Continuation Part 3 - Discussion of the Amanda Knox case

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wow, just wow. I had to read that several times to make sure that I hadn't missed anything that was actually true. How can anyone that is so woefully ill-informed about the case make such a sure statement? Not one of the things that commenter claims was actually argued by the prosecution.

CCTV footage proved she had. - Incorrect, the CCTV footage shows Meredith heading home.

She lied in accusing two other innocent people. - Really? Even if we accept that she lied and accused Patrick, that's just one person, who was the other?

What kind of sweet innocent girl does not tell the police when there is a dead body in the house? - Not actually wring as such, but relues of the basis that she was guilty and thus knew.

Instead, she and her boyfriend dragged the corpse of Meredith from the kitchen into her bedroom - Why The Face? Where is the evidence that Meredith was killed in the kitchen and dragged to the bedroom? All the evidence is that she was killed in her bedroom!

and there faked an elaborate "break-in". - Um, the break in was in Filomena's room, not Meredith's.

They lied that Meredith had been attacked by an intruder. - When did either Raf or AK claim this?

But there was no intruder, They themselves broke the window from the inside as detailed evidence showed! - Really? Even if you were to accept that the window was broken from inside (the evidence says otherwise) where is the detailed evidence that shows it was them that did it?

Amanda went out early on the Sunday morning to buy cleaning equipment at a local shop. - Really? Didn't the murder happen on the 1st of Nov 2007? That was a Thursday, what use would the supposed cleaning equipment (which according to the unreliable witness she didn't buy anyway) have been on Sunday?

Then she lied to the police saying she had been at Raff's house. - except that phone records show she was there that morning.

A receipt from the shop proved she was lying. It had the date, the time and the items purchased on it. - except it didn't exist.

She cleaned up the whole flat removing blood and fingerprints. - Except the ones in the Bathroom, hallway, and Meredith's room

She and Raff even put their clothes and Meredith's in the washing-machine to destroy evidence. - Except that Raf and AK's clothing wasn't in the washing machine.

The machine was running when the police arrived. - apart from the fact it wasn't.

Money belonging to Meredith had disappeared in an unexplained way - excepting that a person's DNA was found on the bag...

the same amount was found in Amanda's possession. - or not.

She was known to drug-dealers - Who have never been found. Well okay there was the whole number that would later be recycled to a drug dealer about a year or two later, but other then that...

she herself told police she had been taking marijuana - OMG, she used MJ, she MUST be a murderer!!!! We'll give the commenter a point for getting one right.

She had many motives for hatred of Meredith, who had constantly complained about Amanda's drug-taking and ******** ways. - Umm, if Meredith hated her ways, wouldn't that be a motive for Meredith killing Amanda, not the other way about?

I know, it's like someone found a Harry Rag dropping and decided to embellish on it. I had a similar experience recently deconstructing an Ann Coulter piece on the case, someone pig-ignorant about the facts trying to make the silliest things sound damning, or include outright distortions or lies in areas that even The Machine dares not tread.

So these things are already distorted by Mignini and Stefanoni, then the Machine pisses into it until the proper level of ominousness is reached, then someone else decides that's not quite enough and by that time you've entered the atmosphere of a new celestial body! :p
 
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I saw this yesterday on the CBS comment thread. It makes the mind reel. I was hoping Pilot would critique it.

Oh My God!!! Is this person serious? Has this person not read anything beyond the gossip rags concerning this case? I freely admit to not really having read anything until the last couple months but even I feel way more knowledgable that this person who has obviously been hiding in a cave for the last several months. I am flabbergasted and shocked! :jaw-dropp
 
Grinder, did anyone at the CBS forum try to correct that person of his/her illusions? If they did how did that work out?
 
I know, it's like someone found a Harry Rag dropping and decided to embellish on it. I had a similar experience recently deconstructing an Ann Coulter piece on the case, someone pig-ignorant about the facts trying to make the silliest things sound damning, or include outright distortions or lies in areas that even The Machine dares not tread.

