Occupy Wall Street Violence...

[respect]

Do you have any evidence I have not seen from Melbourne or UC Davis? Or are you just anti-cop, in general?

Keep in mind that you are talking to a guy who believes in Alex Jones FEMA camp conspiracy theory nonsense.

 

[Foolmewunz]

Ah, thanks, respect. I thought I was engaging someone sane in a discussion. I didn't realize the poster in question starts threads with commentaries from Lew The Slimebucket Rockwell and believe in Alex Show Me the Money Jones.


ETA: I generally check out a poster's history before engaging. Should've done so.

 

[bynmdsue]

From the Seattle kerfuffle Monday.
http://www.myfoxspokane.com/videobeta/647817c4-d17d-4020-adb6-88096a916f18/News/POLICE-RESPOND-TO-PORT-PROTEST
There may very well be a peaceful way to hurl brickbats. This probably isn't it tho.

 

[dc1971]

Ah, thanks, respect. I thought I was engaging someone sane in a discussion. I didn't realize the poster in question starts threads with commentaries from Lew The Slimebucket Rockwell and believe in Alex Show Me the Money Jones.


ETA: I generally check out a poster's history before engaging. Should've done so.

You should also keep in mind, foolmewunz, that there are a good handful of pro-authority, pro-cop, cop-wanna-bes here on JREF! Some of them even like to post comments as though they're typing an arrest report - that is how wanna-be they are!

 

[leftysergeant]

Not in the two instances I witnessed. In fact in one of them, there was a chance police officers could have been badly hurt by the actions of these men.

We hear from time to time stories of undercover police taking an active roll in generating riots, but who really knows

In some places you also have to worry about white nationalists and various anarchist types tagging along and creating incidents to rile the cops just so that there will be an incident that convinces people that the state has decided to crush all protests.

In both instances I saw - as well as some footage I have seen in European protests, the instigators seemed to melt into the crowd and disapear once the violence begins.

European anarchists and Nazis seem a little more vicious than our lot of them. Some of the more reactionary governments in Europe are experts at infiltrating and subverting legitimate protests to make them look like enemies of the state.

 

[MG1962]

In some places you also have to worry about white nationalists and various anarchist types tagging along and creating incidents to rile the cops just so that there will be an incident that convinces people that the state has decided to crush all protests.

Absolutely and I am not suggesting every outbreak of violence at protests are provocateurs in action, but for people to keep the thought in the back of their minds

European anarchists and Nazis seem a little more vicious than our lot of them. Some of the more reactionary governments in Europe are experts at infiltrating and subverting legitimate protests to make them look like enemies of the state.

Although far less numerous skinheads in Australia had a reputation for extreme violence - if you get a chance have a look at the film Romper Stomper for a good examination of the lifestyle.

I had friends caught up in riots in Paris during the late 80's - The French riot police were exceptionally brutal in their actions. Throwing protesters through plate glass windows with little repercussion or provocation seemed to be the norm. It was suggested soldiers too unbalanced to be in the army were transfered to that division of the French police force

 

[Hallo Alfie]

From the Seattle kerfuffle Monday.
http://www.myfoxspokane.com/videobeta/647817c4-d17d-4020-adb6-88096a916f18/News/POLICE-RESPOND-TO-PORT-PROTEST
There may very well be a peaceful way to hurl brickbats. This probably isn't it tho.

Those poor protesters. No doubt they hurt their poor widdle hands throwing projectiles at the police who were just doing their job in moving them on. Those protesters had every right to expect the police to do nothing in the face of such peaceful, non provocative resistance.

Ghandi would applaud loudly at their efforts.

 

[dc1971]

Those poor protesters. No doubt they hurt their poor widdle hands throwing projectiles at the police who were just doing their job in moving them on.

And you just happen to know exactly what their job is, eh?

Enjoying your Typing Arrest Records Hobby?

 

[dc1971]

Those poor protesters. No doubt they hurt their poor widdle hands throwing projectiles at the police who were just doing their job in moving them on. Those protesters had every right to expect the police to do nothing in the face of such peaceful, non provocative resistance.

Ghandi would applaud loudly at their efforts.

Hey, there were wanna-bes such as yourself around the time of Ghandi. They made these same types of comments about him. And I'm sure if Ghandi were around today, you would probably be making the same comments.

Now go back to typing more arrest records!

 

[Orphia Nay]

Did you actually go down and witness this, first hand? Or is this from the media or YouTube? Because those latter would probably be available for us to view and judge for ourselves and the former would not have precluded you taking pictures or videos yourself.

