"The Republicans’ war on science and reason"

Bill Thompson said:
I love how lefties have this fuzzy logic where being impolite is the same thing as being dishonest.
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Bill Thompson said:
Lefties believe in something not necessarily because it is factual. Rather they believe something because they perceive it as being good and kindly.
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Bill Thompson said:
It does not matter if the USA does not have the funds or ability for Universal Health Care and that it would be unfeasible. To Liberals it is only important to support it because is SHOULD be done -- it does not matter if it CAN be done. This is how politicians that are all image and no substance (like John Kerry) get to be picked to lead.
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Bill Thompson said:
Am I supposed to assume you could educate me but you are too much of an elitist to waste your time in doing so?
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Kind of like what you're trying to do with your comments above?
 
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Fast Eddie B said:
The defining moment was when she was being interviewed on the radio. The discussion involved some reporters who had been killed (in Iraq? in Afghanistan? Somewhere?). The interviewer opined that some thought the reporters were being intentionally targeted by our troops.

Her response? "If only..."

I was lost from that point on. Her juvenile Ben-Stein-type evolution denial, heard about second hand, only vindicates my decision.

She's a Hannity-style right wing ideologue, and as such, boring. Exactly as boring as the left wing variety.

I'm sure she still sells a lot of books, though.
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I don't think you get what she meant. I think lots of people would not. Reporters have not historically been on the battle field. The loss of Vietnam, fairly or unfairly, has been attributed to the fact that the war was brought for the first time, into the living rooms of Americans.

Not only that, the media was way against the war and they reported it in a way to cause disgust for it.

It is a sore spot for Americans to this day.

What I am saying is more than just an opinion. When asked if the media played a role in shaping Americans to be against the war, I remember Walter Cronkite had difficulty in pretending to be just an innocent reporter.

What Coulter said sounds evil on the surface but there is a lot more to her "If Only..." comment.

Sometimes reporters are not innocent comrades that are on the side of the country they are from.

There is more. Sometimes reporters screw up. They are usually people who went to broadcasting school and have no idea that a war is sometimes a complex thing with rules that one needs to be trained for. They forget that the enemy is also watching CNN and MSNBC and they give out details about troop movements without thinking.
 
DavidJames said:
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Quotes and sources please. Quotes and sources please.Kind of like what you're trying to do with your comments above?
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HA !!

Assuming you are serious, on any day listen to Progressive Talk Radio. They present supposition as if it were fact. They only mention "Republicons" in emotionally-charged immature name-calling rants without explaining why. They quote right-wing pundits out of context and go on and on about how they are "wrong" whilst really meaning that they are "mean" because they never show how the person was logically incorrect, only that they said something that they do not want to believe.

The mistakes they make are almost endless. It is a feel-good free for all and if you are not on board or question them, then you are just stupid. And they hang up on people constantly who they cannot argue with and just want to label people as being and idiot. Savage wrote a book "Trickle up Poverty" where he carefully presented a case for Obama having Socialist leanings. But the moment someone mentions this on a Progressive Talk Radio, that Obama is a closeted Socialist, they are hung up on immediately and they rant on and on about that idiot caller without the caller being able to defend himself.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I don't think you get what she meant. I think lots of people would not.
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No, I don't think YOU get what she meant.

Had you heard her tone, she was wistfully wishing that our troops did, indeed, target reporters. Not much better if it was just a snarky attempt at humor.

Disgusting, and similar to someone here implying that American contractors got what they deserved when hung from a bridge.

Ideology can lead to some very ugly places.
 
Bill Thompson said:
HA !!

Assuming you are serious, on any day listen to Progressive Talk Radio. They present supposition as if it were fact. They only mention "Republicons" in emotionally-charged immature name-calling rants without explaining why. They quote right-wing pundits out of context and go on and on about how they are "wrong" whilst really meaning that they are "mean" because they never show how the person was logically incorrect, only that they said something that they do not want to believe.

The mistakes they make are almost endless. It is a feel-good free for all and if you are not on board or question them, then you are just stupid. And they hang up on people constantly who they cannot argue with and just want to label people as being and idiot. Savage wrote a book "Trickle up Poverty" where he carefully presented a case for Obama having Socialist leanings. But the moment someone mentions this on a Progressive Talk Radio, that Obama is a closeted Socialist, they are hung up on immediately and they rant on and on about that idiot caller without the caller being able to defend himself.
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Thanks, I figured you were making **** up.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I don't think you get what she meant. I think lots of people would not. Reporters have not historically been on the battle field. The loss of Vietnam, fairly or unfairly, has been attributed to the fact that the war was brought for the first time, into the living rooms of Americans.
Not only that, the media was way against the war and they reported it in a way to cause disgust for it.