So these things are already distorted by Mignini and Stefanoni, then the Machine pisses into it until the proper level of ominousness is reached, then someone else decides that's not quite enough and by that time you've entered the atmosphere of a new celestial body! :p

a harry rag droppping....ahaha...

Franks recent piece mentioned that too, about the prosecutions closing being like a bad re-run from 2007.amazing they didnt accuse Patrick again or blame the bloody tennis-shoe prints on Raffaele....112 call....

but thats been the entire problem with Migninni's work; he ignored evidence. Evidence, right there in his face and he ignored it several times.

but whatever, I'm no expert on Italian court cases...maybe all the prosecutors are like Migninni?

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I recall he sued Steve Shay, and Mignini made a comment "i've never even been to a psychiatrist..." and I thought, huh? maybe he should?, you know....maybe thats the problem with him and his Satanic stuff.
 
I find it amazing that people still cling to lies of the past. Here is SomeAlibi:

"To the *paid* supporters of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: I damn your eyes. The cause of justice is far more important than your tawdry dollar, euro or pound in your pocket. To act as PR for a criminal case is nearly the most base activity I can conceive. Damn you and I hope you may someday see what you have done."

It is not surprising that people that believe crap like "paid" supporters also believe in Amanda's guilt.
 
I'm sure the bathroom ceiling is wood, which is the orange reflection. If you zoom in close enough you can also see the face and white suit of one of the technicians, as well as the door frame reflected in the faucet and handle both. There are a couple of very faint lines of diluted blood along the right side of the faucet as well as the one or two red splotches but the remainder appears to be the wood ceiling reflection.

Eta. In the handle you can also see the underside of the shelf above as well as one of the support brackets (just loving the pinch zoom on my iPad)

http://www.perugiamurderfile.net/gallery/image.php?mode=medium&album_id=21&image_id=219

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Danceme,

Well, now that you mention the details..........it looks to me like the manufacturer of the faucet sealed it in clear plastic film to retain lustre to the metal. And that plastic coating was never removed when installed. Now most of the plastic wrap is retained, and only worn through in a small area nearest the camera, about the size of a thumbprint. You can see the clear plastic peeling away on the right side of the faucet.

I think the lovebirds will be acquitted (as sure as dogs love bones). What's your opinion?
 
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Grinder, did anyone at the CBS forum try to correct that person of his/her illusions? If they did how did that work out?

Yes there were a 175 comments when I went back. Case vs. Amanda called farce in case anyone wants to see for themselves.

After reading the responses here I do have to ask whether it was a spoof of some weird type. It clearly won't make a difference in the outcome.

Although it is the worst ever, it really isn't that far off what has been repeated over and over.

Oh well, who knows.

If they are acquitted, anybody for pizza at PEGasus on Alki? - I think that's the place Vogt mentioned.
 
I find it amazing that people still cling to lies of the past. Here is SomeAlibi:

"To the *paid* supporters of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: I damn your eyes. The cause of justice is far more important than your tawdry dollar, euro or pound in your pocket. To act as PR for a criminal case is nearly the most base activity I can conceive. Damn you and I hope you may someday see what you have done."

It is not surprising that people that believe crap like "paid" supporters also believe in Amanda's guilt.

Where's my cheque? I have $300 in vet bills to pay. :(
 
I find it amazing that people still cling to lies of the past. Here is SomeAlibi:

"To the *paid* supporters of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: I damn your eyes. The cause of justice is far more important than your tawdry dollar, euro or pound in your pocket. To act as PR for a criminal case is nearly the most base activity I can conceive. Damn you and I hope you may someday see what you have done."

It is not surprising that people that believe crap like "paid" supporters also believe in Amanda's guilt.

But, it would be alright to say whatever is legal in court to get someone off or convict them if you are a solicitor or even a real lawyer? And get paid the big or little bucks for it?

Damn you and I hope you may someday see what you have done."

Is that an early concession speech?

