Occupy Wall Street Violence...

[Hallo Alfie]

What undeserved sense of entitlement? Do you know something I don't know (apparently you like to believe that you do)?

I'll wait.

I suspect I know lots and lots of things you don't.

I just work on the premise that if you are siding (so to speak) with the occupy infants you hold the similar values. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

 

[dc1971]

So you want to treat people like crap and expect them to just cop it.
You might like to learn the phrase: "You get more flies with honey than vinegar" as well as attending some anger management therapy to learn the difference between aggressive and assertive.

I will take that under advisement. As for following through now that's another story!

I don't know where you get that I'm treating people like crap (other than maybe the way I talk to YOU here on JREF). If I'm dealing with someone who's job it is to deal with people professionally, then they should do just that. There is no job where you're hired to be an *******!

The problem is yours, no-one elses. And change is possible.

Huh?

So if a cop has an ******* attitude, that's MY problem then?

 

[dc1971]

I suspect I know lots and lots of things you don't.

That's your opinion.

I just work on the premise that if you are siding (so to speak) with the occupy infants you hold the similar values. I might be wrong, but I doubt it.

Aaaaaand where did I say I was siding with the Occupiers?

 

[dc1971]

I doubt it: I support peaceful protests and have even been involved in a few. But these infants think they can misbehave and there are no consequences: Selfish, infantile and idiotic. What's more they don't even seem to know what they are protesting about.

Actually, I like that people keep saying that. That's become a Fox News talking point. "They don't know what they're protesting"... I have made several points about this in other areas of the forum but I guess I will have to reiterate...

The Occupiers are protesting EXACTLY what the tea party started doing before Sarah Palin, Fox News, and Dick Armey get a hold of them. They were against any further taxation, they protested corporate greed, corporate entitlements, and called for transparency in government and on wall street.

I'm one of those who believes the Occupiers and the Tea Party should work together for a common goal and stop the nit-picking.

Then again, people like you are so quick to nit-pick people like me that you don't really care about the big picture.

'Nuff said.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

I don't know where you get that I'm treating people like crap (other than maybe the way I talk to YOU here on JREF). If I'm dealing with someone who's job it is to deal with people professionally, then they should do just that. There is no job where you're hired to be an *******!

If you have to be calmed down after "yelling in their ear", then that suggests to me that you are not treating them respectfully (i.e. you are treating them like crap).

So if a cop has an ******* attitude, that's MY problem then?

No. If you start with an attitude of hostility (a la your phone example) and you get repaid in kind, then that is your problem.

Aaaaaand where did I say I was siding with the Occupiers?

Where did you say you weren't?
It seems pretty obvious where our respective opinions lie. But if I have this wrong, please let me know.

Actually, I like that people keep saying that. That's become a Fox News talking point. "They don't know what they're protesting"... I have made several points about this in other areas of the forum but I guess I will have to reiterate...

About the Occupy Melbourne morons? You will have to show me what they thought they were protesting about because nothing I heard from them made sense.

I'm one of those who believes the Occupiers and the Tea Party should work together for a common goal and stop the nit-picking.

What's a tea party?

Then again, people like you are so quick to nit-pick people like me that you don't really care about the big picture.

No nit picks here just my opinions. I think you are reflecting a little actually; it might be that in built hostility you seem to have and can't change.

'Nuff said.

Excellent! I take it from that you are going to be silent? One can only hope.

 

[dc1971]

If you have to be calmed down after "yelling in their ear", then that suggests to me that you are not treating them respectfully (i.e. you are treating them like crap).

If I'm upset about something, I might yell. Most of the time I don't. But if you get me angry, then YES, the situation will escalate to that level.

Thus, wrap your brain around this and wait for it... if I call a customer service help center and I have a problem with a service, product, or any consumer item, I should expect a certain level of respect. If someone tells me "I have other customers to deal with", I am going to say "they can wait" because I feel I have a legitimate gripe at that point. If someone even goes so far as to say "I'm wasting their time" then it's on like Donkey Kong!

If I bring a complaint to someone who claims to be professional then they should be JUST THAT - professional. They should not be like someone in your fantasy world of brute and cocksure!

No. If you start with an attitude of hostility (a la your phone example) and you get repaid in kind, then that is your problem.

Well maybe in Australia, yes.

Where did you say you weren't?

Gee, I can come up with these arguments all day.

About the Occupy Melbourne morons? You will have to show me what they thought they were protesting about because nothing I heard from them made sense.

I guess I'm supposed to be a broken record tonight because I have posted this elsewhere in the forum. You will have to click my user name, pal. I'm somewhat tired right now and I keep correcting my fatigued-dyslexic typing!

What's a tea party?

Do a search here on the forum, you'll find out.

No nit picks here just my opinions. I think you are reflecting a little actually; it might be that in built hostility you seem to have and can't change.

No reflecting at all. Just recording what I observe.

Excellent! I take it from that you are going to be silent? One can only hope.

One can only wish, My new Aussie Chum!

 

[Hallo Alfie]

If I'm upset about something, I might yell. Most of the time I don't. But if you get me angry, then YES, the situation will escalate to that level.

Meh.
The way you described it was as you being aggressive first. If you don't like people being rude I would suggest you start with respect. Lowly paid telephone operators take crap from your kind all day and they aren't paid enough for it imo.

Thus, wrap your brain around this and wait for it... if I call a customer service help center and I have a problem with a service, product, or any consumer item, I should expect a certain level of respect.

I agree. Do you think they deserve the same respect you expect?

What was it I said about an undeserved sense of entitlement earlier. You want respect but don't give it.

Case closed.

