Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[Patrick1000]

Ph.D Zombie's Navigational skills are imaginary not legendary

Probably by treating you with the contempt you deserve, though I can dream that Aldrin would have given you a taste of his response to Jarrah White...

The Ph.D Zombie couldn't cipher his way across town, let alone across cislunar space, or from lunar orbit down to the surface of the moon. This is all make believe Garrison, wake up for God's sake.

 

[Garrison]

Could you ask the question in an adult manner?

You are making one large and questionable assumption there Drewid...

 

[drewid]

Careful Patrick, the last couple of pages looks like you're losing it.

 

[Patrick1000]

Thanks

You would look slightly less clownish if you directed your responses to the correct party. The post you quoted was by Drewid, and I'm guessing by the way you are scatter gunning the responses you are desperate for someone to engage you.

No was, just trying to respond to each of your posts, sorry I got you 2 mixed up.

 

[Garrison]

Careful Patrick, the last couple of pages looks like you're losing it.

And he's back to using 'we' again, I think he's really afraid everyone is just going to stop answering him.

 

[Patrick1000]

Same question for you Twinstead, my hypothetical press conference.

Considering the FACT that Armstrong did walk on the moon, your mental exercise is irrelevant.

Same question for you Twinstead, my hypothetical press conference, how would Armstrong have answered my question(s)? As you see, not a one of your colleagues has addressed this simple query of mine, for obvious reasons we can all easily see.

 

[drewid]

And he's back to using 'we' again, I think he's really afraid everyone is just going to stop answering him.

Yep.

The funny thing is if he really did want to "post unopposed" then he could post over at GLP or Ickes, (Always assuming he hasn't already been banned).

 

[drewid]

Same question for you Twinstead, my hypothetical press conference, how would Armstrong have answered my question(s)? As you see, not a one of your colleagues has addressed this simple query of mine, for obvious reasons we can all easily see.

Why not ask the question again without all the "look at me" hysteria?

 

[twinstead]

Same question for you Twinstead, my hypothetical press conference, how would Armstrong have answered my question(s)? As you see, not a one of your colleagues has addressed this simple query of mine, for obvious reasons we can all easily see.

Due to the FACT that the Apollo landings took place like every friken' body else but you knows, I am totally uninterested in playing your rhetorical games. But thanks for playing; there will be a lovely consolation prize waiting for you at the door.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

We all see that you are still evading my question drewid. My hypothetical press conference, where I am a reporter and get to ask questions as above, how would Neil have answered me? We are all eagerly awaiting your response.

The difference between you and us it that we do not pretend to be able to read minds via 40 year old video. Conversely, we have, many of us, read in a multitude of books the words of Armstrong himself and those of his confidants, all providing a portrait of a quiet, taciturn man somewhat uncomfortable with being thrust into the public spotlight like newly found rock star.

 

[twinstead]

The only response you will ever get from me to any post you make Patrick is "due to the FACT that the landings took place, I can care less what you say" or some variation thereof.

Seriously. It's the only way to deal with people like you.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

I like the haiku responses, too. Those have been little gems scattered across the dungheap of the thread.

 

[Patrick1000]

The Boy Scout, Ph.D Zombie and Cislunar Bafoon Wouldn't have lasted 5 minutes.

Probably by treating you with the contempt you deserve, though I can dream that Aldrin would have given you a taste of his response to Jarrah White...

Seeing as I would be referencing NASA's own materials, I don't see how the Boy Scout, Ph.D Zombie and Cislunar Bafoon would together have lasted 5 minutes against me were we to have "debated" the coordinate confusion issue that day, 08/12/1969, in the context of the Apollo 11 Post Flight Press Conference charade.

Furthermore, I dare say, were Armstrong/Collins/Aldrin to read through this thread, their blood would run cold, and with good reason.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

<obnoxious drivel snipped>

How convenient for us that your work/rest cycle in "India" coincides with our morning pot of coffee here in the US.

So instead of presenting "facts" and "conclusions" you now feel confident presenting the results of your fantastic imagination. Thanks.

 

[Garrison]

Seeing as I would be referencing NASA's own materials, I don't see how the Boy Scout, Ph.D Zombie and Cislunar Bafoon would together have lasted 5 minutes against me were we to have "debated" the coordinate confusion issue that day, 08/12/1969, in the context of the Apollo 11 Post Flight Press Conference charade.

Furthermore, I dare say, were Armstrong/Collins/Aldrin to read through this thread, their blood would run cold, and with good reason.

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No that doesn't come across as delusional at all....

 

[Patrick1000]

Just the facts Apollognomon.

How convenient for us that your work/rest cycle in "India" coincides with our morning pot of coffee here in the US.

So instead of presenting "facts" and "conclusions" you now feel confident presenting the results of your fantastic imagination. Thanks.

