Ed Perry's property named ******head

[mhaze]

Pretty true. Due to the lack of public land, most Texan's don't hunt, they lease bait stations that they visit during deer season.

Daredelvis

Nonsense. People here lease the hunting rights on ranches. Usually a group will lease several thousand acres for the season. Then they go down there to set up the towers and feeders perhaps 3-6 times before deer season, and different members of the group will go on various weekends during the season.

Assuming it is deer restricted by season. Axis deer, shoot anytime. Same with javelina and wild pigs. Other rules for turkey, quail, etc. But the big action is with white tail deer.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

Pretty much. I'm thinking both sides are making way too much of it.

Texas Tribune (not familiar with it; linked by instapundit) has a similar reaction from a number of Texas pols and the current SC Chief Justice.

http://www.texastribune.org/texas-p...al-election/perrys-critics-say-hes-no-racist/

Even some of Perry's fiercest Texas critics say they do not believe he is racist. They point to his record of appointments as evidence: He appointed the state’s first African-American state supreme court justice, Wallace Jefferson, and later made him chief justice. (Jefferson’s great grandfather was a slave, “sold like a horse,” Perry once said with disgust.) Perry’s former general counsel and former chief of staff, Brian Newby, is black; so is Albert Hawkins, the former Health and Human Services commissioner who Perry handpicked to lead the massive agency in 2002.

“He doesn’t have a racist bone in his body,” said former Democratic state Rep. Ron Wilson, who is black and served with Perry in his early years in the Legislature. “He didn’t then, and he doesn’t now.”

You want to know why the media is running with this story? It has two things to do with how Perry is now a Republican. Jack and ****. Jack left town (muttered something about the racist town name as he left, but what's wrong with Dego Hills?). The media is running with this story because it's sensational. It makes people pick up their heads and say, "what the hell?".

It has that feel to it.

I have never been a Perry enthusiast. I think he's an empty suit. But he has never come across as racist -- and his history has been the opposite. The best evidence of racism they have -- fromh his entire career and life through this point - is this rock from 1983? On land he bever even owned? When contrasted against his actual record, it begins looking like a hit job, and a piss poor one at that.

The media really should have held this and released it late, like with the Bush memo from Dan Rather. This early, and with the push-back that will probably come from Texas legislators on both sides of the aisle, and they have managed to create a "mainstream media vs. Perry" controversy that may give those on the right who already view the national press with suspicion, fodder for their beliefs.

 

[mhaze]

....When contrasted against his actual record, it begins looking like a hit job, and a piss poor one at that.

The media really should have held this and released it late, like with the Bush memo from Dan Rather. This early, and with the push-back that will probably come from Texas legislators on both sides of the aisle, and they have managed to create a "mainstream media vs. Perry" controversy that may give those on the right who already view the national press with suspicion, fodder for their beliefs.

I agree with your rationale attitude except for the assertion that complete lies should be released by the media in such fashion as to achieve the highest effect. That makes you a propagandist....after you've stated the issue lacks credibility.

I'm curious as to your opinion about my assertion in italics above.

 

[Spindrift]

I agree with your rationale attitude except for the assertion that complete lies should be released by the media in such fashion as to achieve the highest effect. That makes you a propagandist....after you've stated the issue lacks credibility.

I'm curious as to your opinion about my assertion in italics above.

Your assertion is wrong.

Please quote the complete lie that was released by the media. I can't find a complete lie. In fact I can't find any lie. I don't see where the 'media' stated a falsehood. Now they may have reported something and allowed people to draw conclusions, but isn't that what the best news networks do?

 

[Cleon]

The media really should have held this and released it late, like with the Bush memo from Dan Rather. This early, and with the push-back that will probably come from Texas legislators on both sides of the aisle, and they have managed to create a "mainstream media vs. Perry" controversy that may give those on the right who already view the national press with suspicion, fodder for their beliefs.

...At which point the Right will say that the media intentionally held on to it until just before the election, in order to discredit Perry without giving him a chance to respond. This will create a "mainstream media vs. Perry" controversy that may give those on the right who already view the national press with suspicion, fodder for their beliefs.

So, a wash.