If someone tells me "I have other customers to deal with", I am going to say "they can wait" because I feel I have a legitimate gripe at that point. If someone even goes so far as to say "I'm wasting their time" then it's on like Donkey Kong!

Moving of goalposts noted.

If I bring a complaint to someone who claims to be professional then they should be JUST THAT - professional.

Sow what you reap comes to mind for some reason.

Well maybe in Australia, yes.

I'm pretty sure that common courtesy isn't dead yet.

Just recording what I observe.

Me too: And I have observed the Occupy morons to be selfish, arrogant, rude and angry with an undeserved sense of entitlement.

Sound like anyone you know?

 

[000063]

To bring this a little more back on point, we do have evidence of at least one criminal conspiracy on the party of the teatards from the Gladney affair. We have random acts of violence at OWS and related events.

Worry more about the coordinated and well-funded trouble makers.

Please, present this evidence so we can discuss it. It seems pertinent to this thread.

 

[carlitos]

After watching several videos related to OWS violence and following the trails of people who like to complain about such trivial nonsense as "littering in the streets", "improper hygiene", and what real "losers" these people are, I have noticed a pattern in the violence and I'm sure this won't stomach too well with the pro-cop/authoritarian/sanctimonious-wanna-be types here.

Most of these videos show law enforcement and police officers actually inciting violence with the protesters.

Rather than posting anecdotes about customer service, DUI checkpoints and the US/Canadian border , the OP could list the videos he/she viewed, and demonstrate that >50% of them show the police "inciting violence." How about something even better, some kind of quantitative analysis of the violence at these protests and who started each bit?

 

[dc1971]

Rather than posting anecdotes about customer service, DUI checkpoints and the US/Canadian border , the OP could list the videos he/she viewed, and demonstrate that >50% of them show the police "inciting violence." How about something even better, some kind of quantitative analysis of the violence at these protests and who started each bit?

Of course, it was Alfie who decided to derail this thread, not me!

 

[carlitos]

The first couple of posts in this thread essentially asked for evidence for your claim. It's now post #71, and I haven't seen any. (I kind of skipped over the bickering, no worries)

Does "of course" mean that you will now go find some evidence and provide it?

 

[WildCat]

An old high school buddy I know has a brother in law who is a cop and likes to brag about how long it's been since he's had a fight on the job. There is another old high school acquaintance from my past who feels it's great that he can be rude to people and they can't do anything about it because they'll end up in prison if they do. Needless to say, I haven't talked to either of these goofs since learning of their insecurities.

I guess my point is that, from my experience the type of person who becomes a cop is someone who feels they will have a career giving them a license to be a jackass. I understand, not all are like that but I have yet to meet someone who is totally polar opposite.

It's so hard to argue with such well-presented and researched data, it's not at all like you've been butthurt by 2 acquaintances who happen to be cops and so now you're projecting your anger and insecurities on all cops.

 

[dc1971]

The first couple of posts in this thread essentially asked for evidence for your claim. It's now post #71, and I haven't seen any. (I kind of skipped over the bickering, no worries)

Does "of course" mean that you will now go find some evidence and provide it?

Maybe you should ask Alfie. Put some emphasis on whether he will derail this thread if I do take the time to offer up any evidence or am I going to have to keep repeating myself?

 

[dc1971]

It's so hard to argue with such well-presented and researched data, it's not at all like you've been butthurt by 2 acquaintances who happen to be cops and so now you're projecting your anger and insecurities on all cops.

YEP!

THAT'S WHAT I'M DOING WILDCAT!

YOU GOT ME... WOAH!!

 

[000063]

WildCat's point, though perhaps needlessly sardonic, was essentially correct. You're basing your opinion of the hundreds of thousands of LEOs in the US on two cops you know personally. And then you used that as an illustration, meaning you think they are representative. Once bias sets in, one rationalizes away counterexamples and only acknowledges examples.

Heck, I even showed how the UC Davis video, which has exactly what you describe in the OP, was edited to omit relevant information, which just happened to make the cops look better and make it clear the "peaceful protestors" were there to obstruct police and confront them, not to protest at all. If that video was edited to make the cops look like the aggressors, that means any video you've watched which shows the police inciting violence could've and might've been edited in the same way, especially if it's from the same movement.

 

[carlitos]

Maybe you should ask Alfie. Put some emphasis on whether he will derail this thread if I do take the time to offer up any evidence or am I going to have to keep repeating myself?

You providing evidence for your claim has nothing to do with other posters.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

You providing evidence for your claim has nothing to do with other posters.

Indeed.
It is however more evidence of a lack of self responsibility, ownership and the victim mentality that we see in the occupy protestors.

The stereotypes just keep on being confirmed, don't they?

 

[dc1971]

WildCat's point, though perhaps needlessly sardonic, was essentially correct. You're basing your opinion of the hundreds of thousands of LEOs in the US on two cops you know personally.

Nope. That's not what I'm basing it on... read what I said to FMW again.

Two cops being goofballs (actually three if you want to include the customs agent experience) are examples right off the top of my head. There's more... but really, how much will you guys even care to listen or read?

However if you want me to go on citing examples about other people I know who are cops and other specific encounters, which includes family members, I will.

 

[dc1971]

You providing evidence for your claim has nothing to do with other posters.

Well being that I was in the process of citing examples and providing back up to my claims, only to be sidetracked by Alfie THEN ACTUALLY YES, it does have something OF A LOT to do with other posters! Specifically Alfie!

 

[dc1971]

Okay... Examples... since it's so hard to do a search on YOUR OWN computer...







Why do you need 3 guys holding this guy down?





Are you pro-cop wanna-bes happy now? I provided links to videos!

Now, how about we discuss?