Thus, to cut to the chase,... Why should we hear you out? At best, it's anecdotal.

I didn't ask the OP because he said where he'd gotten his information and you did not. I was curious as to whether you were an armchair critic or actually took the time and trouble to go check it out for yourself. And you've confirmed the former. As I said, why should I hear you out? You have no better sources than the OP. The OP has one opinion and you have another and you both got your information from media and YouTube.

I detect a conspiracy theory or OWS inferiority complex there, FMW.

 

[Brainster]

You should also keep in mind, foolmewunz, that there are a good handful of pro-authority, pro-cop, cop-wanna-bes here on JREF! Some of them even like to post comments as though they're typing an arrest report - that is how wanna-be they are!

Book him, Dano!

 

[dc1971]

Book him, Dano!

Hawaiian Lunch!

 

[Foolmewunz]

I detect a conspiracy theory or OWS inferiority complex there, FMW.

Naah, I'm looking at track records and I know that both of the posters in question bring their own biases to their posts - as we all do, really. I happen to be closer to siding with DC on the support of OWS, but I think the demonizing of the cops is wrong.

Those that know my personal history may think I've mellowed. I haven't. I still support the demonstrator side of this and I may not personally be into civil disobedience any longer (hell, I'm too old for those drafty holding cells) I support those who honestly favor that route. SHORT OF CAUSING BODILY INJURY and presuming that they are prepared to pay the price, do the time, whatever.

I haven't had time and there's not enough information in yet to absorb Portland, but it looks a lot like the Oakland situation - the demonstrators pushed the buttons and got pushed back. I support their goals, and as I said, I can even understand their tactics and if they're willing to pay the price for civil disobedience, I'm cool with that, too. But ponces like the kid in the news video who talk like meek little lambs and are then seen on film out there screaming and pushing and agitating (I see no evidence he threw anything or struck anyone, but I only viewed the video once)? Well, they ought to just own up to what they're up to. Period. "I'm here to cause a ruckus and get the word out and if I have to go all Danny The Red to do it, I will."

 

[332nd]

Based on some things I saw here in Australia, it was the Occupy groups that basically ask for it. Now before you attack me, hear me out. I am not sure what happened elsewhere but here, the protesters were asked to leave and the organisers were given official notification - official in terms of a legal order of eviction. They were warned and warned again that they would be physically removed and/or arrested should they not move on by the deadline.
Deadlines passed and final notices were issued.

When the police finally came to enforce the law there was resistance by the protesters. The police are entitled to both defend themselves and enforce the law which is what they were doing.

If the Occupy twits got a boo boo because they were breaking the law, "too bad" says I.

A lot of people probably said the same thing about grandma back in 65.

 

[leftysergeant]

To bring this a little more back on point, we do have evidence of at least one criminal conspiracy on the party of the teatards from the Gladney affair. We have random acts of violence at OWS and related events.

Worry more about the coordinated and well-funded trouble makers.

 

[dc1971]

Naah, I'm looking at track records and I know that both of the posters in question bring their own biases to their posts - as we all do, really. I happen to be closer to siding with DC on the support of OWS, but I think the demonizing of the cops is wrong.

Those that know my personal history may think I've mellowed. I haven't. I still support the demonstrator side of this and I may not personally be into civil disobedience any longer (hell, I'm too old for those drafty holding cells) I support those who honestly favor that route. SHORT OF CAUSING BODILY INJURY and presuming that they are prepared to pay the price, do the time, whatever.

I haven't had time and there's not enough information in yet to absorb Portland, but it looks a lot like the Oakland situation - the demonstrators pushed the buttons and got pushed back. I support their goals, and as I said, I can even understand their tactics and if they're willing to pay the price for civil disobedience, I'm cool with that, too. But ponces like the kid in the news video who talk like meek little lambs and are then seen on film out there screaming and pushing and agitating (I see no evidence he threw anything or struck anyone, but I only viewed the video once)? Well, they ought to just own up to what they're up to. Period. "I'm here to cause a ruckus and get the word out and if I have to go all Danny The Red to do it, I will."

My point is, yes, I disagree with anyone who would push someone's buttons in order to cause any further rage. I can cite smaller situations where I'm on the phone with customer service of (fill in the blank) company and instead of calming me down after yelling in their ear, they feel it's time for a fight so they say something that sparks the whole situation to go haywire such as "You're going to pay this whether you want to or not, pal!" or "The Amish live without electricity" - it just sickens me when people are conditioned to carry this type of attitude with them when their role is to be professional and calm what situation might be problematic.

