177
I had no idea that political science meant you invent weapon systems......
abaddon
Penultimate Amazing
Well, good for you. You have actual expertise to offer on the subject. Do not apologise for offering that, we should be thanking you.
Cool. I am a long time aviation head. I like it when experts contribute.
20 years experience is not inconsiderable.
Ah, slots. It is remarkable how many people do not understand the way those work.
Yup, you lose your slot then you are hosed.
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Clayton Moore
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Jewish Ex-Marine SPEAKS OUT on Israeli Involvement
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wq2pGd9ViUM&feature=endscreen&NR=1
minnemouse
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Uh...? First of all - he is not jewish; he simply have some jewish relatives:
"To my displeasure and my shame, because I have some Jewish relatives -- none of whom is Zionist -- a large majority of American Jews give their allegiance to a foreign country."
About his credentials:
"Alan Sabrosky bills himself as the former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College. He has made quite a name for himself in recent months by first declaring himself a military expert with high-level connections in the U.S. military hierarchy, then by outrageously claiming that Israel was responsible for 9/11 and that the U.S. military knows this and is concealing it. While he offers no evidence for this, he claims that he should be trusted because of his expertise. The truth of the matter -- with respect to both his background and his claims -- is quite different, of course. Sabrosky has deliberately inflated his role in the military and has used that ruse to promote a hateful, fact-free conspiracy theory. In fact, while he did work as an administrator at the U.S. Army War College, he was not, as his job title seems to indicate, the director or dean of the college. Far from it. According to the Press Office of the Army War College, in the mid-1980s, Sabrosky served as a civilian administrator at a research department of the college, supervising the publication of papers written within that department. His job title was "Director of Studies" because he supervised publishing studies done within a department of the college. He was a mid-level civilian manager at a military college, without access to the sort of highly classified material of the sort he now fraudulently claims to have. Moreover, since his employment at that school was about 25 years ago, his employment there would provide him with no special insights with respect to 9/11. How on earth could someone who worked on the level of a college librarian in the 1980s be privy to top secret information revealing a vast hidden conspiracy? And how on earth could he be the only person to know about it or think it worth revealing?"
And this is funny:
"Opposition from truthers, support from anti-Zionists
Some in the 9/11 Truth movement have quite sensibly pointed out that Sabrosky's conspiracy theory is not only factually false and illogical, but that's it's also bigoted. (Read here.) Amusingly, they deduce from this that Sabrosky must be an agent provocateur working with a conspiracy to discredit the other, more sensible, conspiracy theorists. They think that Sabrosky is a one-man false-flag operation!"
But you seem to swallow it all - lock, stock and two smoking barrels
The video you linked to; Iranian tv (shock!). Main stream media wont touch him with asbestos gloves even - he is a bigot, a anti-semittic lunatic with a grandeur complex, and a chip on his shoulder that is larger than Mount Sinai.
And still you regards his rantings as true.
Source:
http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/05/alan-sabrosky-large-majority-of-us-jews.html
Sideroxylon
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The failure to mention these pertinent facts is typical truther lying by omission.
Oystein
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Let's employ the criterion of "Time to first lie" (TtfL) to this one. As a rule of thumb, if person speaks a lie within the first minute, stop listening and discard the rest.
1. TtfL of Clayton's post: 0 seconds. His very first word ("Jewish") is a lie.
2. TtfL of Alan Sabrosky's talk: He begins talking at 2:47. At 3:02 he introduces the next things he's saying with "about two weeks after the attacks". At 3:17 he says, talking about the 19 named Arab terrorists who did the attacks: "Running around flying schools like loose cannons, not having the piolot skills to fly the aircraft". 3:24 is the time stamp now.
There are at least two lies in that:
a) The pilots did have enough skills to fly aircraft after take-off.
b) Two weeks after the attacks, he could not have known any details about their flight training, their behaviour at the flight schools or their proficiency as pilots. Such details weren't out in the public until long after, and Sabrosky certainly had no access to ongoing FBI investigation data.
-> TtfL = 15 seconds, time to second lie 37 seconds.
Is there any need to watch the video any further, Clayton, knowing that Sabrosky is willing to lie to us so fast?
Perhaps he'd assist in that search.
If he is the Mehmet Inan cited in LinkedIn above, then…
from his bio:
He got out of school (political science) in 2004. (hmmmm….)
