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Merged Kim Jong Il is dead / You must cry

Cleon said:
What's really creepy is that they're probably going to fill him full of formaldehyde and put him on display next to his dad.
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from the pictures it looks like they have already filled his son with lard.

I thought they were suppoesed to be starving?
 
Here's to hoping the Korean nuclear arsenal does not filter through to the hands of (even) less responsible individuals :(
 
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Cleon said:
What's really creepy is that they're probably going to fill him full of formaldehyde and put him on display next to his dad.
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Oh, I don't know.

Maybe they'll go for a funny pose this time.

Pitching a baseball, or tripping over the wire of the Christmas tree lights.
 
A Laughing Baby said:
I hate to break up the celebration and all, but Kim Jong-Un is likely to be the successor, lacking a junta takeover, and from what I've seen about him, he looks to be that particularly terrifying combination of sociopathic and spoiled to be something to worry about.
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I don't know he already seems to have the "looking at things" down pat: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-16253265
 
Cleon said:
I'm not sure that it is an enforced rule. The cult has been so thoroughly enforced over the years that it wouldn't surprise me if these people really are grief-stricken. The North Koreans venerate Kim il-Sung and Kim Jong-il to the point of godhood; the state is more of a theocracy than anything else.
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Bah. If I venerated someone as a god, I'd at least pick someone who's well-bodied... like Scarlett Johansson or something.
 
Belz... said:
Bah. If I venerated someone as a god, I'd at least pick someone who's well-bodied... like Scarlett Johansson or something.
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Venerate the immortal Empress.

Now that's a religion I can get behind.
 
Mark6 said:
Some more reasons:

Actually, that photo was taken after Ukraine gave up communism. Which makes it even better!
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The choreographed goose-stepping of the NK Army is impressive.
Why do so many dictatorships go for goose-stepping?
 
I wonder what would happen if the N-K dictatorship were to truly collapse.
There are millions of people living there who've been told from childhood that the Kim's are basically living gods, the only ones who give them the good life while all the rest of the world is FAR worse off than them.
Their skills mostly consist of praising the Kims, farming, combat and fullfilling empty pointless plans.

no more censorship would mean all those people would learn that their demigods lied to them all the time, that the objects of their veneration are objects of ridicule all over the world and that they are among the poorest and backward nations on the planet, living right next to one of the most profitable nations.

East germany was in an infinately better state both in general education and economy and they are still a backward area after 20 years of reunification. I can imagine south korea quietly hoping nothing will really change...
 
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The Fool said:
I thought they were suppoesed to be starving?
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TubbaBlubba said:
Yeah, and Kim Jong-Un is the reason.
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I know the dude's chubby, but let's not go crazy!
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Although they won't express it openly, I think it must not sit well with a lot of North Koreans that in a country where so many are literally starving, their new leader is as chubby as he is.

http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/57422000/jpg/_57422724_northkoreaobitkim_logi.jpg
 
I Ratant said:
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The choreographed goose-stepping of the NK Army is impressive.
Why do so many dictatorships go for goose-stepping?
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Not sure, but my guess is that robotic and unnatural gait of rows and rows of soldiers emphasizes how completely their minds are subjugated devoted to The Cause/The Revolution/The People/The whatever. It shows the dictator, and anyone else who watches, just how complete his control is.
Puppycow said:
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/picture.php?albumid=200&pictureid=5314[/qimg]
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I thought these swords looked wooden, but then I saw reflection of the nearest girl's leg in her sword. So it is metal after all.
 
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I Ratant said:
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I'm gonna go with.... "You better show public grief!!!!!!!!!!!".
Watching the unanimous clapping going on at those stadiums, -everyone- is clapping.... That's fear.
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I dunno. Having seen the vast emotional incontinence that swept the UK following the death of Diana I find it easy to believe that large numbers of North Koreans might be truly emotional.



As an aside, I remember when Kim's Dad, Kim Sr., died and the North Koreans displayed mass hysterical mourning, I thought "wow, that would never happen here". Then, shortly afterwards Diana died... and the UK dramatically lost its stiff upper lip and threw a complete wobbly.
 
I was told by my parents that when Stalin died, many people in USSR cried out of fear what would happen without him. They really thought of him as Protector in harsh and hostile world. Quote I remember: "What will happen now? For whom will people fight and die? Beria? Malenkov? Nobody will die for Malenkov!"
 
Lukraak_Sisser said:
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East germany was in an infinately better state both in general education and economy and they are still a backward area after 20 years of reunification. I can imagine south korea quietly hoping nothing will really change...
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Really?
When we went through East Berlin in 1952, it looked like WWII had ended yesterday, while the American, British and French sectors were clean and modern.
The Wall and all those border fences with the guards that shot to kill weren't there to keep desperate Westerners -out-!
 
Giz said:
I dunno. Having seen the vast emotional incontinence that swept the UK following the death of Diana I find it easy to believe that large numbers of North Koreans might be truly emotional.
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I believe it also. The people that have managed to get into NK generally report that some people seem genuinely loving of 'dear leader', as have NK escapees.

OTOH, look at those videos. When is the last time you saw people dutifully file into rows, and then burst into tears? The history of the nation is filled with the citizens in Pyongyang 'spontaneously' demonstrating their love for 'dear leader'. And of those refusing suddenly disappearing, along with a generation or two of their family behind and ahead of them. This is all well researched and reported - you make public spectacles on demand, or are never heard from again. It is required that you hang portraits of Kim & father, bow to them, and not hang anything else on that wall. If someone reports that you have been disrespectful - you disappear. As a tourist, if you take a picture of the endless pictures and statues of dear leader, you may have your camera confiscated if you don't do it 'correctly' - you know, he is not in the center, or you pose in front, or something. You, as a tourist, will be required to bow to the statues that you visit. Everyone in the country is required to wear a pin with Kim Il Sung. Children in Pyongyang, rather than receiving a normal education, are trained for hours every day to sing songs, do acrobatics, etc., all to venerate and entertain 'Dear Leader'. This is all referred to as Juche, which is basically the state religion of venerating the leaders as Gods.


So, ya, some people are genuinely sad. But if you don't cry in public, don't expect to be seen in public anymore.

edit: this video is as good as any to support my claims. Hoever, there are other excellent documentaries showing similar things.
 
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