No fantasy, no imagination, just the facts Apollognomon, how would Neil Armstrong have responded to my NASA document supported query at the 08/12/1969 Apollo 11 Post Flight Simulation Press Conference?

How is it Neil that the CapCom, Bruce McCandless, was referring to the landing site coordinates as the "64 thousand dollar question" in that Apollo 11 day 6-7 simulated mission conversation with you? Remember Commander Armstrong when CapCom Bruce McCandless and you were both expressing uncertainty about the Eagle's landing site in that cislunar conversation that took place over a day after the simulated landing? Remember Neil at exactly six days, seven hours, thirty-six minutes and twenty-two seconds into the simulation when you said, and I quote Neil;

"We're hoping, Bruce, that our 16-mm film was working at that point in descent, and we'll be able to confirm our touchdown position. We thought that during ascent we might be able to pick up some recognizable objects close to the landing site, and we did see a number of small craters, and crater rows, and things like that, which we may be able to pick out AFTER THE FACT, but we haven't been able to yet."

How is it Neil that you say you didn't know 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east when the Lick Observatory guys already knew those numbers for more than a whole day prior? Indeed Neil, they were shining laser light on the LRRR right in the middle of that conversation you were having with CapCom McCandless. They were shining ruby red laser light right smack dab on the center of that LRRR even in that very moment you guys were saying you didn't know 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east. How come you were saying you were hoping to find out these numbers AFTER THE FACT NEIL when some guys knew them all along? How is that Neil?

No fantastic imagination Apollognomon, just reading and recording the facts as presented in NASA's own documents. And now if you please, how might our beloved commander have responded to such an appropriate inquiry?

 

[Patrick1000]

Hypothetical Post Flight Press Conference

Were the astronauts to actually try and engage me in debate on that day, 08/12/1969, over the issue of their bogus lines about their lost bird, I'd subject them to the harshest intellectual dope slapping those clowns, or anyone present in that Houston auditorium that day had ever experienced or had ever born witness to. I would relish the opportunity. It would be so outta' this world delicious!

 

[Michael Cook]

Hey PattyFake and your band of sim-pals; How about forgetting the anal-retentive OCD repetitive minutiae posted in your vast walls of text and get to the vast inescapable reality: The thousands of Apollo Hasselblad photographs? They can be seen in all their glory at The Apollo Project Archive amongst other sites. How about debunking each and every one of them for me, in detail, including evidence of the sooper sekrit studio where they were taken? Surely with your collective sooper vast knowledge, (hah) you and your sim-pal hoaxer buddies must have devastating and revealing whistle blower insider information / photographs / documentation about all that for us? Things like cranes, studio lights, construction receipts, records and other goodies. Forget about the old chestnuts such as shadows, wires, the "c" rock, etc. Impress me please.

 

[drewid]

Were the astronauts to actually try and engage me in debate on that day, 08/12/1969, over the issue of their bogus lines about their lost bird, I'd subject them to the harshest intellectual dope slapping those clowns, or anyone present in that Houston auditorium that day had ever experienced or had ever born witness to. I would relish the opportunity. It would be so outta' this world delicious!

I think there would only be one dope in the room.

 

[drewid]

No fantasy, no imagination, just the facts Apollognomon, how would Neil Armstrong have responded to my NASA document supported query at the 08/12/1969 Apollo 11 Post Flight Simulation Press Conference?

How is it Neil that the CapCom, Bruce McCandless, was referring to the landing site coordinates as the "64 thousand dollar question" in that Apollo 11 day 6-7 simulated mission conversation with you? Remember Commander Armstrong when CapCom Bruce McCandless and you were both expressing uncertainty about the Eagle's landing site in that cislunar conversation that took place over a day after the simulated landing? Remember Neil at exactly six days, seven hours, thirty-six minutes and twenty-two seconds into the simulation when you said, and I quote Neil;

"We're hoping, Bruce, that our 16-mm film was working at that point in descent, and we'll be able to confirm our touchdown position. We thought that during ascent we might be able to pick up some recognizable objects close to the landing site, and we did see a number of small craters, and crater rows, and things like that, which we may be able to pick out AFTER THE FACT, but we haven't been able to yet."

How is it Neil that you say you didn't know 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east when the Lick Observatory guys already knew those numbers for more than a whole day prior? Indeed Neil, they were shining laser light on the LRRR right in the middle of that conversation you were having with CapCom McCandless. They were shining ruby red laser light right smack dab on the center of that LRRR even in that very moment you guys were saying you didn't know 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east. How come you were saying you were hoping to find out these numbers AFTER THE FACT NEIL when some guys knew them all along? How is that Neil?

No fantastic imagination Apollognomon, just reading and recording the facts as presented in NASA's own documents. And now if you please, how might our beloved commander have responded to such an appropriate inquiry?

So we have the core of it, but even then you can't state it in an adult fashion.