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Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Danceme said:
I also thought Raffaele was ignored in the coverage. And there is no doubt Meredith's death was overshadowed by Sollecito's and Knox's plight.

I gave you the benefit of the doubt the last time you ridiculed praise for the Kercher's and didn't chime in but here you go again...........in quotes at that!


Not very becoming.
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You don't see the irony in claiming someone is forgotten right beside a large article about the "forgotten" person?

When I go to google news the subject is "The Murder of Meredith Kercher".

If they'd just charged, tried, and convicted Guede like they should have, Kercher would not have been forgotten, because most people would never have heard of her to forget her.

Based on twitter, the truly forgotten person seems to be Guede. Incredible how many people are ignorant of his role in all of this and believe that if it wasn't A&R there's now an unsolved case and a killer on the loose.
 
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icerat said:
The Mirror has a Kercher response -

Amanda Knox freed: shocked Meredith Kercher's family say decision is "absolutely ludicrous"

Truly sad how they've been misled. From Meredith's father -

He was correct on the last point, alas.
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I have reserved criticism for the degenerates at certain other forums, but John Kercher is skating on thin ice by continuing to promote such bilge, I'm afraid. The public consensus is currently that the Kerchers have been dignified and stoic and they need to be careful not to turn people against them. In my opinion, they seriously need to 'take a step back' from the situation and consider the case on its merits, instead of blindly believing the BS from the prosecution.

There is a reason why Hellmann's court declared that AK/RS did not commit the crime - the Motivations will hopefully explain everything in detail.

It must be an awful time for the Kercher family, but they need to step away from the lies they appear to have fallen for and use their intelligence to question the many mistakes and 'cock-ups' made by the Police and the Prosecution...not to mention Maresca.

Sad. Very sad. :(
 
halides1 said:
SkewedView wrote at WebSleuths, "While I am very, very happy that AK & RS have been freed, I can't help hurting even more so for the Kerchers at this time. They are now stuck in a catch 22 that will never allow them to find true peace. They must now choose to either keep believing in the prosecutors etc and thus feel that their daughter was cheated out of justice, or they must accept the ruling as a true one, and thus deal with the guilt of having cheered a grave injustice being perpetrated in their loved one's name. I can tell you, it is a horror that nobody should ever have to deal with, and my heart goes out to them."

Some of my thoughts will be with the Kercher family tonight, thanks to the comment above.
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He spoke well.
 
LondonJohn said:
I chuckle at the thought of the media circus dispersing across Umbria and Lazio during the night, to try to track down the Knox/Mellas entourage. I hope they wear themselves to the bone in the attempt, and I hope they fail.

I hope that once Knox and the family get back to Seattle, they have the class and dignity to issue a statement which empathises with the Kercher family over the loss of Meredith, while emphasising that Knox had nothing to do with her murder. I thought that Sollecito's father showed considerable class on the steps of the courtroom tonight, and that Dalla Vedova spoke eloquently and fairly in a BBC interview. I hope that Knox and her family will now find it appropriate to offer condolences and an olive branch to the Kercher family, and I hope that the Kercher family can understand and accept Knox's and Sollecito's positions.
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Screw the condolences and olive branch for now. Leave Italy ASAP. The Kercher's have been idiots. I doubt the Knoxes would have been as ruthless if the roles had been reversed.

Give the condolences and olive branch to the Kerchers a year from now when the sympathy will be appreciated.
 
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LondonJohn said:
Yes: Luisa Baldini (the BBC anchor for the verdict) was very poor tonight. She normally works as a basic UK roving reporter for News 24, usually covering light human interest stories. She used to be a sports reporter for the BBC, if my memory serves me well. It is clear that she was selected for this assignment purely because she is bilingual in Italian and English. But she had very little command of the basic facts of the case, and was an awful live interviewer. Not the BBC's finest hour, it's safe to say.

