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Ed Perry's property named ******head

varwoche said:
It demonstrates a mind-boggling degree of tone-deafness, seeing as he was an elected official. And if the reporting holds up, he'll also have a cover-up to explain. (A cover-up of a non cover-up.)
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Absolutely. Most of the times it's not what you did as the cover up that gets you in the most trouble.

Clinton, cough, cough...
 
MaGZ said:
I remember reading Texas has lots of locations on old maps with the N word on it, like ******run creek that have never been changed.
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Not sure, interesting question. Probably they have all been changed.

The word didn't used to mean what it means today. For a easy take on it, read "Southsea Tales" by Jack London. To him in 1901 or so, (Australian, to boot) the N* word referred to dark skinned natives, Asian, cannibals.

Hemingway used it in his books 1940-1950 all the time, referring to African descent. Not African "American".

But *******head is a different thing entirely. Urban dictionary lists four meanings:

http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=n*

the first of which is


An antiquaited logging and trucking term used to define a large round rock or outcropping of rocks usually on an unpaved road bed that could damage a vehicle.

A fifth I've seen in use in 1900 era fiction was to refer to essentially a bar in the black section of a town.

In any case, take what meaning you wish, obviously an obsolete term from another era.
 
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varwoche said:
Not so fast. He switched parties in '89 and...
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... the seven who said they saw the rock said the block-lettered name was clearly visible at different points in the 1980s and 1990s. One, a former worker on the ranch, believes he saw it as recently as 2008.
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If a reporter drags a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what he'll find.
 
varwoche said:
It demonstrates a mind-boggling degree of tone-deafness, seeing as he was an elected official. And if the reporting holds up, he'll also have a cover-up to explain. (A cover-up of a non cover-up.)
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Well, he's not going to come out looking good. But on the sliding scale of Rick Perry dumbassedness this is not really up there.
 
MaGZ said:
I remember reading Texas has lots of locations on old maps with the N word on it, like N*****run creek that have never been changed.
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Growing up in Vermont, there was a pond and a tall ledge overlooking the pond with the name ******head in my home town. It was changed on maps within the last 20 - 30 years, within my lifetime anyway. Everyone calls them Marshfield Pond and Marshfield Ledge at this point, but I'm sure some of the older folks slip up on occasion.
 
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mhaze said:
In any case, take what meaning you wish, obviously an obsolete term from another era.
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I remeber hearing someone use it about 15 years ago.

Even 25 years ago was not "another era" where such a term would have been considered acceptable and common.

Your attempts at rationalization of incipient racism are noted.
 
Travis said:
Well, he's not going to come out looking good. But on the sliding scale of Rick Perry dumbassedness this is not really up there.
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I have to agree. I too think Rick Perry's a dumbass, but this is more a PR problem than a real substantial problem. Unfortunately for him PR problems can cause more trouble than problems of substance.
 
Pretty much a non-story in my opinion.

He didn't write it. He didn't own it. Who cares?
 
Noztradamus said:
If a reporter drags a hundred-dollar bill through a trailer park, you never know what he'll find.
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Seems like you didn't bother to read the article:
“I remember the first time I went through that pasture and saw that,” said Ronnie Brooks, a retired game warden who began working in the region in 1981 and who said he guided three or four turkey shoots for Rick Perry when Perry was a state legislator between 1985 and 1990. “...It kind of offended me, truthfully.” Brooks, who said he holds Perry “in the highest esteem,” said that at some point after Perry began bringing lawmakers to the camp, the rock was turned over.
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willhaven said:
Pretty much a non-story in my opinion.

He didn't write it. He didn't own it. Who cares?
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He chose to lease it without considering the implications of the name.

Pretty damned stupid on his part I'd say.

Not someone I would choose to have represent me.
 
Brooks, who said he holds Perry “in the highest esteem,” said that at some point after Perry began bringing lawmakers to the camp, the rock was turned over.
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How long before someone turns it back over again?
 
Noztradamus said:
which puts it firmly in the time Perry was a Democrat - nobody cares if they are indifferent to racism
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Your posts are so predictable (and banal).

Can we agree that at least on the surface, Brooks is not a result of throwing cash around a trailer park?

And can we also agree that if Brooks is telling the truth, then Perry is either wrong or lying?

Let's see how right I am. I predict that a simple yes answer is not forthcoming. :p
 
varwoche said:
And can we also agree that if Brooks is telling the truth, then Perry is either wrong or lying?
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I can see another alternative that seems to easily fit the facts. While it is possible either side could be either mistaken or lying, we are talking about paint on a rock since before 1983.

It seems obvious that anything readable in 2008 would not be the original paint, whenever that might have been placed (1900? 1940? 1962?). That means someone - presumably an owner of the property or someone that was a self-appointed painter/grafiti-est - repainted it. If they did so to 'refresh' the letters, then what would be the difference (from the letterer's viewpoint) if they simply wrote it on the now blank area, instead?

As a hunting lease, Perry or anyone from his family might be on the property in the fall once or twice, or might not. There would be no way - and no particular reason - to police the area the other 9+ months of the year. So the rock may have been painted over and repainted any number of times.
 
NoZed Avenger said:
I can see another alternative that seems to easily fit the facts. While it is possible either side could be either mistaken or lying, we are talking about paint on a rock since before 1983.

It seems obvious that anything readable in 2008 would not be the original paint, whenever that might have been placed (1900? 1940? 1962?). That means someone - presumably an owner of the property or someone that was a self-appointed painter/grafiti-est - repainted it. If they did so to 'refresh' the letters, then what would be the difference (from the letterer's viewpoint) if they simply wrote it on the now blank area, instead?

As a hunting lease, Perry or anyone from his family might be on the property in the fall once or twice, or might not. There would be no way - and no particular reason - to police the area the other 9+ months of the year. So the rock may have been painted over and repainted any number of times.
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That's possible, and so much for my hopes of extracting a simple yes from Noztradamus.
 
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