Look, I don't spend a lot of time on SA or others over there with an occasional square PEG in a round hole remark, but for anybody on the PG side not to see what the ILE did in leaking stuff to the media and the media running with satanic sex murder (yes Migdie you didn't get quoted saying exactly that) and all the other smears, is just b...pucky. The "confession" was in the press in days or hours, their diaries published, man on a train, bleach receipt, 4am laundromat with N. Africans, hosting a riot a rental house, rape pranks, calling Jews the people we killed, condoms, vibrators, toilet habits, list of a lifetime of lovers...No SA I hope someday you and yours come out of your hobbits and see what you have done.
 
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Well I finally got to the end of this thread and I did it before the innocent verdict is announced.

So what did I learn?

I am woefully inadequate...my IQ and golf score although both officially untested I suspect are somewhat near each other. Which is ok because I don’t actually play golf but I suppose that leads one to speculate a higher rather than lower opinion of myself but since I am untested I may well be a scratch golfer which is bad I think...not the golf part but the IQ = golf part.

And so I am clueless. Honestly...in 300 something posts here I have never actually learned to utilize the formatting to make a correct post. I even skipped trying to figure out the spell check function...but as dumb as I am... I am certain of these things.

No real proof has been shown to me that indicates these two defendants had anything at all to do with this murder.

I have read thousands of pages and almost all the books, watched all the shows...and nothing could lead me to convict these two people of anything. The opposite in fact.

I can find guilt of the prosecutor...he is a liar and a cheat and is dishonest and vindictive and belongs no where near a court.

I can find some guilty police...I am fairly certain Rita hit Amanda, Napolini lied to the court, Stefanoni lied to the court and falsified evidence on top of doing sloppy work which should be a crime in that type of work.

I think there is a tape of Amandas interrogation. I think the Italian police operate more off the scale then on...Italy seems to accept and condone lies from police and prosecutors and the news.

This case comes down to Italian egos. Look at the prosecution rebuttal for this appeal. Witches, vibrators, she devil, jets, a million dollars...any evidence yet? No...but there is the victims family, and the nude mutilated body of the victim. But proof? No...but there is the false accusation (yes but that was false and not really an accusation) and the poor black man? You mean the one certain killer? No the poor black man...The "dirty black"? No the other one. That would be the killer then.

And that is about as far as my IQ will take me...

I don’t understand Rolfes poem but I feel the power of it. And I am certain it fits this situation perfectly (It probably means exactly opposite of what I think but I don’t care. I think Amanda and Raf are innocent.

And I plan to schedule an IQ test...for my cat as soon as she gets over her cramps.

Dear Lord help the judges make a correct decision tomorrow. Give them wisdom and strength.
 
I find it amazing that people still cling to lies of the past. Here is SomeAlibi:

"To the *paid* supporters of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: I damn your eyes. The cause of justice is far more important than your tawdry dollar, euro or pound in your pocket. To act as PR for a criminal case is nearly the most base activity I can conceive. Damn you and I hope you may someday see what you have done."

It is not surprising that people that believe crap like "paid" supporters also believe in Amanda's guilt.

The people getting paid the most are the prosecutors, the judges, and the police. The media might also be getting paid a little - especially those in the bigger organizations.

What is being called 'paid supporters' are actually contributors. This case costs a fortune!

What is being called justice isn't a prophylaxis of the guilty (with the exception of Geude), but punishment of the innocent.

World justice in the best sense today means a truthful determination of blame (which is actually like driving forward by looking in the rear view mirror to see who you've just run over). So if we omit truth from justice, then justice means only punishment.

What is so bad about seeking the truth? My only complaint is that some take too long to understand truth.
 
Well I finally got to the end of this thread and I did it before the innocent verdict is announced.

So what did I learn?

I am woefully inadequate...my IQ and golf score although both officially untested I suspect are somewhat near each other. Which is ok because I don’t actually play golf but I suppose that leads one to speculate a higher rather than lower opinion of myself but since I am untested I may well be a scratch golfer which is bad I think...not the golf part but the IQ = golf part.

