Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

[Skeptic Ginger]

You don't see the irony in claiming someone is forgotten right beside a large article about the "forgotten" person?

When I go to google news the subject is "The Murder of Meredith Kercher".

If they'd just charged, tried, and convicted Guede like they should have, Kercher would not have been forgotten, because most people would never have heard of her to forget her.

This is a good point.

Based on twitter, the truly forgotten person seems to be Guede. Incredible how many people are ignorant of his role in all of this and believe that if it wasn't A&R there's now an unsolved case and a killer on the loose.

That's because Guede's current conviction is that he was there but someone else stabbed Kercher. The media in the US hasn't been very clear on that point.

 

[Kaosium]

I think Raffaeles lawyer Maori pressed charges at the end of his closing, several of them.

Rudy was definitely being sued, I hope he gets the extra 6 years as more news comes out.

He not only took Merediths life, he was destroying two innocents and dragging the Kerchers and the other families through this.

You noticed that too, huh? I was kinda wondering about that, especially with that dog and pony show over that old letter of his where he just sat in court whilst Mignini read it. That always made me curious, and I wondered if it might have something to do with him trying to avoid a calunnia charge as a result of it.

 

[smkovalinksy]

Former roommate weighs in on verdict:

"She was there at the scene of crime, how can they just reduce her sentence from 26 years to zero?," asked student Filomena Orlando, 23, who was in the crowd.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/04/amanda-knox-freed-four-case?newsfeed=true

 

[Malkmus]

Former roommate weighs in on verdict:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/oct/04/amanda-knox-freed-four-case?newsfeed=true

I don't think that's Filomena the roommate. Different last names, and Filomena is older I believe. That Filomena was only 19 when the murder happened.

 

[Onofarar]

LOL, don't worry LJ - I agree that even if technically there was no 'lead lawyer', Dalla Vedova acted the part to all intents and purposes (just as Bongiorno was obviously Sollecito's main lawyer). It's just that I thought it was funny when Dalla Vedova explicitly denied being 'lead lawyer', given the discussion here.

This cse may do for CDV was the Casey Anthony case did for JOse Baez. After all he has a 100% success rate (final outcome). At the very least he will need to get new business cards - Carlo Della Vadova - practice specialized in Corporate AND Criminal Defense Law.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Kudos to you for starting this thread. Yes Amanda was convicted (in the first trial) for nothing more serious than doing a cartwheel in a police station (and a few other odd things. Your OP created a forum where the truth was aired about the case and in some small way improved the chances for AK to be freed. Job well done by you and all the other many posters here.

Ahemmm, I guess I am gloating a bit about the thread, especially considering all the baggage that went with it.

But that part about contributing, naahh, I don't think so. I was trying to find the PMF and there were so many forums when you search Google for "Knox forum" that I couldn't find it. Could someone fill me on on what PM stands for or post the link again? I'm just curious.

 

[smkovalinksy]

I don't think that's Filomena the roommate. Different last names, and Filomena is older I believe. That Filomena was only 19 when the murder happened.

Ah, ok. Because I was wondering how a law student could be such a turnip head, and not understand an appellate overturning of a conviction. Thanks.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Holy Cartwheel, batman

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Wow, just Wow. Did we crash the JREF server or something, been trying to bet signed in for 20 minutes now?

...

I think it was something else. I couldn't get the pages to load since several hours before the verdict.

 

[Malkmus]

Can someone please explain to me how, after essentially two trials, a convicted criminal for a prosecutor, proven lies by police, prosecution, forensics testimony (shown on video no less), can there still be those who will still only believe the lies spread by the prosecution propaganda campaign that started 4 years ago. Lies that have either never been proven to be true or have been disproved during this appeal trial? I've gotten so frustrated and angry at another site I just finally had to stop responding because I was getting really snarky in my posts. I just cannot wrap my head around this way of viewing this trial. I'm generally a pro prosecution person! I almost always view what the defense does as smoke and mirrors to find any kind of reasonable doubt, but this case went beyond my reasonable doubt threshold into complete did not do it. Which in all honesty has only happened one other time. The judge said, paraphrasing here, that they didn't do it, not that there was reasonable doubt. The judge said there was no break in staging, it was a break in. I'm totally befuddled and frustrated at the attitude of some!!!!

Yeah, it's a little crazy over there right now. Better to let things cool down...