(Mehmetin has a strange concept of what the term "technical" means. Sorry to burst your delusion, but the fact that the field "political science" has the word "science" in it, specifically EXCLUDES it from being a technical field.)
Possessed NO job (about which he wishes to inform a potential employer) between 2004 and Mar. 2009. (hmmmm….)
And in less than 3 years since, is working on his 3rd job. (hmmmm…)
None of the job related to his education (hmmmm….)
And finally, he was at university from 1999 - 2004, which typically puts his birth year at approximately 1980 - 1982.
So his "20 years of technical experience" started when he was approximately 10 years old.
Precocious young lad, no…?
That's true.
Because you seem to have no qualifications to begin with.
Nope, you've got that backwards.
Using qualifications to support your claims is only a BAD thing amongst unqualified people. Qualifications enable one to make competent arguments.
You've made, by my count, zero arguments. Only assertions.
Wild, baseless, unsubstantiated, undefended assertions.
Hmmm, in your first sentence, you invite people to search for your qualifications. But now you clam up.
Nobody cares WHO you are. We do care what your qualifications are.
But, mehmetin, you've finally said something correct.
Your qualifications appear to be meaningless.
tom
PS. BTW, my qualifications are not meaningless in these discussions.
I'll quote your opening statement:
"If you search a little bit [I'll help you out. You just have to search this website], you'll learn that I have more than
BTW, all of my subsequent jobs have been directly in the field of mechanical engineering.
NoahFence
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Uh...? First of all - he is not jewish; he simply have some jewish relatives:
"To my displeasure and my shame, because I have some Jewish relatives -- none of whom is Zionist -- a large majority of American Jews give their allegiance to a foreign country."
About his credentials:
"Alan Sabrosky bills himself as the former Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College. He has made quite a name for himself in recent months by first declaring himself a military expert with high-level connections in the U.S. military hierarchy, then by outrageously claiming that Israel was responsible for 9/11 and that the U.S. military knows this and is concealing it. While he offers no evidence for this, he claims that he should be trusted because of his expertise. The truth of the matter -- with respect to both his background and his claims -- is quite different, of course. Sabrosky has deliberately inflated his role in the military and has used that ruse to promote a hateful, fact-free conspiracy theory. In fact, while he did work as an administrator at the U.S. Army War College, he was not, as his job title seems to indicate, the director or dean of the college. Far from it. According to the Press Office of the Army War College, in the mid-1980s, Sabrosky served as a civilian administrator at a research department of the college, supervising the publication of papers written within that department. His job title was "Director of Studies" because he supervised publishing studies done within a department of the college. He was a mid-level civilian manager at a military college, without access to the sort of highly classified material of the sort he now fraudulently claims to have. Moreover, since his employment at that school was about 25 years ago, his employment there would provide him with no special insights with respect to 9/11. How on earth could someone who worked on the level of a college librarian in the 1980s be privy to top secret information revealing a vast hidden conspiracy? And how on earth could he be the only person to know about it or think it worth revealing?"
And this is funny:
"Opposition from truthers, support from anti-Zionists
Some in the 9/11 Truth movement have quite sensibly pointed out that Sabrosky's conspiracy theory is not only factually false and illogical, but that's it's also bigoted. (Read here.) Amusingly, they deduce from this that Sabrosky must be an agent provocateur working with a conspiracy to discredit the other, more sensible, conspiracy theorists. They think that Sabrosky is a one-man false-flag operation!"
But you seem to swallow it all - lock, stock and two smoking barrels
The video you linked to; Iranian tv (shock!). Main stream media wont touch him with asbestos gloves even - he is a bigot, a anti-semittic lunatic with a grandeur complex, and a chip on his shoulder that is larger than Mount Sinai.
And still you regards his rantings as true.
Source:
http://adamholland.blogspot.com/2010/05/alan-sabrosky-large-majority-of-us-jews.html
So Clayton uses a known liar as a source?
Shocking I tells ya.
Clayton Moore
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Last time I looked, if a person says he is the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College and, he is indeed the Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College, then he is Director of Studies at the U.S. Army War College.
Sideroxylon
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I am the president of the Republic of Turkey.
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You're missing the point. I can legitimately put on my resume that I am an award winning actor honored by the Kennedy Center. I can then hype this as if I have skills & insight few actors have. I can further point out that that I beat out about 2,000 other actors for this honor....
Now if & when a prospective employer researches this & finds that I was in a college production that won the KC/ACTF, do you really think they won't see it as a lie?