And so I am clueless. Honestly...in 300 something posts here I have never actually learned to utilize the formatting to make a correct post. I even skipped trying to figure out the spell check function...but as dumb as I am... I am certain of these things.

No real proof has been shown to me that indicates these two defendants had anything at all to do with this murder.

I have read thousands of pages and almost all the books, watched all the shows...and nothing could lead me to convict these two people of anything. The opposite in fact.

I can find guilt of the prosecutor...he is a liar and a cheat and is dishonest and vindictive and belongs no where near a court.

I can find some guilty police...I am fairly certain Rita hit Amanda, Napolini lied to the court, Stefanoni lied to the court and falsified evidence on top of doing sloppy work which should be a crime in that type of work.

I think there is a tape of Amandas interrogation. I think the Italian police operate more off the scale then on...Italy seems to accept and condone lies from police and prosecutors and the news.

This case comes down to Italian egos. Look at the prosecution rebuttal for this appeal. Witches, vibrators, she devil, jets, a million dollars...any evidence yet? No...but there is the victims family, and the nude mutilated body of the victim. But proof? No...but there is the false accusation (yes but that was false and not really an accusation) and the poor black man? You mean the one certain killer? No the poor black man...The "dirty black"? No the other one. That would be the killer then.

And that is about as far as my IQ will take me...

I don’t understand Rolfes poem but I feel the power of it. And I am certain it fits this situation perfectly (It probably means exactly opposite of what I think but I don’t care. I think Amanda and Raf are innocent.

And I plan to schedule an IQ test...for my cat as soon as she gets over her cramps.

Dear Lord help the judges make a correct decision tomorrow. Give them wisdom and strength.

yes, the same here (though I didnt read all the books)

but it seems those who have read and studied like you did have come to the same conclusion.

but there's no telling if the 6-Judges did, I will assume Hellman and Zanetti have spent long days and nights discussing this trial.

I do wonder if the C&V report was as much a surprise ( as in scathing) to him as everyone?
 
I find it amazing that people still cling to lies of the past. Here is SomeAlibi:

"To the *paid* supporters of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: I damn your eyes. The cause of justice is far more important than your tawdry dollar, euro or pound in your pocket. To act as PR for a criminal case is nearly the most base activity I can conceive. Damn you and I hope you may someday see what you have done."

It is not surprising that people that believe crap like "paid" supporters also believe in Amanda's guilt.

Who the heck is he talking about?!
 
I detect the smell of burning martyr

I find it amazing that people still cling to lies of the past. Here is SomeAlibi:

"To the *paid* supporters of Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito: I damn your eyes. The cause of justice is far more important than your tawdry dollar, euro or pound in your pocket. To act as PR for a criminal case is nearly the most base activity I can conceive. Damn you and I hope you may someday see what you have done."

It is not surprising that people that believe crap like "paid" supporters also believe in Amanda's guilt.

Sounds like a "farewell, cruel world" message to me. Good riddance. S/he/it won't be missed.

It really should be sickening to see such people, pathetic nobodies who've suffered no personal harm or greivance through this, co-opting the Kercher and Knox family tragedies to try and prop themselves up onto a pedestal.
 
Great post RandyN!
I too just read many pages worth of postings form the last couple of days and I can also state that I'm sure my IQ is much lower than most posters here, but I don't really care.
I can still, while riding my surfboard, get tubed, do a fun 360, and carve a mean layback cutback. And though my face is a little sunburnt, I'm happy, for I watched a 7 foot shark swim about 5 feet away by me earlier today...

IQ ain't everything, real life experience counts for something too.
And my own real life experiences, growing up in a place called "DogTown", told me a long time ago that Amanda Knox and Raffaele Sollecito were not in that house the night Meredith Kercher was so brutally, stabbed to her death. But Rudy Guede surely was.

I hope the court does the right thing,
acquit and free Raffale Sollecito and Amanda Knox...
Fingers are crossed!!!
RW
 
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