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Prejudging is far worse.

And a witch hunt is worse than that.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

....
I'm not wholly convinced of their complete innocence.....

Yes because Satanic ritual sex murders are so hard to rule out.

 

[Fine]

Ahemmm, I guess I am gloating a bit about the thread, especially considering all the baggage that went with it.

But that part about contributing, naahh, I don't think so. I was trying to find the PMF and there were so many forums when you search Google for "Knox forum" that I couldn't find it. Could someone fill me on on what PM stands for or post the link again? I'm just curious.

________________

Ginger,

PMF = Perugia Murder File

Links: Here and Here (There are two PMFs now.)

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[Skeptic Ginger]

Good girl!

Rolfe.

Thank you. I appreciate your kind words.

 

[smkovalinksy]

The Kerchers are such a beautiful looking family - it is a shame that this ruling cannot just be accepted, and Guede seen finally as the sole killer. I guess it is too much to expect. It just would seem more complete a resolution if this were the case.

 

[Kaosium]

Ahemmm, I guess I am gloating a bit about the thread, especially considering all the baggage that went with it.

But that part about contributing, naahh, I don't think so. I was trying to find the PMF and there were so many forums when you search Google for "Knox forum" that I couldn't find it. Could someone fill me on on what PM stands for or post the link again? I'm just curious.

You should have searched for 'Kercher forum.'

Perugia Murder File now has two (!) separate mirrored websites. The original started by the dude in England which now has the .NET designation and the more populated séparatiste faction which somehow maintained the .ORG ending. Why they split, how it ended up like this, and what the politics between them now are like is a mystery to the uninitiated.

True Justice For Meredith Kercher, which amounted to anything at all as long as Amanda never left her steel confines, can be found here. This is kind of the 'showboard' where posters from the .org site (now) post their 'best' pieces and most outrageous propaganda.

 

[smkovalinksy]

Sorry - it was posted earlier - hee hee.

Right, I don't get this--was Pisa seriously posting what he thought would be, early? what was he thinking of???

 

[smkovalinksy]

Although it's regrettable they weren't able to see the truth, I have nothing against the Kerchers or Patrick because they at least suffered a genuine injury. I have nothing but contempt, however, for Barbie, Pisa, Vogt, the English 'friends', Filomena, PMF, Coulter and the many other bystanders who supplied the kindling that was used to burn Amanda (and Raffaele) at the stake. Whatever insignificant indignities they must bear now are richly deserved.

Well, unfortunately, I made the mistake of reading their recent posts. They are as self-righteous, self-deluded, pompous and haughty as ever; sure that Hellman was involved with something shady, crooked, and shameful; sure that Knox and Sollecito are killers that beat the republic at its own game; sure that this is far from over, that the Supreme Court will have the final say.....they are NOT suffering in the least.

 

[Onofarar]

So who can explain the charges Hellman gave at the end?

I heard the calunnia was 3yrs? is that for the cuffing of her head against the Perugia police?

and then Patrick gets 22,000 Euro and the civil suit for the Kerchers was part of the A,BC,E?

The calumnia charge was for the slander against Patrick (remember calumnia carries both imprisonment and fine penalties).

The Kerchers 6,000K judgment still stands - the Massei ruling awarded the amount to the family to be paid by all those found guilty of MK's murder. Now that is just Rudy. No wonder Arline Kercher was stunned - they now owe Maresca a lot of money and no source from which to pay it.

The calumnia charge for the head cuffing charge against the police is yet to be heard - the judge assigned to the trial recused himself - I think it was Paulo Micheli. At present, that trial was rescheduled to January 2012 but I don't recall anew judge being assigned. Someone in the Perugia judiciary should step in and have the charges dropped.

 

[Skeptic Ginger]

Thank you for starting this discussion. Point one is just too funny. LOL.

Besides the cultural divide that seemed apparent, it was the Satanic ritual witch hunt that drew my attention to this injustice. I was moved by a different but related case here in the US. There was a rash of ridiculous convictions of day care workers on charges of Satanic ritual child sexual abuse. One of the women convicted was a single mom, a cook, Dawn Wilson, at The Little Rascal's Daycare. It was absolutely horrible. My son was a year younger than her daughter at the time of her arrest. Anyone using a little common sense would see the charges were not supported by the evidence. But the prosecutors were drunk on woo juice.