The reality is that any time anything negative about a Republican comes to light, it gives rise to a "mainstream media vs. XXXX" controversy that the Right exploits. That's their shtick. Conservative pundits live for that ****. The only way to get away from it is to never bring it to light - and I'm sure the pundits would be happy with that, too.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Did you hear the latest? supposedly, Perry often served his hunting guests Brazil nuts.

 

[varwoche]

Wasn't the rock with the name on it painted over and turned so the name was buried back in 1980 when Perry's family purchased the land? I don't like Perry at all, but this is what I heard and I can understand depending on the size of the thing.

I love(?) it when commenters don't bother to follow the link, don't even read the thread.

 

[NoZed Avenger]

...At which point the Right will say that the media intentionally held on to it until just before the election, in order to discredit Perry without giving him a chance to respond. This will create a "mainstream media vs. Perry" controversy that may give those on the right who already view the national press with suspicion, fodder for their beliefs.

Well, I'll admit from your and mhaze's response, I was unclear. The implied context was "If they really wanted to do damage . . ." I.e., looking at it from the point of view of distrust of the media.

And frankly, this thing appears to be weak sauce when compared with his record -- which will raise the specter of them doing a hit piece no matter when it was released. This is a "racist by implication" story with no real "there" there.

Again, I am not a Perry fan and do not hope he gets a nomination. there are a ton of things he could be criticized on -- especially (in my opinion) fundraising, the toll roads, and a few other areas where I think he deserves some heavy criticism. But this article doesn't cut it.

 

[aggle-rithm]

There's a road just outside of Austin called Coon Neck. I've always wondered about the possibly racist origins of the name.

 

[Drysdale]

So let me get this straight. Perry occasionally hunts on this lease property. He didn't name it. Didn't buy it so he can't rename it but he leases it and somehow this is evidence of racism.

Yet our sitting president is a member in a vitriolic, bigoted church for 20 + years and gets a pass because...hey, he wasn't really listening anyway.

Maybe Perry didn't know the name? I dont like Perry but this is just ridiculous.

 

[Drysdale]

There's a road just outside of Austin called Coon Neck. I've always wondered about the possibly racist origins of the name.

Coon is slang for Racoons and Cajuns, it's not a particularly racist saying in most contexts.

 

[varwoche]

I have never been a Perry enthusiast. I think he's an empty suit. But he has never come across as racist -- and his history has been the opposite.

Has anyone here made the argument that Perry is a racist? I haven't.

It's about racial insensitivity, and about possible lies to cover-up same. (My confidence that he's lying was diminished by your excellent prior post though.)

But with Perry drip-drip-dripping so much fodder on other fronts, it's hard to imagine the story having legs. More damning facts would have to emerge and he would have to win the nomination for it matter, imo.

The media really should have held this and released it late, like with the Bush memo from Dan Rather.

Well fine, except that was outright fraud whereas I've seen no reason to think of the Post story in that light -- in fact Perry confirms many aspects. And I don't buy that the media sits on stories for maximum gotcha, except as an aberration. Certainly political opponents do this.

 

[mhaze]

Has anyone here made the argument that Perry is a racist? I haven't.

It's about racial insensitivity, and about possible lies to cover-up same. (My confidence that he's lying was diminished by your excellent prior post though.)....

Hey, some level of reasonableness from Varoche!

Thanks.

But I've still got problems with the narrative. Here's how.

"It's about racial insensitivity".

Perry sees rock, is bothered by it, asks parents to paint it over.

You take RACIAL SENSITIVITY, put it through your liberal fact grinder, and come out with RACIAL INSENSITIVITY?

HOW?

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Yet our sitting president is a member in a vitriolic, bigoted church for 20 + years and gets a pass because...hey, he wasn't really listening anyway.

What a bunch of nonsense.

 

[varwoche]

Hey, some level of reasonableness from Varoche!

Thanks.

But I've still got problems with the narrative. Here's how.

"It's about racial insensitivity".

Perry sees rock, is bothered by it, asks parents to paint it over. You take RACIAL SENSITIVITY, put it through your liberal fact grinder, and come out with RACIAL INSENSITIVITY?

HOW?

Take away this sentence and I could even return the compliment. This is precisely the bone of contention.

 

[daredelvis]

And that's the bald faced lie.

What you've done is taken the painting over of a racially charged term by todays standards, and those of the 1980s, and FOUND SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT.

No, what I did was take your claim that the "N* word" "didn't used to mean what it means today", and using a Jack London's use of it to support your argument. I don't even mention Perry in my post.

