Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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Kaosium said:
You only gave us ten minutes before you complained about no-one being all over him! Ten minutes! Even the Supertanker needs to be refueled sometimes, there can't be a peon on patrol every moment of the day! :p

Now I will 'get all over him' and make you happy!

Cosmic DP, that's a downright crappy picture of Amanda! You can certainly do better than that if you're trying to say you think she's pretty and you'd watch her on TV! It just so happens I recently came across a site with boatloads of pictures and can post a better one for you! :p

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Well done, at least I'm not the only free thinker on here.
 
snook1 said:
Look at this. It's from .net:

"Yeah, Judge hellmann can be thanked for that.

He has a history of performing hatchet jobs on convictions. I don't believe his being assigned to this case was 'luck if the draw'..."

"Neither were the independent experts in my opinion."

This is beyond stupid. At first trial they praised Italian justice system, now what they're saying is basically that it sucks, big time.
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I had had a glimmer of hope that Michael (AKA Fulcanelli) was going to show a little class and desist from making unpleasant remarks. But he's been unable to prevent himself from exposing his nasty underbelly, through this post and a number of others, including this piece of vitriol (my bolding):

They have been a crash course into how to commit a rape and murder and get away with it. Justice died today and not simply in regard to this case, but future 'justice' as we know it. From this point, many cases will no longer be decided in the court room, but via PR companies and press campaigns. Lawyers across the world will have watched this and will now be considering the use of PR companies for their future clients, while PR companies will be considering branching out into promoting criminals. Therefore, the losers from this will not only be Meredith Kercher and her family and friends, but the whole of society in multiple countries. Murderers and rapists will walk, thanks to heavy handed PR company/media campaigns. The crowds on the street let us know what the majority think about it.
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What a deeply horrible individual he is. I hope that he packs up his tent and shuffles off into obscurity now. He will not be missed. Oh, and the "crowds on the street" were nothing more than a rent-a-mob. I suspect that the likes of "Clander" might have been among them. Disgusting.
 
HumanityBlues said:
TrueJustice is struggling to get up, but there was this headline: "Knox And Sollecito Declared Not Guilty Apparently With Some Booing Outside The Courtroom".

There is a rumor that some of the booing was from street clothes police. Just a rumor.
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Oh right.

My source was incorrect then - claiming that SomeAlibi, Ganong and Quennell were leading the booing...:p
 
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True Justice for Raffaele Sollecito and Amanda Knox

Pat yourselves on the back, people.

You done good.
 
HumanityBlues said:
TrueJustice is struggling to get up, but there was this headline: "Knox And Sollecito Declared Not Guilty Apparently With Some Booing Outside The Courtroom".

There is a rumor that some of the booing was from street clothes police. Just a rumor.
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Interesting that PMF(org) and TJMK are down at the same time.
 
Some sources are claiming that it was Mignini who was being booed, but the BBC coverage certainly didn't support that. BBC line was that the cat-calling included shouts of "murderer" and that it was particularly bad when any of the defence team made an appearance.

Rolfe.
 
LondonJohn said:
As a small aside, I just heard Becky Anderson on CNN getting the Supreme Court issue wrong yet again. The facts on the Supreme Court are as follows: prosecutors can only appeal to the Supreme Court if there are valid grounds, and those grounds can only be on the application of law (and not on findings of fact). If the Supreme Court agrees to hear an appeal, it will be done in camera: Knox and Sollecito will not be required to appear. And the most the Supreme Court could do would be to refer the case back down to the appeal court level for a retrial - at which Knox and Sollecito would of course be required to appear. But as I cannot see any possible way in which prosecutors have any sort of grounds for appealing to the Supreme Court, I think it's all totally moot. I am guessing that there will be no appeal to the Supreme Court.
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Mignini has already said he will appeal any overturning of the first verdict, on the grounds that the time-limit had already passed for requesting a review of DNA evidence (nonwithstanding the fact that it had been requested at the first trial, and denied by Massei), and that, therefore, the C-V report should be deemed inadmissible and the original verdict reinstated.

Of course, even if that happened, Knox will be long since back in Seattle, and I don't see any court in the U.S. enforcing an extradition order under those circumstances. I wouldn't be surprised if Sollectio's family gets him to a country without extradition treaties with Italy, either, until all prosecution appeals are exhausted.

And I would personally expect Knox to appeal the slander charge, on the grounds that her interrogation statement was introduced (via civil suit) even though the Supreme Court had ruled that it couldn't be used. Sure, she's already served the jail time, but I see no reason why she shouldn't fight having to pay damages to Lumumba...let alone the legal fees of the worm who called her a "dirty-souled she-devil" and "spell-casting witch."

For that matter, I wonder if her lawyers might now be considering some calumnia charges of their own...
 
Fine said:
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Scorpion,

She's seen leaving the courtroom, escorted by prison guards, about 60 seconds after being acquitted.

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Hi Fine,
Thank you for clarifying - I wasn't sure as I was replying to onchic2000 who stated that Amanda was leaving the jail, but the picture said it was the court.

