You may be waiting a long time. On my site and related ones, we've argued the Galileo case and there are still people on both sides.
John McCain is still a convicted war criminal according the Vietnamese.
Eh, as long as it is relegated to the fringes I mean. Hopefully that will come in time. It appears our good friends down the
Rabbit Hole are trying to position themselves as a 'victim's rights' group, and the likes of Bill O'Reilly, Wendy Murphy and Ann Coulter have accepted some of their lunacy and promoted it. You are aware they send out 'press kits' and have gotten a number of citations already? From Barbara Nadeau and Andrea Vogt, and the Washington Post cited Maundy Gregory a week or so ago who's a member of that site and does nothing but try to temporize the nonsense promoted by them and TJMK.
Do you think this a positive development or one that ought to be contested?
No its part of the game. By appealing and losing they never have to admit wrong doing. If they didn't appeal, that would raise questions.
I meant confronting Giulia Buongiorno as a group shouting 'shame' and I think they might have even thrown something, details were unclear. As for the media some of them looked a little shook up by the 'protesters.' There was even a report Mignini himself got the treatment. I'm just thinking that's awfully arrogant of the police union, and might not sit well with some.
Come on. This is a criminal court, what in the rumors would shock a criminal court judge? The defendant before her (example not literal) regularly rapes his 9 year old step daughter and the police discovered this when they found the explosive chemicals he was leaving all over the house from his meth lab. The police had to make up lies about Amanda, because she was so squeaky clean; most of the people they deal with aren't.
I think maybe you live too close to Newark!
At any rate my point is they were probably not exactly a friendly welcoming crowd and it was her first time before them, thus her stammering might well have been more related to that than any sign of deception. The combination of the Mark I eyeball and eardrum as a lie detector is less reliable than the electronic one in my opinion, which is why I take them into account but reserve judgment.
With Mignini in the CNN interview I knew enough of the case and the circumstances thus I knew he was lying when he was, and I simply enjoyed watching the little slug
squirm having to face tough questions and actually have to deal with rebuttals such as with the Douglas Preston interrogation which he tried to minimize.
I believe she wasn't coached nearly enough by her defense lawyers. Not speaking Italian and her frustration with the interpreters, that comes through (from both sides) might be the reason her statement sucks. On the other hand she might have been convicted for 1st degree murder if she had made a clear statement of duress. Or she might have been shanked and left to bleed out. I'm sure Mignini has pull inside the jail as well.
Wayyyyy too close to Newark!
I've wondered about that, (not the shanking--yikes!) Mignini having some pull inside the prison, especially with the Aviello debacle. Did you follow that little tangent? That's just another reason they could make a black comedy of this case. Incidentally it also suggested you might well have been right regarding the cause of his two front teeth missing.
I'm going to save and trim this argument. Lets do the hash one below. I think you still have the basic problem of how that level of memory distortion happens that quickly.
Considering the conditions, I don't think convincing her for a few hours that the mental images must have been 'recovered' memories is really that much of a distortion. She didn't actually witness the murder, she was supposedly covering her ears in the kitchen. She wouldn't have actually 'seen' anything all that crazy, and as per her testimony most of it is confabulation to connect those images. All she needs to do is try to think about it and have those images come to her mind. It would explain the 'hard evidence' of her being there and the 'fact' Raffaele said she left, making it more compelling 'evidence' it 'had' to happen.
I think the max is about 8 hrs. 4-5 hrs no problem, hash is strong. If there were smoking up 9-10 she could have easily been still moderate high at 2:00 am.
OK, I've never done hash, I thought it was just strong marijuana which is more like 2-4 hours in my experience. I don't think it's necessary either, it's not like she contended she'd had complete memories of the whole ordeal, just bits and pieces with Mignini 'helping' fill in the blanks along the way. I think they just freaked her the hell out for a little while and she believed those flashes had to be connected to the murder, then with the pressure off it faded and she got to thinking how it didn't seem so real compared to the other memories. I think that note is her trying to puzzle it all out, in part for herself.
Can you remember what it was like to be young and innocent and trusting of authorities? How does she square the 'hard evidence?' She's definite about the fact she didn't ask Raffaele to lie, but she puts that on him, not them. Otherwise she seems to be trying to figure out how everything she's been told can be true and her memories not, outside of those flashes of imagination. Those are just props like the misinformation like the 'hard evidence' and what Raffaele said, all they have to do is convince her for a few hours with 'You must be
lying! You must be
guilty! and that the
only explanation for this is she was there and repressed the memories. She gets a chance to think on it and she starts to realize the 'inconsistencies' and how it doesn't seem so probable anymore.
Good point. That may be why she was being so vague. If she claims duress they just charge her with another crime.
They did anyway, but not until the end, she might well have been trying to steer clear of it under the advice of her lawyers. She also might not remember it all that well, it may come as mostly a blur.
I think he knows this whole thing has been a disaster for him. Remember Monster of Florence comes out in 2013. However much he hasn't like newspaper, wait till he tries feature films.
Heh, heh, heh...I hope he becomes the model for an archetype villain for a generation. The seemingly sophisticated old-world gentleman with seemly harmless esoteric knowledge and eccentricities whose friendly demeanor can turn suddenly to freakish antagonism and who simply refuses to admit he could be wrong and takes it to perverse levels regardless of consequences chasing more and more bizarre theories.
Did you ever look into what he was doing in his 'Monster of Florence' 'investigation?' Digging up dead bodies and checking their pants sizes and haircuts to 'solve' murder cases twenty to thirty years old by connecting them to a satanic cult under the advisement of a crazed spiritualist who talked to a dead priest? He wasn't working on a murder case, he was already playing a part in a cheap knock off of a Dan Brown novel! One written by his partner in that debacle, Michele Giuttari. It was weird, the writers Douglas Preston and Mario Spezi were actually conducting a decent investigation into what might have happened, and Mignini and Giuttari were acting out a bizarre plot for a murder mystery!
Well that is interesting. It is macro effects combined with a slight effect from fear, but the fear is seen as having a larger impact. Interesting. I tend to think in more national terms since that is what got Rocco Girlanda and the other party members involved. But locally it is all PD territory.
I think Patrick spending four years pounding on Amanda and promoting his martyrdom probably had an effect as well. They get to absolve the local police and 'do justice' for a Perugian who's been described as a leader in his community and blame it all on the
Polizia Scientifica from Rome and the naughty American girl who might not be a murderess but makes for a convenient solution to the entire issue from a Perugian standpoint.
That's why I'm wondering how its going to come out in the Motivations, as one of the redeeming qualities of the Italian System is they have to try to make sense of it that way. I'm wondering how it can possibly be done!
