Ed Perry's property named ******head

[daredelvis]

Not sure, interesting question. Probably they have all been changed.

The word didn't used to mean what it means today. For a easy take on it, read "Southsea Tales" by Jack London. To him in 1901 or so, (Australian, to boot) the N* word referred to dark skinned natives, Asian, cannibals.

You bring up the noted racist Jack London's use of a word to defend it from charges of racism???? As a writer, I like his work, but Jack London was a despicable person.

Daredelvis

 

[NoZed Avenger]

That's possible, and so much for my hopes of extracting a simple yes from Noztradamus.

I can understand the frustration, but in this case, at least, the yes-no seems to fall into an either-or type of problem.

 

[daredelvis]

As a hunting lease, Perry or anyone from his family might be on the property in the fall once or twice, or might not. There would be no way - and no particular reason - to police the area the other 9+ months of the year. So the rock may have been painted over and repainted any number of times.

Pretty true. Due to the lack of public land, most Texan's don't hunt, they lease bait stations that they visit during deer season.

Daredelvis

 

[Alferd_Packer]

which puts it firmly in the time Perry was a Democrat - nobody cares if they are indifferent to racism

It makes no difference if he was democrat, republican, communist, or national socialist party,

for anyone with political aspirations, even way back in the 1980's, even in Texas, it was the height of senseless stupidity to ignore that, which he apparently did.

 

[mhaze]

You bring up the noted racist Jack London's use of a word to defend it from charges of racism???? As a writer, I like his work, but Jack London was a despicable person.

Daredelvis

Thanks for applying the standards of today to yestderday, but you have no grounds to stand on with your assertions from the point of view of 1900.

Anyway, please explain exactly why you'd care what someone called a South China Sea cannibal?

 

[A Laughing Baby]

I'm going to bookmark this thread as a lesson on how to spin things, so I can apply the lessons learned within to discussions with my boss.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Thanks for applying the standards of today to yestderday, but you have no grounds to stand on with your assertions from the point of view of 1900.

Anyway, please explain exactly why you'd care what someone called a South China Sea cannibal?

I'll bet you thought that "Balzing Saddles" was a documentary.

 

[12AX7]

In any case, take what meaning you wish, obviously an obsolete term from another era.

Blah blah blah... Go up to the next black guy you see and use the term, mhaze. See how 'obsolete' it becomes.

I remeber hearing someone use it about 15 years ago.

Even 25 years ago was not "another era" where such a term would have been considered acceptable and common.

Your attempts at rationalization of incipient racism are noted.

Agree.

 

[daredelvis]

Thanks for applying the standards of today to yestderday, but you have no grounds to stand on with your assertions from the point of view of 1900.

Said the guy who used a quote from the early 1900's to justify the use of a racial slur.

Anyway, please explain exactly why you'd care what someone called a South China Sea cannibal?

No.


Daredelvis

 

[Newtons Bit]

I'll bet you thought that "Balzing Saddles" was a documentary.

Balzing Saddles? Is that a porno?

 

[mhaze]

Said the guy who used a quote from the early 1900's to justify the use of a racial slur.
No.


Daredelvis

Your evasion instead of directly answering the question is noted, along with your misrepresentation of my prior comments .... hey lets just be direct, you don't seem to mind doing that with me.

You'r a bald faced liar, daredelvis.

What's happened is you got caught in your little warm fuzzy blanket of political correctness of today, and you don't want to think about yesterday.

You want to talk about an obscure ranch in Texas? Lot of history in such places. You walk past some stones with carvings and depressions made by Indians, down a bit is where a guy was killed by a snake in the 1930s. A word on a rock? Sheesh, I got one oak true four feet in diameter that some people lectured me I better not cut down because that was where their great grandparents had their little lovers' meetings.

Get back to me about whether the objectionable words painted on that rock date from any recent decades, and we'll discuss it on a rational basis. Otherwise, what you've got is a word that dictionary definitions show meant a large rock, PAINTED ON A BIG ROCK, sometime prior to it's being painted over 25 years ago. Sounds to me it was probably painted on that rock decades before that, when the term meant "a big rock that you could run into on a dirt road", which , duhh, is what that rock was.

Evasion, when confronted with your error, and attack with ad hominems, ain't gonna cut it, dude.

 

[12AX7]

I can just imagine mhaze's comments if a story broke that Obama had hunted on a ranch called 'Killcracker'.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Balzing Saddles? Is that a porno?

Glen Beck is playing it in his treehouse for the kiddies.

 

[Alferd_Packer]

Your evasion instead of directly answering the question is noted, along with your misrepresentation of my prior comments .... hey lets just be direct, you don't seem to mind doing that with me.

You'r a bald faced liar, daredelvis.

What's happened is you got caught in your little warm fuzzy blanket of political correctness of today, and you don't want to think about yesterday.