Great news today!
 
snook1 said:
It should end Pisa's career. Disgrace.
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Pisa has just had the cojones to appear on Sky News here to proclaim that not only was he confidently expecting today's acquittals, but that he was even expecting acquittals in Massei's court!

He's nothing more than a two-bit freelance stringer. His reputation will have suffered significantly (and deservedly) as a result of his woeful and ignorant reporting on this case. As for Nadeau and Vogt, well that's definitely the last we'll see of them. They are a disgrace to the journalistic profession - especially Vogt - and they have spectacularly misjudged this whole case from start to finish. I wonder if Nadeau will publish an "updated second edition" of her book, which, I might remind people, was entitled: "Angel Face: The True Story of Student Killer Amanda Knox". You're a disgrace, Barbie. And Vogt, you're beneath contempt for your blinkered, biased and ignorant articles.
 
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Wow. That's the opposite of what I actually saw and heard. I saw and heard people jeering at Mignini as he emerged and the cheer the defense. There were a few boos for them but mostly cheers.
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Rolfe said:
Some sources are claiming that it was Mignini who was being booed, but the BBC coverage certainly didn't support that. BBC line was that the cat-calling included shouts of "murderer" and that it was particularly bad when any of the defence team made an appearance.
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I read one report that the crowd was an organized mob made up mainly of off-duty Perugia police officers. Can't confirm or deny but, if true, another good reason why there needs to be a thorough house-cleaning of the "justice" system there.
 
Not surprising, but I'm happy for Knox and Sollecito anyway.

This was the only possible outcome of the trial in the murder case. It was screaming reasonable doubt from the top of the legal mountains.

As we had speculated, the injustice still stands, since Amanda Knox had to pay for the gross incompetence and malpractise of the Italian police. Italy should still feel shame and embarrassment by this decision and this legal process.

Knox should sue Patrick Lumumba back for wrongfully accusing her of being guilty of murder and calling her a witch. He's not longer a gentle man, but has made himself a greedy criminal, a clown and a dishonest person along with his joke of a lawyer.

The Perugian police caused this mess and caused all this grief and suffering for The Kercher's, The Sollecito's, The Knox's and Lumumba. They rewarded themselves medals and get to blame everything on Knox.

Awful and appalling.
 
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RoseMontague said:
Interesting that PMF(org) and TJMK are down at the same time.
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"Pravda" is alive and well over at Quennell's weird and obsessive little site. The following "message to the masses" is currently posted there:

We are having our own problems accessing the server so further posting may take some time. Note no verdict is confirmed in Italy except by the Supreme Court.
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I hope Quennell gets professional help with his personal issues. At the very least, he certainly needs to find a way to let go of his creepy obsession with a specific murder victim whom he never knew, and to let go of his personal crusade against two people who almost certainly had nothing to do with the murder.
 
Nogbad said:
She was found guilty of slander and trying to implicate an innocent man in the murder.
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We'll see if that holds up through the Supreme Court of Italy. It might very well be that never should have gotten past the Hellmann Court, but was chosen as a 'compromise' as it allows them to get 'justice' for Perugian Patrick Lumumba and not totally throw the Polizia di Stato in Perugia under the bus. Perugia is a tourist town and subjective reports (and one more objective but less localized) have suggested that it has suffered as a result of people thinking their police were corrupt and incompetent.

Have you actually read the statements she signed and the note she wrote to police directly afterward? It was the result of an all-night interrogation that began at about 10:45 PM and ended with her arrest at 5:45 AM the next morning, later in the day she started the note. She didn't speak or read Italian at anything but the basic level and no tapes of that interrogation exist despite the police tapping the phones of Amanda and Raffaele, (and family) taping everything else, including tapes of her in the waiting room of the police station, but claim they 'forgot' 'were too busy' or 'didn't have the money in the budget' to tape witnesses at the police station.

Nogbad said:
Her sentence for that was increased from one to three years (probably why Sky and the Mail jumped the gun) but as she has served four she has done her time.
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That makes it sound even more so like a compromise judgment for Perugia that won't survive the Supreme Court. Why was it increased? The rationale will have to be in the motivations, and considering those documents I posted above were supposed to have been thrown out by the Italian Supreme Court and only brought into the Massei Court by a strange decision of Massei, they might find themselves with no evidence to retry her under.

Besides, three years in jail for signing a witness statement after being interrogated all night saying you 'vaguely' or 'confusedly' think someone was involved in a murder is kinda harsh, isn't it?



Nogbad said:
I'm not wholly convinced of their complete innocence in the matter but nor am I convinced of their guilt. In which case acquittal is the only way forward.
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You seem to know something about the case, what evidence suggests to you they might be guilty, and why?

Nogbad said:
As Meredith's family have said, Meredith is the forgotten party in all this.
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That's one of those things that people seem to be saying without examining if it has any merit. How many other victims of murders four years or so old can you find with 6.1 M (million) hits on google? I'd say Meredith Kercher was one of those rare murder victims who will be remembered far longer and better than the vast majority.
 
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