I wish Bongiorno had recited her poem! I wonder if it was a Wordsworth or a Pam Ayres.... :P
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Well, I guess to be fair to her it must have been difficult with so much noise and being interrupted all the time, people walking in front of the camera and so on! My housemate commented that she was doing a pretty good job under the circumstances, and I didn't think she was bad really - just messed up a bit of the Bongiorno interview. You're right that lack of knowledge of the facts of the case had an impact though (including in the interview, where she didn't know what Bongiorno was talking about when she mentioned the independent review).

Yes, I wish she'd recited the poem too. :D
 
Fine said:
According to this source, Amanda skipped town pronto. She'll be spending the night somewhere near Rome. TGcom. Raffale's attorneys say his location is being kept secret. (I think we can assume he's skipped town too.)

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You don't need a passport to leave Italy and I'd have driven straight for Die Schwieiz.
 
LashL said:
I was very pleased to see the verdict this afternoon. I had anticipated acquittals in light of the fact that there was no credible and compelling evidence against either Ms. Knox or Mr. Sollecito, but it was particularly satisfying to hear Judge Pratillo Hellmann actually say that Ms. Knox and Mr. Sollecito were acquitted 'because they did not commit the crimes'. That is significantly better than just hearing 'reasonable doubt'.

Justice, in that regard, has indeed prevailed.

I think that the decision to uphold Ms. Knox's conviction on the calunnia charge relating to Mr. Lumumba was incorrect, but I had predicted it so it didn't come as a surprise.

In any event, I hope that Ms. Knox and Mr. Sollecito are able to quickly get past the wrongs that were perpetrated against them by the Perugia police and prosecutors and go on to lead happy and productive lives.

I also hope that Ms. Kercher's family is able to quickly come to terms with the reality that Ms. Knox and Mr. Sollecito were not the authors of the Kerchers' grievous misfortune. I suspect that someone is going to have to sit down with them and tell them the truth about the lack of evidence and the wrongdoing of the Perugia police and prosecutors in order for them to attain the closure that they deserve.

I am very much looking forward to the release of the court's reasons for judgment (motivations report).
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I absolutely agree with everything you've written here. And kudos to you for giving your opinion on this case for many months now, even though it left you open to all sorts of abuse for having simultaneously given your opinion while also being a mod. I always felt that your injection into the discussion was not only wholly appropriate, it was also right and logical.

And, like you, I am very much looking forward to reading Hellmann's motivations report. I'm looking forward to reading the court's demolition of things like the ToD, the blood-water partial print, Quintavalle's testimony, the earwitness testimony and the whole "staging" nonsense. And I'm also intrigued to read how the court managed to come to a verdict of guilt on the Lumumba slander charge.

Jeffrey Toobin (who's a pretty well-respected legal analyst) is on CNN right now. He's saying what we all know: Knox and Sollecito should never have been tried for this crime, the evidence suggests they had nothing to do with it, and the real killer (Guede) has already been found. And Drew Griffin is now commenting on his bizarre interview with Mignini, and saying that Mignini constructed bizarre conspiracy theories that he refused to drop or even modify when evidence pointed in a totally different direction.
 
katy_did said:
Well, I guess to be fair to her it must have been difficult with so much noise and being interrupted all the time, people walking in front of the camera and so on! My housemate commented that she was doing a pretty good job under the circumstances, and I didn't think she was bad really - just messed up a bit of the Bongiorno interview. You're right that lack of knowledge of the facts of the case had an impact though (including in the interview, where she didn't know what Bongiorno was talking about when she mentioned the independent review).

Yes, I wish she'd recited the poem too. :D
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Oh, she also made some serious gaffes in the extended period before Hellmann entered the court. She's not cut out for this sort of live anchoring role. But at least she's not as bad as Channel 4's disastrous choice of Ortis Deeley for the anchor of their TV coverage of the World Athletics Championships in August :D

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=116_1315223901
 
RWVBWL said:
YA!!!!
Raffaele and Amanda are free!!!