You want to talk about an obscure ranch in Texas? Lot of history in such places. You walk past some stones with carvings and depressions made by Indians, down a bit is where a guy was killed by a snake in the 1930s. A word on a rock? Sheesh, I got one oak true four feet in diameter that some people lectured me I better not cut down because that was where their great grandparents had their little lovers' meetings.

Get back to me about whether the objectionable words painted on that rock date from any recent decades, and we'll discuss it on a rational basis. Otherwise, what you've got is a word that dictionary definitions show meant a large rock, PAINTED ON A BIG ROCK, sometime prior to it's being painted over 25 years ago. Sounds to me it was probably painted on that rock decades before that, when the term meant "a big rock that you could run into on a dirt road", which , duhh, is what that rock was.

Evasion, when confronted with your error, and attack with ad hominems, ain't gonna cut it, dude.

You just don't get it, do you.

I pity you.

 

[JudeBrando]

This story is how desperately the "mainstream media" is, as usual, working against Republicans and on behalf of and to favor the Democrats that they side with and seek to assist.

The Department of Propaganda.

State Media.

Big Government.

 

[daredelvis]

Your evasion instead of directly answering the question is noted, along with your misrepresentation of my prior comments .... hey lets just be direct, you don't seem to mind doing that with me.

You'r a bald faced liar, daredelvis.


Evasion, when confronted with your error, and attack with ad hominems, ain't gonna cut it, dude.

I seemed to have touched a nerve. One of the oddest accusations of an ad hominem I've seen...

The issue was the presence of words on a rock post early '80's, when it could be said that Perry had any control over it. If you read what I posted, you would see that I am sympathetic to the argument that Perry did nothing wrong. My issue with your post was using Jack London's use of a racial slur in the early 20th century to defend the alleged use of a racial slur in the 80's (1980's).

If you want to stick to an argument ad etymology, you should make the argument that Perry knew the root of the word, and thus deemed it's placement totally innocent, and inoffensive. A level of book learning completely in line with the Governor's self made image.

Daredelvis

 

[mhaze]

...the presence of words on a rock post early '80's, when it could be said that Perry had any control over it. If you read what I posted, you would see that I am sympathetic to the argument that Perry did nothing wrong. My issue with your post was using Jack London's use of a racial slur in the early 20th century to defend the alleged use of a racial slur in the 80's (1980's). ...

And that's the bald faced lie.

What you've done is taken the painting over of a racially charged term by todays standards, and those of the 1980s, and FOUND SOMETHING WRONG WITH IT.

Why? Because you claim there is something wrong with it's pre existence. As I noted, lots of old stuff on old ranches. Some of these ranches 500 years old. And note I didn't just note Jack London's use of the word - I referenced a dictionary as to the term's meaning, and thirdly, mentioned a FIFTH use of the word. What I've done is bring FACTS into the discussion. The historical use of the word. Ever heard of that? Hell, there's a whole thing called the Oxford English Dictionary dedicated to it.

What you've not done, but are complicit with, is the turning of a good thing into a bad thing. EG, I'll lay it out.

PERRY: paints over rock. GOOD.

ROCK: had something written on it that came, over the decades to be viewed as a racial slur. BAD.

Where the loons of the left err: PERRY = ROCK = BAD.

That's totally idiotic.

Finally and in summary, if you or any of the other people here want to assert that the discussion of the historical derivation of a phrase, racially charged by today's standards or not, is a bad thing from their cloystered politically correct point of view, screw them and the horses they rode in on.

 

[tyr_13]

I'm going to bookmark this thread as a lesson on how to spin things, so I can apply the lessons learned within to discussions with my boss.

Pretty much. I'm thinking both sides are making way too much of it.

This story is how desperately the "mainstream media" is, as usual, working against Republicans and on behalf of and to favor the Democrats that they side with and seek to assist.

You want to know why the media is running with this story? It has two things to do with how Perry is now a Republican. Jack and ****. Jack left town (muttered something about the racist town name as he left, but what's wrong with Dego Hills?). The media is running with this story because it's sensational. It makes people pick up their heads and say, "what the hell?".

The Department of Propaganda.

State Media.

Big Government.

Conspiracy forum is thataway. ---------------->

 

[Halfcentaur]

Wasn't the rock with the name on it painted over and turned so the name was buried back in 1980 when Perry's family purchased the land? I don't like Perry at all, but this is what I heard and I can understand depending on the size of the thing.

 

[mhaze]

This story is how desperately the "mainstream media" is, as usual, working against Republicans and on behalf of and to favor the Democrats that they side with and seek to assist.

The Department of Propaganda.

State Media.

Big Government.

Pretty pitiful really, that they are stooping to making stuff up like this. It's only the beginning, and it is only the beginning of an attempt to whip up the mop and the mob-think. And arguing with logic against mob think is ridiculous.

Especially with a metrosexual panty-waisted mob.

Fortunately, that's a tiny minority of this great country.