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Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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abaddon said:
Well, I did notice the switch to a totaly different style, what with the pics and irrelevant quotations.

One account but multiple users?

A kind of inverse sock, perhaps?
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The inverse of a brain trust.
 
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mercatormac said:
NASA certainly dodged a bullet there then. One thing I don't understand though, how does NASA prevent Luna 16, Luna 17, Luna 18, Luna 19, Luna 20, Luna 21, Luna 22, Luna 23 and Luna 24 or any other space probe from photographing the non-landing site and blowing the hoax wide open?
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One last point with respect to the "bird hiding", "star phobia", "laser fright", "Absentnaut Tranquility Base Truancy" issues, these are ongoing concerns for the "charadesters" mercator, ongoing concerns for team "Let's Instrument the Heck Out of the Moon". As such, these themes need to be emphasized by Armstrong and the others for the most part, throughout the fraud's real-time life. There are 6 missions to go after all.

This is why we see and hear absentnaut Armstrong relating the no stars in cislunar space jive to Patrick Moore in the 1970 BBC interview.

This is why bumbling and stumbling Alan Bean busts the tv camera at the very start of the Apollo 12 EVA. The little guy is cute in his own way, but could you actually see him trying to pilot a real spaceship? Talk about in over his head! I think the guy would find it hard enough to work a simulator, as we all would by the way. Don't want to say he is unintelligent, only that he is obviously not capable of doing what he was alleged to have done. He is not a bad painter really. What do you think mercatormac?

25 years down the road, when the real-time fraud experience is but a memory, they can relax with the bodaciously bogus bull and pretend like it was never the case to begin with, 'a la the idiotic book supposedly authored by Slayton, Shepard and Barbree, MOON SHOT, featuring the equally idiotic endorsement by the lead absentnaut Armstrong as an introduction. That marvelous quote again, now they can see stars after all, and easily no less;

" “Where were the stars?” the myth believers then asked. The cameras that NASA sent to the moon had to use short-exposure times to take pictures of the bright lunar surface and the moonwalkers’ white spacesuits. Stars’ images, easily seen by the moonwalkers, were too faint and underexposed to be seen as they are in photographs taken from space shuttles and the International Space Station. And why didn’t the descent rocket carve out a crater? Its thrust was simply too weak to make a huge dent in the lunar crust."

Barbree, Jay; Alan Shepard; Deke Slayton (2011-04-27). Moon Shot: The Inside Story of America's Apollo Moon Landings (ebook Locations 3607-3610). Open Road E-riginal.

Of course the absentnaut interviews and other anecdotes appearing "after the fact" in "after the fact" publications such as the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal are intended to cover up these nasty problems, nasty lies.

I'll cover that, the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal, very thoroughly in a future insanely long wall of post mercatormac. For now, this should help you see my general view of things with respect to this particularly interesting and important feature of the Apollo fraud.
 
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And this last post is just a hodge podge of HB wittering. I would get mad about the attacks on the astronauts if it weren't so pathetically shambolic
 
Patrick1000 said:
It all makes sense in the light of star phobia and laser fright.

Another very important question, previously answered very clearly, but perhaps not as directly as some would like. Let's do that here.

Redtail,

"star phobia" and "laser fright" are more about the astronauts not being forced to take someone else's picture than they are about avoiding pictures of the absentnauts.

Sure the absentnauts are absent. They are not at 00 41'15" north and 23 26' 00" east, and so bird hiding is in part about not exposing the absentnauts to the roving eye and camera of a space probe. The absence of the absentnauts at 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east on 07/21/69 at 03:00 UTC (EVA time) is proof of fraud. Remember, NASA would be afraid of a probe regardless of what kind of camera it is packing. It is the threat of being photographed, or more appropriately, not photographed, that is enough of a concern.

Also, keep in mind, the Russians have, in a very real sense, "won the space race". They started instrumenting the moon BEFORE we did. Their concern is more to see what we are doing, what we are parking up there. They know we don't have 2 men at 00 41' 15 " north and 23 26' 00" east. We have an LRRR and other "Apollo 11 stuff", perhaps in other places, perhaps all there.
So the absentnauts are exposed at 00 41' 15" north and 23 26' 00" east.

Photos of absentnauts, or more appropriately, lack thereof, at Tranquility Base on 07/21/1969, would be incriminating and proof of fraud, but it is not NASA's main fear, nor NASA's main motivation for intentionally losing their bird.

The main fear has to do more with the absentnauts being "forced" to take a picture of a laser. Well, more precisely, exposed for NOT taking a picture when they should be able to. If you shine an argon laser at commander Armstrong and it doesn't appear on his tv film as taken from the lunar surface or cislunar space, well then you have busted the commander for his Halloween antics. And indeed that holiday is coming up, so it is more than appropriate we cover this topic in our lead up to Patrick1000's hotly anticipated 10/31/2011, super surprise, H-bomb on NASA's head, post.

Also, as mentioned previously, friendlies can get the absentnauts in trouble with regard to their adolescent cislunar truancy as well. This is because if the absentnauts say, "yeah Hank, we see the McDonald Observatory argon laser!", but then, a week later, Hank realizes he "missed" the Columbia by 2 degrees and a ton of miles, and the absentnauts couldn't possibly have seen the argon laser from McDonald Observatory in El Paso, well then, Hank would then know the whole thing was fake. Hank might say to himself, "JEEEEEZ! WOW! maybe I should sell this info. for 5 cents or two nickels".

So the "fear of exposure", "star phobia" and "laser fright", has more to do with the fear of not being able to produce photos of lasers when they should, as opposed to being shown to be skipping space school and truant from the bogus cislunar lab, "Columbinot".

Finally, and to emphasize again, the Ruskies are doing reconnaissance here more or less. They could bust us, but that is not their intent. After all, they like to park antennae, LRRRs and what not on the moon too.

Finally, the fewer the pics out there the better, regardless of Ruskie motivation. Pics can leak, and the whole ditching space class charade can be exposed if one incriminating photograph floats free. So NASA has many reasons to hide the bird, limit photos, or lack thereof, of absentnauts, limit photos of equipment.

It's actually pretty cool I think. Can't wait to figure out exactly what they have up there. The details , you know. This is going to be so exciting when we get to the bottom of the crater.
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Wow, you've confused yourself so much you're responding to a month old post... With a different explanation from the one you gave a month ago.

Eta: Pssst. This is where you pretend to have figured something out since then.
 
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Redtail said:
Wow, you've confused yourself so much you're responding to a month old post... With a different explanation from the one you gave a month ago.

Eta: Pssst. This is where you pretend to have figured something out since then.
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Goodness Redtail, don't accuse pat of being self contradicting or obfuscating. He'll just get upset.

Did anyone else find the hissyfit monumentally hypocritical?
 
Patrick1000 said:
One last point with respect to the "bird hiding",
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Not one original thought, You're becoming irrelevant Pat. The same of tired debunked arguments from incredulity.

Dull dull dull.

I reckon you're just trolling now.
 
Or may be sleep deprivation is kicking in given that Patrick seems to stay up all night posting here?
 
Does he really think this sort of adolescent nonsense actually impresses the grown ups?
 
abaddon said:
No, he has now resorted to plain trolling with piccies and irrelevant quotations. Guess he has nothing left in the locker.
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A bit of a shame, he started out quite entertaining, but for the last few pages I have just skimmed. :(
 
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