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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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Patrick1000 said:
"Lost" is my word, and is used metaphorically here, that should be obvious.

Remember when abaddon wrote that I had spelled the word "supersillyous" wrong when it was obvious that it had been purposely misspelled to affect a pun?

"Lost" works here for me, works for me as metaphor, and works quite well. I like it for obvious reasons. It says so so so much.

I like puns and metaphors. They are in the air I breath. NO!, better said, they are the air I breath.
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It's also obviously inaccurate, and deliberately so.
As to the air you breath, I thought that was AU and K measurements? You remember the measurements you got backwards?
 
Patrick1000 said:
There are others, the landing site one is a big one though.
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But you don't do 'others', you said. You only do trajectories. Are you agreeing that the landing site, albeit a 'big one', isn't in and of itself enough? Or are you now doing 'others' to seek to make your case? Please make up your mind P1K - are you really a monogatrajectorist, or is your promiscuity getting the better of you?!

Patrick1000 said:
"Lost" is my word, and is used metaphorically here, that should be obvious.
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So, metaphors aside, what word do you think should be used literally?

Patrick1000 said:
"Lost" works here for me, works for me as metaphor, and works quite well. I like it for obvious reasons. It says so so so much.
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Oh the irony! What it really says is that you're actually lost for words. I suggest you leave metaphors to the poets and story tellers, where they belong, and try using words with true meaning. But then that would restrict your dramatic license, wouldn't it, and where would you be without a little dramatic effect P1K? You'd be lost for words, again.

Patrick1000 said:
I like puns and metaphors. They are in the air I breath. NO!, better said, they are the air I breath.
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Me too - love buns and petit fours. Fairy cake too. Do you like fairy cake P1K? I'll bet you do ... I'll bet you do fairy cake P1K, don't you?
 
It just dawned on me!

Just as the Command Module's transponder is tracked by the LM rendezvous radar, so too the LM has a transponder which is trackable by the command module. So Collins doesn't know where the Eagle is? Why doesn't he have Armstrong and Aldrin turn on their transponder and find them with his radar?
 
We are so being jerked around!

So here I am reading this 1964 LM Familiarization Manual. Standard reading for all moon bound Apollo astronauts in the 60s and for skeptics in 2011.

Now, on page 1-3 there is this diagram of the launch proceedure/situation and some text that informs one what to expect during the lead up to and for the actual launch itself. A section of it reads;

"Ninety minutes before the ascent engine must be restarted, LEM is prepared for injection into ascent transfer orbit; the Inertial Measuring unit is aligned while the rendezvous Radar tracks the C/SM."

Are we all dumb saps or what?! This manual is from 1964! All this rendezvous radar stuff is simply standard operating proceedure per the Grumman guys who built the LM. You are supposed to turn the radar on 90 minutes before the launch. This is how you are supposed to find the C/SM. This is nothing more than what would have been practiced/drilled /simulated.

Why is it then that we are told this rendezvous radar thing is some BIG SPECIAL DEAL??????

What a bunch of jive!!! I swear, the further one goes down this rabbit hole, the further one goes down the rabbit hole. This suff is CRAZY my friends.

Crazy and very very very phony to boot.
 
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Lannding site is a bust all by itself Southwind17

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But you don't do 'others', you said. You only do trajectories. Are you agreeing that the landing site, albeit a 'big one', isn't in and of itself enough? Or are you now doing 'others' to seek to make your case? Please make up your mind P1K - are you really a monogatrajectorist, or is your promiscuity getting the better of you?!


So, metaphors aside, what word do you think should be used literally?


Oh the irony! What it really says is that you're actually lost for words. I suggest you leave metaphors to the poets and story tellers, where they belong, and try using words with true meaning. But then that would restrict your dramatic license, wouldn't it, and where would you be without a little dramatic effect P1K? You'd be lost for words, again.


Me too - love buns and petit fours. Fairy cake too. Do you like fairy cake P1K? I'll bet you do ... I'll bet you do fairy cake P1K, don't you?
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Lannding site is a bust all by itself Southwind17. One need go no further. Apollo 11 is proven fraudulent right there. Bogus coordinates equates with charade.
 
You are the one who said the rendezvous radar was some BIG SPECIAL DEAL, Patrick. So feel free to ask yourself why you did that.

While you're about it, please also ask yourself what you imagined the rendezvous radar was for.

Thanks.
 