I can cite a very recent situation with a police officer that was very pleasant and very professional. As much as I raise an eyebrow to DUI checkpoints, I was caught in one and the officer was very pleasant, cracking jokes (bad jokes but he was trying), and just explained that they were handing out literature about how drinking and driving can cost "more than just money". I wasn't uncomfortable, nor was I intimidated. It took 30 seconds max and I was on my way.

Compare that to Customs officers at the Canadian border. Most are walking around with chips on their shoulders, they don't smile, they create a very unpleasant atmosphere, and they were rude with me last time I had to deal with them at an airport. As I approached the counter, I placed my bags on top of the table and the officer YELLS "DID I TELL YOU TO PUT THAT THERE?" I said no, and removed the bag. He didn't need to talk to me that way. I wanted to respond by saying "Good afternoon to you too, officer" but I'm sure that would have diminished the what small amount of humor this guy had left so I just brushed it off and proceeded to the "interrogation" room where they rooted through my belongings. That made me uncomfortable but it had to be done. The jackass at the check-in counter only created more of a tense situation that didn't need to be.

An old high school buddy I know has a brother in law who is a cop and likes to brag about how long it's been since he's had a fight on the job. There is another old high school acquaintance from my past who feels it's great that he can be rude to people and they can't do anything about it because they'll end up in prison if they do. Needless to say, I haven't talked to either of these goofs since learning of their insecurities.

I guess my point is that, from my experience the type of person who becomes a cop is someone who feels they will have a career giving them a license to be a jackass. I understand, not all are like that but I have yet to meet someone who is totally polar opposite.

This is why I demonize cops. Sorry if it offends but that's the way I am and it's situations like these mentioned that have put me there.

 

[dc1971]

To bring this a little more back on point, we do have evidence of at least one criminal conspiracy on the party of the teatards from the Gladney affair. We have random acts of violence at OWS and related events.

Worry more about the coordinated and well-funded trouble makers.

The problem with the tea party is that their original message was drastically side tracked by the likes of various corporations, Fox News and their fact-less talking points, as well as support from the likes of Sarah Palin, Christine O'Donnell, and Dick Armey!

They [tea party] were fed up with corporate greed, non-accountability on Wall Street, the housing bubble, and government/corporate corruption as are the Occupiers. Both have turned into an ugly three ring circus.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

And you just happen to know exactly what their job is, eh?

Yep.

Enjoying your Typing Arrest Records Hobby?

No need, I already send reports to our courts and Magistrates after they have been charged and processed.

Hey, there were wanna-bes such as yourself around the time of Ghandi. They made these same types of comments about him. And I'm sure if Ghandi were around today, you would probably be making the same comments.

I doubt it: I support peaceful protests and have even been involved in a few. But these infants think they can misbehave and there are no consequences: Selfish, infantile and idiotic. What's more they don't even seem to know what they are protesting about.

Now go back to typing more arrest records!

No probs. And you can go back to your sooking and undeserved sense of entitlement.

 

[dc1971]

Yep.



No need, I already send reports to our courts and Magistrates after they have been charged and processed.



I doubt it: I support peaceful protests and have even been involved in a few. But these infants think they can misbehave and there are no consequences: Selfish, infantile and idiotic. What's more they don't even seem to know what they are protesting about.



No probs. And you can go back to your sooking and undeserved sense of entitlement.

What undeserved sense of entitlement? Do you know something I don't know (apparently you like to believe that you do)?

I'll wait.

 

[Hallo Alfie]

My point is, yes, I disagree with anyone who would push someone's buttons in order to cause any further rage. I can cite smaller situations where I'm on the phone with customer service of (fill in the blank) company and instead of calming me down after yelling in their ear, they feel it's time for a fight so they say something that sparks the whole situation to go haywire such as "You're going to pay this whether you want to or not, pal!" or "The Amish live without electricity" - it just sickens me when people are conditioned to carry this type of attitude with them when their role is to be professional and calm what situation might be problematic.

So you want to treat people like crap and expect them to just cop it.
You might like to learn the phrase: "You get more flies with honey than vinegar" as well as attending some anger management therapy to learn the difference between aggressive and assertive.

I guess my point is that, from my experience the type of person who becomes a cop is someone who feels they will have a career giving them a license to be a jackass. I understand, not all are like that but I have yet to meet someone who is totally polar opposite.

This is why I demonize cops. Sorry if it offends but that's the way I am.

The problem is yours, no-one elses. And change is possible.