The word didn't used to mean what it means today. For a easy take on it, read "Southsea Tales" by Jack London. To him in 1901 or so, (Australian, to boot) the N* word referred to dark skinned natives, Asian, cannibals.

Please try to keep up before you start throwing around accusations of lying.

Daredelvis

 

[daredelvis]

Nonsense. People here lease the hunting rights on ranches. Usually a group will lease several thousand acres for the season. Then they go down there to set up the towers and feeders perhaps 3-6 times before deer season, and different members of the group will go on various weekends during the season.

Yep, leasing bait stations, not hunting as it is known in most states. Try to bait out west, and you will end up paying a big fine. Hunt near bait (even if you didn't put it out) and pay a big fine.

Assuming it is deer restricted by season. Axis deer, shoot anytime. Same with javelina and wild pigs. Other rules for turkey, quail, etc. But the big action is with white tail deer.

Also consistent with my statement. Most busy people have to focuses on one season, and very few are going to go out after javelina or pigs during the summer months. They may get out for a few weekends when it cools off, but the hunters leasing these ranches generally focus on deer season.

Daredelvis

 

[mhaze]

Yep, leasing bait stations, not hunting as it is known in most states. Try to bait out west, and you will end up paying a big fine. Hunt near bait (even if you didn't put it out) and pay a big fine.
Also consistent with my statement. Most busy people have to focuses on one season, and very few are going to go out after javelina or pigs during the summer months. They may get out for a few weekends when it cools off, but the hunters leasing these ranches generally focus on deer season.

Daredelvis

I think we agree, but the terminology is wrong (but may be what's used in your area).

The hunting lease is simply a contract for hunting rights on a defined land section. It's a transfer for a term of "land rights", not equipment and appurtenances rights.

It's no different than leasing mineral rights, range rights for cattle, etc.

 

[mhaze]

No, what I did was take your claim that the "N* word" "didn't used to mean what it means today", and using a Jack London's use of it to support your argument. I don't even mention Perry in my post.

Please try to keep up before you start throwing around accusations of lying.

Daredelvis

Fine. Then refute directly the dictionary definition of "N---head" as a large rock outcropping on a dirt road that represented a hazard to vehicles.

When you say a word "didn't used to mean what it means today" you are ignoring five separate pieces of evidence I brought in as to what actual meaning the word used to have. I don't think "N---head" has any current meaning in the English language at all.

As for the base of the term "N--" you've ducked and dodged the essential fact of my assertion was that it didn't mean what it does today. I supported that with it's use by London to refer to dark skinned South China Sea cannibals. Has nothing to do with London.

The question of whether the terms were implicitly pejorative a century ago is another question. Then again, we've got numerous Democratic congressmen, senators and Presidents on record using the "N--" word through the 1960s. Pot calls kettle.

 

[mhaze]

So let me get this straight. Perry occasionally hunts on this lease property. He didn't name it. Didn't buy it so he can't rename it but he leases it and somehow this is evidence of racism......Maybe Perry didn't know the name? I dont like Perry but this is just ridiculous.

Right.

Here's the way the propaganda meme develops.

• Perry's parents hunted on ranch they leased.
• Ranch had phrase X on rock in road.
• Ranch was named X.
• Ranch was owned by Perry's parents.
• Ranch was owned by Perry.
• Perry is a racist.

Classical stereotyping and demonizing. Classic use of a grain of truth to build the big lie. "Cookbook propaganda".

Side notes regarding the phrase in question -

more archaic definitions

1. (nautical) A bollard made from an old cannon.
2. An isolated part of a coral reef.
3. The coneflower.
4. Hard tussock on tundra; often moss.

Wikipedia entry.

In several English-speaking countries, N---head.... is a former name for several things thought to resemble a black person....'s head.

The term was once widely used for all sorts of things, including products such as soap and chewing tobacco, but most often for geographic features such as hills and rocks. In the U.S., more than hundred "N....heads" and other place names now considered racially offensive were changed in 1962 by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names, but many local names remained unchanged.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niggerhead#cite_note-Washington_Post_2_October_2011-0

But leave it to the Aussies to do things their own way. They've got an island in Queensland by this name in Mourilyan Harbor. Don't apply American English rules to Aust. English, though.