Raff and Amanda are free and outta prison?
Really?
YA!!!
:)

Peace everyone,
RW
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RW & ALL,

YAY!!!!

This is so fantastic. What a great day! The Kercher's press conference and the slander charge upheld were bummers. However, such relief and happiness that Hellmann acquitted because they DID NOT COMMITT THE CRIME.

Wonderful! :)
 
Well, I'm sorry that Amanda still got stuck with the defamation charge. I suppose that the jurists decided that there wasn't enough that had changed, evidentially, since the first trial, to warrant overturning it.

Perhaps she can pay Mr. Lumumba with the proceeds she gets from suing the prosecution and police for defamation herself, if that's allowed. Is it allowed? Or are those people protected due to their status, and because their accusations happened in court? It seemed like the worst sort of defamation, to me.
 
I sorry but I grew to dislike the PGP so much and especially the one's with sources that knew what was going to happen.

I hope that if the FOA knows who certain yummi, popper machines are they will disclose it one way or the other.

The repeated lies told by them - bloody bathroom, mixed blood, double DNA knife, mop and bucket, bleach receipts...

deep breathe
 
Skeptic Ginger said:
It's too bad Knox cannot sue Rudy Guede for the same slander. I doubt he has the money to pay a judgement.
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I think Raffaeles lawyer Maori pressed charges at the end of his closing, several of them.

Rudy was definitely being sued, I hope he gets the extra 6 years as more news comes out.

He not only took Merediths life, he was destroying two innocents and dragging the Kerchers and the other families through this.
 
Amanda leaves prison in the Mercedes

http://www.cnn.com/video/

You might have to go to the section (to the right) which states 'Amanda Knox trial' - it's the video titled 'Amanda Knox leaves Italian prison'

Amanda leaves prison(she's in the second car - a Mercedes)

:D:D:D
 
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LondonJohn said:
Eek. The newspaper review on Sky News is showing a side headline in tomorrow's Times which alludes to the Kercher family "not being ready to forgive". I hope that this is either an invention or a misinterpretation. If that's based on something that anyone from the Kercher family has said after the verdicts, then I'm saddened and dismayed, and my view on the Kerchers will be changing.
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That might just be a report of what Lyle said at the press conference, and I think Aline (?) or Steph Kercher might have echoed it. Something to the effect of needing closure before forgiveness.

I think that British Consulate representative might best have served their needs if he'd given them a phone number of a good English (or Scottish or Welsh) lawyer, one at least familiar with the Italian legal system and its munificent wonders. For one thing, as Fine pointed out last week, the money coming from the courts to pay the Kercher's legal fees has just evaporated. I dunno, maybe there's something else Italy does for the families of victims to pay their bills, or perhaps the UK does, but I don't think they can afford Maresca's wages on the government's dime. Going by the numbers listed by Fine (from somewhere in Massei as I recall) it appears the Kerchers may now owe Maresca hundreds of thousands of Euros.

I recall an interesting discussion I came across down the Rabbit Hole once, probably from way back, when as I recall it they were discussing the hiring of Maresca. The point was made that if the victim's family hires a lawyer and there's a 'civil part' then the case (if it's of this serious nature of course) virtually always ends up in a conviction. Some of them, being bunnies and all, didn't understand the causation fallacy there and assumed that the Kerchers just hiring a lawyer 'guaranteed' a conviction all the way through, whereas more cogent actors over there made the point it doesn't quite work like that, the main factor is of course strength of case, and lawyers will turn down the civil part if there's no virtual certitude of victory unless they have deep-pocketed clients.

This suggests to me that it's possible that one of the reasons for Maresca's desperate tactics was he knows he has to win to get paid--or he's going to have to bill (presumably) John Kercher. I also noticed Tom over there was interested in the resolution of the civil case before PMF went down, and I'm pretty damn sure he was one of the participants in that discussion I noted previously.

I dunno, what do you think? Is this the face of a humanitarian? What happens if he sues for his fee in Italy, will it be honored in the UK?


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