It is a sore spot for Americans to this day.

What I am saying is more than just an opinion. When asked if the media played a role in shaping Americans to be against the war, I remember Walter Cronkite had difficulty in pretending to be just an innocent reporter.

What Coulter said sounds evil on the surface but there is a lot more to her "If Only..." comment.

Sometimes reporters are not innocent comrades that are on the side of the country they are from.

There is more. Sometimes reporters screw up. They are usually people who went to broadcasting school and have no idea that a war is sometimes a complex thing with rules that one needs to be trained for. They forget that the enemy is also watching CNN and MSNBC and they give out details about troop movements without thinking.
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Particularly concerning the hilited area, the reason the Vietnam war was lost is that, in spite of us knocking the North Vietnamese air force out of the sky, despite the fact that we trained and armed the South Vietnamese army, despite the fact that we left the South Vietnamese government in charge of a goodly amount of territory when we left; their government (one of many) wasn't competent in the least. They should have, at very least, been able to put up one hell of a fight against the North Vietnamese. Instead, they folded the minute we weren't there to hold their hand.

Many conservative critics have blamed the loss of the war on left wing anti-war activists, even going so far as to label their activities as treason. Here's how you avoid such "treason" in the future. First, Congress stops abdicating its responsibility and actually declares an official war. Second, and more important, don't lie to the American people - as in the Gulf of Tonkin non-incident. These two guidelines apply equally well to the Iraq War - another undeclared war based on false claims by the administration.
 
Bill Thompson said:
HA !!

Assuming you are serious, on any day listen to Progressive Talk Radio. They present supposition as if it were fact. They only mention "Republicons" in emotionally-charged immature name-calling rants without explaining why. They quote right-wing pundits out of context and go on and on about how they are "wrong" whilst really meaning that they are "mean" because they never show how the person was logically incorrect, only that they said something that they do not want to believe.

The mistakes they make are almost endless. It is a feel-good free for all and if you are not on board or question them, then you are just stupid. And they hang up on people constantly who they cannot argue with and just want to label people as being and idiot. Savage wrote a book "Trickle up Poverty" where he carefully presented a case for Obama having Socialist leanings. But the moment someone mentions this on a Progressive Talk Radio, that Obama is a closeted Socialist, they are hung up on immediately and they rant on and on about that idiot caller without the caller being able to defend himself.
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Yes, we know you personally do not like Progressive Talk Radio and the reasons you give are because they do the same things that Right Wing Talk Radion does. But that isn't what you were asked. You were asked for sources. "Just listen to them!" is not a source. Links would be more helpful.
 
Sure there are religious wack jobs on the right. If I could afford it or otherwise swing it, I would live in another country. But according to Milton Freidman it is the kind of political ideas that the Democratic Liberals and the Obama Administration now has that is the illogical, irrational fantasy that is not accepting reality. Where is he wrong:

 
Tricky said:
Yes, we know you personally do not like Progressive Talk Radio and the reasons you give are because they do the same things that Right Wing Talk Radion does. But that isn't what you were asked. You were asked for sources. "Just listen to them!" is not a source. Links would be more helpful.
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Everyone makes mistakes. But there is a huge difference. It is like comparing a house that is a fixer-upper (the right wingers) to a house that looks freaking great and everyone would love to live it (the left wingers) but the foundation is cracked and you would not know it unless you studied it.

OK, so you want specific examples? Rachael Maddow had a show on MSNBC where right after Gabby Giffords was shot in the head Maddow did a show where she blamed right wing radio talk shows for the shooting. She didn't have a clue what she was talking about. To hide this fact she went into talking about some troublemaker who was caught in relation to a MLK march in Spokane. THe two stories did not fit together, but Maddow covered this up with sound bytes like "you have to connect the dots" and "it is obvious to anyone". She was wrong and she was intentionally and knowingly wrong. It did not matter because she could present an argument to get people politically on her side because of her own personal vested interests. She intentionally ignored facts that would disprove her such has the fact that the shooter of Giffords was neither a left wing or a right wing nut job. He was just a nut job. Also he shot and killed a right-wing judge who sacrificed himself to save others at the shooting.

Something else is this. Anyone can email Rush Limbaugh to disagree with him and you just might get invited onto his show. His email address is easy to find. On the other hand, no one can email Rachael Maddow. I tried for hours to find her email address. THe only thing I could find is her partners email address (are some homosexuals Liberal out of obligation?).

You want me to show you links online to where Liberals intentionally lie and mislead? I have planned ahead for that. Last time I was between jobs I started recording some broadcasts. I can post them online I guess. Contrary to what you might think, tHe universe is not on the internet.

Is listening to the radio too much to ask of you?
 
