How many weeks until another "Kent State"

[Magyar]

Nother interesting article to this point - While without knowing the full details of the womens previous criminal history the articles discription of her seems a little bleeding heart,. But the point IS valid. She commits fruad for a few grand pays everything back and end get the max. The wall street slime don't pay anything back, don't go to jail AND get to keep their millions from their golden parachutes and we get to pay the bill.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politic...-wall-street-fraudsters-get-bailouts-20111117

 

[Darth Rotor]

Does retired or nearly retired grandpa/grandma (who paid fica & medical many years) vs grandkids (spoiled) work for you?

As a first layer approximation, yes, sort of, but I'd like to go a few slides deeper into the briefing.

I am not convinced that only the young adults are involved in OWS and O wherever else.

 

[Muldur]

Could you expand on that thought please?

A comprehensive version would take hours to type, but in general the Tea Partiers come from the fringe Right/Libertarian wing of the Conservative movement. For them government is at best an occasionally necessary evil, and even then is to be rigidly restricted in it's scope and reach. Individual achievement is for them the result and engine of all social progress and nothing should be allowed to interfere with that. The duty of all persons is to stay out of the way of others' opportunities to achieve, even if that achievement is dangerous to the greater public good.

The Occupiers come out of the political Left to varying degrees. Government for them is the instrument by which society regulates itself and is a key component in social progress. It has the legal and moral authority to do what it needs to do to that end. Individual achievement is something of a misnomer, as no one in a modern society/economy is completely and solely capable of and/or responsible for their achievements. Therefore it is the duty of people to actively aid others via government to ensure progress for society as a whole as well as individual members.

 

[Muldur]

Does retired or nearly retired grandpa/grandma (who paid fica & medical many years) vs grandkids (spoiled) work for you?

No, because it's not true. Several demographic studies have shown the Occupiers to be a very diverse lot in terms of age, economic status, etc.

 

[geni]

As a first layer approximation, yes, sort of, but I'd like to go a few slides deeper into the briefing.

I am not convinced that only the young adults are involved in OWS and O wherever else.

Not seeing much in the way of older groups involved on the ground. Particularly once you remove the usual suspects who have been on every remotely left wing protest since 1958.

The tea party were able to form a fairly close affinity with the republicans. Or realistically they always were republicans. The OWS are democracy and left wing fringe. So different political backgrounds

Different media backgrounds. The tea party mob are very much fox news viewers. The OWS mob have a wider media background.

Different global perspective. Other than a very very minor event in Australia tea party was US only. Occupy has a greater level of global involvement.

Tea party blames politicans for everything. OWS has a wider set of targets.

Different economic aims. The tea party tend towards wanting to hang onto what they've got. The lower age of the OWS mob mean that they are more interested in being able to improve their lot.

Different histories. Tea party are fairly recent and ultimately derived from a fairly successful astroturfing attempt. OWS seem to have their roots in the anti globalisation protests.

Personaly I doubt the two groups have enough in common to hold a rational conversation let alone have shared political goals.

Heh of course the more paranoid would conclude that the Tea party=OWS is an attempt to dilute both brands by those in positions of media influcence who feel that they have gone far enough. Possible although I suspect a fair bit of it is driven by intellectual speculation hopping for shock value.

 

[Muldur]

I am not convinced that only the young adults are involved in OWS and O wherever else.

And you are correct.

http://theweek.com/article/index/220529/the-demographics-of-occupy-wall-street-by-the-numbers

http://idealab.talkingpointsmemo.co...ographic-survey-results-will-surprise-you.php

http://www.bagnewsnotes.com/2011/10/occupy-demographics-dirty-hippies/ (the thread link wordage is intended ironically)

 

[bikerdruid]

Do you go out of your way to dehumanize people as a conscious habit, or is there some other reason?

Tourette's, perhaps?

Pigs!!??



lol!!!!


Fight the power!!!

'police officers' who use excessive force and go out of their way to inflict pain on peaceful, unarmed protestors are, quite simply 'pigs'.

any questions?