Patrick1000 said:
"Ninety minutes before the ascent engine must be restarted, LEM is prepared for injection into ascent transfer orbit; the Inertial Measuring unit is aligned while the rendezvous Radar tracks the C/SM."

...You are supposed to turn the radar on 90 minutes before the launch. This is how you are supposed to find the C/SM... Why is it then that we are told this rendezvous radar thing is some BIG SPECIAL DEAL??????
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Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it YOU has been making a BIG SPECIAL DEAL out of it, and WE Apollo Believers who have been telling you all along that it isn't?

Also note that this is all to be done 90 minutes before launch, not earlier in the mission as you have claimed it should have been done.

So, just one more self-debunking post for Patrick1000, huh?
 
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Just in case some are having trouble adding 2 and 2 here.

Just in case some are having trouble adding 2 and 2 here, the recent revelations with respect to my discovering that the use of rendezvous radar beginning 90 minutes prior to lunar surface launch to track the C/SM was considered standard operating proceedure would make H. David Reed at least "suspect" of knowingly/actively participating in fraud. Again, I do not want to accuse him flat out, but to not raise the point and emphasize the possibility would not be right either. This is very significant this finding here. Of course this doesn't get Pete Williams off the hook. Either Reed, Williams , or perhaps both would be aware of rendezvous radar as a standard tool here. To have pretended otherwise is to invite our suspicions, which of course they have. We now suspect them both.

What an interesting day I must say!
 
Credit where it's due though, Patrick1000 really does get things right occasionally. Check this out:

Earlier in this thread, he remarked on what an ashamed and sad-looking person Neil Armstrong has always been, so here are some carefully-selected photos of him and his crew to prove just how right P1K is:

http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-69-H-661.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-69-H-1116.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-69-H-1121.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-JSC2002E01692.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-KSC-69P-509.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-KSC-69PC-295.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-KSC-69PC-369.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-KSC-69PC-377.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-KSC-69PC-412.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-KSC-69PC-429.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-S69-21365.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-S69-31743.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-S69-33876.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-S69-40147.jpg
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/alsj/a11/ap11-S69-41360.jpg

For something more up-to-date, here are a couple of old fellas back on 17 July 2009, both looking just as miserable as ever:
http://www.daytondailynews.com/news...071809locAviatio_534559c.jpg&superSizeImage=y

Sad, isn't it?

Captions and high-res copies can be found for the Nasa photos at the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal.
 
They do imply it is special!

Kiwi9 said:
Please correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it YOU has been making a BIG SPECIAL DEAL out of it, and we Apollo Believers who have been telling you all along that it isn't?

Also note that this is all to be done 90 minutes before launch, not earlier in the mission as you have claimed it should have been done.

So, just one more self-debunking post for Patrick1000, huh?
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If it was standard operating proceedure Kiwi9, then why doesn't Aldrin the Ph.D Zombie know about it? He has a Ph.D after all in this very specific area of JIVE!!!!!

Why doesn't Aldrin suggest they turn the rendezvous radar on? Why doesn't he suggest Collins turn his on and pick up the Eagle's transponder there on the lunar surface? I mean it is not as though it is not SPELLED OUT IN THE FRIGGIN' ORIGINAL 1964 LUNAR LANDER MANUAL IN CAPITAL LETTERS OR ANYTHING, AND IT IS NOT AS THOUGH COLLINS THE CISLUNAR NITWIT ISN'T PRETENDING TO LOOK FOR THE "MOONWALKING" CLOWNS WITH HIS FAKE SEXTANT OR ANYTHING.

Why Kiwi9????

Well I shall tell you why, THIS IS SO INCREDIBLY FAKE THAT IT IS NOW ALMOST HARD TO READ THIS STUPID STUPID STUPID STUFF WITH A STRAIGHT FACE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think I'll have to go out and buy myself a case of Astronaut Endorsed Industrial Strength Depends Adult Diapers cuz' I'm afraid I'll wet my pants laughing every time I read a page of this unbelievable nonsense now.

You know Kiwi9, like Aldrin always says, (the RENDEZVOUS EXPERT!) "When it's time to pretend, strap on a Depends."

Thanks for that Advice Fuzzy, I'll be sure to wear mine when I read this gut splitting ruse of a script next time.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
the recent revelations... would make H. David Reed at least "suspect" of knowingly/actively participating in fraud. Again, I do not want to accuse him flat out, but...
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Careful Patrick. If you begin to doubt your idiosyncratic interpretation of Reed's story, your entire case may self-destruct.
 
