Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Toke]

For fun, and because I am bored, I am compiling a table of correspondances between Patrick and his alter egos of posting time on various sites.

What fun to expose the troll.

Ordinary people would have stopped a long time ago, I wonder if patric realise what he/they are reduced to here?

 

[drewid]

He's got to start distancing himself from Reed.

Every other piece of wild conjecture or unfounded speculation has faded once people go back to the original source and post it.

The only reason the Reed stuff has lasted so long is that no one has done that yet.
Sooner or later someone will be bothered to look stuff up and the Reed plank will be kicked out from under him.

This is why he's scared of answering Kiwi9's questions about Reed and his role. He's scared of where the questions might lead.

 

[drewid]

Why doesn't he have Armstrong and Aldrin turn on their transponder and find them with his radar?

That, my liege, is how we know the earth to be banana shaped

I think I'll have to go out and buy myself a case of Industrial Strength Depends Adult Diapers cuz' I'm afraid I'll wet my pants

I'm sorry to hear about your incontinence problem. That can happen when you hit 54.

 

[Garrison]

Was Patrick seriously suggesting that the fact that NASA had been working on ideas for landing a man on the moon before Apollo was announced constitutes proof they didn't land a man on the moon?

I mean that would be the second craziest thing he has posted, 'Julian System' being number one.

 

[Oji]

Not sure I understand the question(s).

The patient shows no insight into his delusional condition. We recommend he is not released.

 

[Oji]

So not unexpected then.

And not disastrous.

Yet another definitive debunking of p1k's fantasies. But no doubt he will bring it up again before long...

 

[Kid Eager]

how can one take a troll seriously when he can't tell the difference between a radar and a transponder?

 

[R.A.F.]

You know Kiwi9, like Aldrin always says, (the RENDEZVOUS EXPERT!) "When it's time to pretend, strap on a Depends."

This is elementary school "humor" (if you can call it that). How old are you, 12?


If not, then I would consider reading your posts out loud before you post. That way, you might avoid looking like an immature ass.

 

[Patrick1000]

Here's a nice find regarding landing radar, rendezvous radar and the bogus 1202 alarm

We all know for a fact that the whole 1202 Eagle program alarm charade was about the fraudsters figuring out a way to have trajectory people someway, somehow ignore the LM's transponder's being "tracked". The reason of course being, once the LM touches down, had the rendezvous radar been working, the LM transponder's being "read", would be doing nothing less that MARKING THE EAGLE'S POINT OF REST.

Of course with their desired bird hiding, the Apollo fraudsters could not have any of that. Check this out, from NASA's own, "Apollo Astronaut's Guidance and Navigation Notes", prepared by the MIT Instrumentation Laboratory, page 1-11. Not sure, but believe this section may be from as early as 1962.


"The radar employed in the guidance and navigation system is the first sensor represented in Fig. 1,-2. The radar equipment. is located in the two service modules or in the lunar braking module. This equipment,, which is used for close-in sensing during the rendezvous and lunar-landing phases , consists of two components: a tracking radar and a doppler radar. The tracking radar, which is an X-band monopulse radar, is used in conjunction with a transponder. During earth orbital rendezvous, , the transponder employed is located on the target vehicle; during a lunar landing operation, on the other hand, the transponder is located on the lunar surface. The transponder is needed on the moon for landing at a precise location near other equipment, for instance."

More here, if you like this kind of stuff;

http://web.mit.edu/digitalapollo/Documents/Chapter7/gnccoursenotes.pdf

So the LM should have its transponder on during a landing, not just to cover one's rump on the chance an abort is required, but additionally, and equally importantly, one keeps the transponder on to help locate the lander, or equipment adjacent to it. For example this would mark the LRRR location in the case of our lost bird, the Apollo 11 Eagle.

In the case of Apollo 11 they had to figure out a convenient way to essentially turn off the LM rendezvous radar transponder. They did this with the 1202 alarm ploy. As mention previously, this more likely than no implicates Bales, a "superior" of his, or both, as on/two of the bad space apples.