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TimCallahan said:
Particularly concerning the hilited area, the reason the Vietnam war was lost is that, in spite of us knocking the North Vietnamese air force out of the sky, despite the fact that we trained and armed the South Vietnamese army, despite the fact that we left the South Vietnamese government in charge of a goodly amount of territory when we left; their government (one of many) wasn't competent in the least. They should have, at very least, been able to put up one hell of a fight against the North Vietnamese. Instead, they folded the minute we weren't there to hold their hand.

Many conservative critics have blamed the loss of the war on left wing anti-war activists, even going so far as to label their activities as treason. Here's how you avoid such "treason" in the future. First, Congress stops abdicating its responsibility and actually declares an official war. Second, and more important, don't lie to the American people - as in the Gulf of Tonkin non-incident. These two guidelines apply equally well to the Iraq War - another undeclared war based on false claims by the administration.
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Where do you get your information? I get my information from books written by people I have reason to believe they know what they are talking about. Lots of what you have just said does not fit with what I have read. Here is one book for you:

http://www.amazon.com/Vietnam-War-D...4808/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1325578065&sr=8-1
 
Fast Eddie B said:
No, I don't think YOU get what she meant.

Had you heard her tone, she was wistfully wishing that our troops did, indeed, target reporters.
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Explain what is wrong with that.

Read Dalton Fury's book. Sometimes they get in the way and pop up where they hinder battles and compromise missions. Depending on the situation, I would absolutely and intentionally "take out" a reporter. They are not the eyes and ears of fairness and justice that we are all raised to believe.

http://www.amazon.com/Kill-Bin-Lade...7412/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1325578632&sr=8-3
 
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Bill Thompson said:
But according to Milton Freidman it is the kind of political ideas that the Democratic Liberals and the Obama Administration now has that is the illogical, irrational fantasy that is not accepting reality. Where is he wrong:
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That's easy, he is engaging in a fallacy known as a false dichotomy. We know empirically that there are many nations doing at least as well as us (and arguably much better) that are mixed economies. They all have UHC, strong social safety nets and lots of rich people who own Yachts, Jets, Mansions, etc. They don't have many multibillionaires but why is that important.
 
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Bill Thompson said:
I would absolutely and intentionally "take out" a reporter.
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Yeah, most people kind find ways to justify murder. I had one of THOSE kinda cousins. He used to always talk about killing politicians because ultimately they were responsible for the death of our soldiers. I always wondered if I would some day read about him shooting up some post office.
 
I thought I would make this post before I head off to bed.

It is not like it is a challenge to find examples of Liberal pundits exaggerating, misleading or lying. That is not the issue. The issue is this. I am telling you that every time, without fail, without exception, that I turn on Progressive Talk Radio, I hear logical fallacies and out-right lies.

Just from memory I can recant the last two times I happened to turn them on. The last time I listened to them, they were playing a speech by the president where Obama was talking about trickle-down economics. Obama said "the problem is, it does not work". Now the talk show guys fell into the same ditch that my Liberal cousins fall into. Obama, the Great One is just too damn smart to doubt. The radio guys repeated in reverent admiration " 'It does not work' ". THere were no elaboration (reminds me of you guys). There were no facts to back him up. (that logical fallacy is called "argument from authority" in case you don't know)

What is worse, there were also nothing to support the fact that any alternative works better. Obama's policies have been called Trickle Up Poverty. And the kind of (at best) quasi-socialist ideals that he has been using has been shown by history NOT to work. Remember his comment to Joe the Plummer "you gotta spread the wealth around". How is that NOT Marxist?

To me The RIght runs on greed whilst THe Left runs on Envy. Just by basic fundamental definition, Greed makes people work and Envy does not. The RIght is better.

OK now the second to the last time I was listening to the Progressive Radio they managed to dig up the absolutely most offensive comment that Rick Perry said about homosexuals. Sure noone, I would like to hope, could agree with that, but the Radio guys went on and on about how stupid he was. And they went into a rant that they could not believe he had ever been governor. THen it went from bad to worse when they assumed that it must be because he was from Texas. What the Liberals get away with is pretty shocking. But they are the good guys, right? They are the compassionate ones.

Then they went on to talk about Romney. They got the book of Abraham and the Book of Mormon mixed up. They talked about the traveling road show that Smith got the Book of Abraham from and they called it the Book of Mormon. It is a minor mistake but it was proof to me that they are just talking off the top of their head without doing any research.

I didn't record that program. I heard it in my car. I don't give a damn if you do not believe me. I have stacks of cassettes from other shows I have recorded. I just need to find a way to transfer them to wave files.

You wanted me to give some specific examples. I gave a couple now.
 
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