Is it just me, or is Patrick now saying he's discovered the astronauts may actually have followed procedure, therefore "fake" (eleventy-one) with full block capitals and dozens of exclamation marks?

I wonder if sleep deprivation is getting to him, or if they're taking shifts and it's extra-crazy Patrick's turn. :)
 
Patrick1000 said:
Why doesn't Aldrin suggest they turn the rendezvous radar on? ...Why Kiwi9????
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Sigh!

When addressing posts to me, would you please keep your childish ad homs and name-calling out of them? I much prefer that you act like you are something over ten years old.

If you weren't so stunningly ignorant about Apollo, you could have gone to the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal and under "Background Material" looked up the entry called "LM Checklists", then gone down to the period more than 90 minutes before liftoff and noted that there is a whole raft of checklists for the various procedures to be followed, and two of those specifically refer to the rendezvous radar.

Sur-48, State Vector Update (15k .gif)
Sur-49, 122:03, Tig-2:20 (16k .gif)
Sur-50, Gravity Alignment (19k .gif)
Sur-51, Rendezvous Radar (18k .gif)
Sur-52, RCS Tests (21k .gif)
Sur-53, AGS Calibration (17k .gif)
Sur-54, 122:53, Tig-1:30, Ascent Pads (17k .gif)
Sur-55, Final P57 (11k .gif)
Sur-56, P57 Continued (16k .gif)
Sur-57, Rendezvous Radar Warm-up (17k .gif)
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And, quite frankly, those procedures look to me just a wee tad more complex than your childishly simplistic notions and your "If I ran the zoo" fallacies about how such things should be done.

You've noted that one says "Tig-1:30" have you? Ninety minutes before liftoff?

So perhaps you should tell us, Patrick1000, why on earth anyone might have suggested turning on the rendezvous radar earlier in the mission, when there are obviously many things that had to be done in conjunction with that. Remember too, that it was the rendezvous radar that caused the 1201 and 1202 alarms on the way down to the surface.

I remind you, it is you who is utterly incredulous that Buzz Aldrin didn't suggest turning the radar on previously, and I'd suggest that because Buzz Aldrin might have known a little bit more about it than you do, that is the explanation.

After checking out the checklists, you could have also gone to the last section of the Apollo 11 ALSJ, "The Return to Orbit", and read about what they did at the time, and how they went through those checklists. In fact, if you simply did a search for "radar" you would find a great deal of information about it.

If you did these things, you might just find that, as usual, it is indeed a little more complex an affair than the simplistic one you have in mind due to your ignorance.

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Finally, while we're on this very subject, could you please answer my queries that you've been ignoring:

In your own words, Patrick1000, please tell us your understanding of the following:
1. How the rendezvous radar was turned on so that Reed could do what he claimed.
2. The length of time between Frank Borman becoming ill and Chuck Berry talking to the Apollo 8 crew.

Perhaps you could also say whether you think the Apollo 8 crew could have cleaned up the cabin before Berry spoke to them, and whether you think they had to clean up bucketsful that were splattered everywhere, or just a few relatively minor globs of goo.

Please also tell us what was said during that discussion between Berry and the crew, and give us all the information you have on what the medical people in Mission Control discussed, particularly their diagnosis of Borman's illness.
 
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I really think that P1K needs to explain how “rendezvous radar” actually works, and why it isn’t used to locate targets on the surface of the moon.
 
This is so cool patric!!!!!
It was an unmanned mission all the time!!!!11!!!!

Could you explain where the robotics capable of doing the work of the austronauts have gone since?
 
Toke said:
This is so cool patric!!!!!
It was an unmanned mission all the time!!!!11!!!!

Could you explain where the robotics capable of doing the work of the austronauts have gone since?
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But..but....Patrick only does trajectories (which he fails to comprehend), never hard physical evidence, perish the thought.
 
abaddon said:
But..but....Patrick only does trajectories (which he fails to comprehend), never hard physical evidence, perish the thought.
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What a shame, so many years of advances in robotics just disappeared on a failed trajectory. :(
 
Toke said:
What a shame, so many years of advances in robotics just disappeared on a failed trajectory. :(
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For fun, and because I am bored, I am compiling a table of correspondances between Patrick and his alter egos of posting time on various sites.

What fun to expose the troll.
 
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