 

[tsig]

Is it just me, or is Patrick now saying he's discovered the astronauts may actually have followed procedure, therefore "fake" (eleventy-one) with full block capitals and dozens of exclamation marks?

I wonder if sleep deprivation is getting to him, or if they're taking shifts and it's extra-crazy Patrick's turn.

i seem to see three different posting styles.

 

[R.A.F.]

We all know for a fact that the whole 1202 Eagle program alarm charade was about the fraudsters...blah, blah, blah.

HOW MANY TIMES MUST YOU BE TOLD THAT NO ONE HERE AGREES WITH YOU??

When ever you post crap like "we all know for a fact", you only expose your INCREDIBLE ignorance about what others here think.

Why do you keep making the same "mistake"? Do you have some mental "problem" that prevents you from seeing that no one here agrees with you?

 

[tsig]

Yet another definitive debunking of p1k's fantasies. But no doubt he will bring it up again before long...

delete

 

[tsig]

This is elementary school "humor" (if you can call it that). How old are you, 12?


If not, then I would consider reading your posts out loud before you post. That way, you might avoid looking like an immature ass.

His continual reversion to butt humor really adds to the gravitas of his posts.

 

[matt.tansy]

Check this out, from NASA's own, "Apollo Astronaut's Guidance and Navigation Notes", prepared by the MIT Instrumentation Laboratory, page 1-11. Not sure, but believe this section may be from as early as 1962.


"The radar employed in the guidance and navigation system is the first sensor represented in Fig. 1,-2. The radar equipment. is located in the two service modules or in the lunar braking module. This equipment,, which is used for close-in sensing during the rendezvous and lunar-landing phases , consists of two components: a tracking radar and a doppler radar. The tracking radar, which is an X-band monopulse radar, is used in conjunction with a transponder. During earth orbital rendezvous

This should have been your first warning you were barking up the wrong tree. EOR (Earth Orbit Rendezvous) was scrapped in favor of LOR.

, , the transponder employed is located on the target vehicle; during a lunar landing operation, on the other hand, the transponder is located on the lunar surface. The transponder is needed on the moon for landing at a precise location near other equipment, for instance."


So the LM should have its transponder on during a landing, not just to cover one's rump on the chance an abort is required, but additionally, and equally importantly, one keeps the transponder on to help locate the lander, or equipment adjacent to it. For example this would mark the LRRR location in the case of our lost bird, the Apollo 11 Eagle.

And you should have verified the CSM actually had a radar onboard. It did not. The plan to install a rendezvous radar on the CSM was scrapped in 1964.

 

[Southwind17]

Lannding site is a bust all by itself Southwind17. One need go no further. Apollo 11 is proven fraudulent right there. Bogus coordinates equates with charade.

But..but....Patrick only does trajectories (which he fails to comprehend), never hard physical evidence, perish the thought.

... and buns, petit fours and fairy cakes abaddon ... don't forget that P1K also does pastries!

 

[Jack by the hedge]

Another early start for Patrick - 04.30am Delhi time.

 

[Southwind17]

Another early start for Patrick - 04.30am Delhi time.

Perhaps the fairy cakes have given him a good ole dose of Delhi belly!

 

[SezMe]

Perhaps the fairy cakes have given him a good ole dose of Delhi belly!

"Dellhi belly" *snort* Thanks for the chuckle.

 

[SUSpilot]

Is it just me, or is Patrick now saying he's discovered the astronauts may actually have followed procedure, therefore "fake" (eleventy-one) with full block capitals and dozens of exclamation marks?

I wonder if sleep deprivation is getting to him, or if they're taking shifts and it's extra-crazy Patrick's turn.

My bet is that it's two or three people taking turns.

 

[SUSpilot]

"Patrick": You didn't respond to my point that Reed used the radar data to figure out the relationship between the LM and CSM. As has Bernard been* pointed out by several of us, that is a remarkably elegant solution.

* [that was one heck of an iPad-induced typo I missed-SUS]

"Patrick": whichever one you that has the duty, do you mind responding to this? Also, you can go back to the post linked and respond to the balance of the post, if you'd like.