 

[Cain]

My guess is that by picking up most of their own trash they didn't piss off the local authorities as badly as this latest group. I've seen a lot of commentary on "why aren't the tea party sorts and Occupy sorts making common cause?" There is some common ground ... but perhaps not enough.

Thanks for the reply; I'm genuinely curious as to why there are differences. Most crime is committed by people in their teens and twenties. By their thirties most people mellow out a bit. Maybe the police feel they can push around Occupiers, maybe Occupiers are a rowdier bunch. But then you hear stories about an 84 year-old man pepper-sprayed.


I just wish I was in the top 1%. Then I'd totally register Republican.

 

[ponderingturtle]

Why didn't the Tea Party protesters suffer the wrath of the police? Is it because gun-loving middle-aged white guys are more peaceful?

Probably because they did not stay protesting for very long.

 

[ponderingturtle]

No, because it's not true. Several demographic studies have shown the Occupiers to be a very diverse lot in terms of age, economic status, etc.

My mom has some retired friends who enjoy going down there to recapture their youth.

 

[Travis]

Of course the police didn't brutalize the Tea Partiers. Why brutalize people who basically are asking for the people who already control everything to control it even more?

 

[applecorped]

Cops are part of the 1% now?

 

[applecorped]

'police officers' who use excessive force and go out of their way to inflict pain on peaceful, unarmed protestors are, quite simply 'pigs'.

any questions?

George Harrison wrote a song about the Occupiers:

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all those little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.

And in their sties with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
And in their eyes there's something lacking
What they needs a damn good whacking.

​

 

[epepke]

A comprehensive version would take hours to type, but in general the Tea Partiers come from the fringe Right/Libertarian wing of the Conservative movement. For them government is at best an occasionally necessary evil, and even then is to be rigidly restricted in it's scope and reach. Individual achievement is for them the result and engine of all social progress and nothing should be allowed to interfere with that. The duty of all persons is to stay out of the way of others' opportunities to achieve, even if that achievement is dangerous to the greater public good.

The Occupiers come out of the political Left to varying degrees. Government for them is the instrument by which society regulates itself and is a key component in social progress. It has the legal and moral authority to do what it needs to do to that end. Individual achievement is something of a misnomer, as no one in a modern society/economy is completely and solely capable of and/or responsible for their achievements. Therefore it is the duty of people to actively aid others via government to ensure progress for society as a whole as well as individual members.

That's a good summary for two paragraphs, and of course it cannot be comprehensive. I would just like to point out that I have also seen a feeling that conservatives have betrayed conservative values. I frequently see OWS sympathizers displaying quotes from Ronald Reagan, Dwight D. Eisenhower, and other notable conservatives of the past.

Many will no doubt dismiss this as cheap rhetoric, but I find that a mistake. There was a sense that Americans were lucky to have an environment that permitted easy growth of business, and that the governance of the United States was largely responsible for that. Eisenhower defended high tax rates by saying that business people had unusually good opportunities in the US, and that they should be responsible for paying for it.

 

[leftysergeant]

George Harrison wrote a song about the Occupiers:

Have you seen the little piggies
Crawling in the dirt
And for all those little piggies
Life is getting worse
Always having dirt to play around in.

And in their sties with all their backing
They don't care what goes on around
And in their eyes there's something lacking
What they needs a damn good whacking.

​

Nice lie by ommission.

 

[Valkyrie144]

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[IDB87]

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In before removed.

While I can appreciate the claims of police brutality, were the police at least right in attempting to remove the protesters encampment from the campus of UC Davis?

 

[epepke]

In before removed.

While I can appreciate the claims of police brutality, were the police at least right in attempting to remove the protesters encampment from the campus of UC Davis?

Define "encampment." According to Shannon Giamichaels (?), who was pepper sprayed, all the tents were down by the time the pepper spraying started.

 

[JihadJane]

'police officers' who use excessive force and go out of their way to inflict pain on peaceful, unarmed protestors are, quite simply 'pigs'.

any questions?

What is gained from denying their humanity?

Organized, political violence is a quintessentially human behavior.

 

[bikerdruid]

What is gained from denying their humanity?

Organized, political violence is a quintessentially human behavior.

true....but i like to call 'em as i see 'em.