Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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ApolloGnomon said:
...but apparently he's allowed to end sentences with a preposition where he's "at."
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Why the quotation marks around Google? By the way,I know a sentence that ends with six prepositions. I've been racking my brains for years trying to think of one with seven.
 
I've been trying to find a girl who would end her sentence with a proposition.
 
Scientific American, March !970

The March 1970 Scientific American features a nice article written by Professors Faller and Wampler of the LRRR Experimental team. As a matter of fact, the retroreflector is on the cover of the magazine. It is beautiful.

We learn in this article from the professors that the ruby light actually illuminated the surface of the moon despite its very brief duration, or pulse. Pulses of light should have been seen on Armstrong's moon video toward the end of the EVA.

The personal at Lick Observatory wore glasses to protect their eyes from reflected light, and even then , only would view any reflected light through a tv monitor out of concern for their eye safety.

Remember Armstrong walks about with his visor up. The astronauts never see the light pulsing, whereas the Lick astronomers see the light quite well, illuminating the lunar surface, albeit very briefly upon the "impact" of each pulse.

There is much more in this article exposing the mission as something other than it was claimed to be. But I shall leave you with that. I believe I have had quite enough of this.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
The March 1970 Scientific American features a nice article written by Professors Faller and Wampler of the LRRR Experimental team. As a matter of fact, the retroreflector is on the cover of the magazine. It is beautiful.

We learn in this article from the professors that the ruby light actually illuminated the surface of the moon despite its very brief duration, or pulse. Pulses of light should have been seen on Armstrong's moon video toward the end of the EVA.

The personal at Lick Observatory wore glasses to protect their eyes from reflected light, and even then , only would view any reflected light through a tv monitor out of concern for their eye safety.

Remember Armstrong walks about with his visor up. The astronauts never see the light pulsing, whereas the Lick astronomers see the light quite well, illuminating the lunar surface, albeit very briefly upon the "impact" of each pulse.

There is much more in this article exposing the mission as something other than it was claimed to be. But I shall leave you with that. I believe I have had quite enough of this.
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Ah... So instead he just runs from the photos.

Oh well, thanks to everyone who spent the time debunking his nonsense. You helped show me a lot about the Apollo program I didn't know.
 
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Prediction. A new member pops up somewhere saying something like "Ha ha , That Patrick1000 was a maroon wasn't he! Those mistakes really made me laugh!!! but the thing about Borman's poop got me thinking..."
 
And he still thinks they should have seen it. Incredible.
 
Patrick1000 said:
The astronauts were on the moon when the Lick staff received the coordinates. That information comes from personal communications with members of the team there that evening. You may find confirmation of that in some popular accounts as well. In the Apollo 11 Transcript Commentary, the public address officer tells us they are "trying again" to successfully target the laser. This is while the "astronauts are on the moon". Prior to this "trying again", the CapCom had informed Michael Collins that the LRRR was successfully targeted. Of course this was in error. What type of error, no one knows with any certainty.
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Oh, look; a total non-answer. Mark me not surprised.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Matt, it is not working, I know this stuff inside and out. Let's keep it simple. For your sake, we'll exclude the telemetry concern. Let's just say photons are bounced. The first time this was done, and done well as far as we know, was in the case of the ruby red photons bouncing off the "Apollo 11 LRRR". These experiments could be used in determining a value for both k and AU to a much greater accuracy than had ever previously been achieved.
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"I know this stuff inside out." Fixed it for you.

Dead wrong. Radar was bounced off the Moon long before the LRRR experiment. Heck, LIGHT was bounced off the Moon before Apollo 11 placed their LRRR.

The point of the LRRR was to make it possible to measure the distance of the Moon to fractions of a centimeter; in order to learn about some very subtle effects (frame dragging among them, if I recall correctly).
 
Patrick1000 said:
The personal at Lick Observatory wore glasses to protect their eyes from reflected light, and even then , only would view any reflected light through a tv monitor out of concern for their eye safety.
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They wore safety glasses but then only watched the light on TV? You can't play too safe I suppose.

Next time some guy on TV is welding I'm going to run and fetch my welder's mask :D
 
I missed that one. Patrick thinks the light reflected off the LRRR and received on Earth was both so powerful and so focused that the folk at the observatory (and only at the observatory) had to wear eye protection?

You can't make up stuff like this.

I suppose it never occurred to Patrick that a telescope is not an optically pure system (just a very, very clean one) and thus even when everything worked correctly some stray laser light would be bouncing around. Plus the light reflected off particulate matter in the atmosphere above the observatory...
 
Patrick1000 said:
The March 1970 Scientific American features a nice article written by Professors Faller and Wampler of the LRRR Experimental team. As a matter of fact, the retroreflector is on the cover of the magazine. It is beautiful.
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Was that hand delivered to you too?
We learn in this article from the professors that the ruby light actually illuminated the surface of the moon despite its very brief duration, or pulse. Pulses of light should have been seen on Armstrong's moon video toward the end of the EVA.
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They shone a light on the moon and it actually illuminated the moon? I'm staggered by this revelation. Surely that proves the cameras should have seen it. I mean, if it was the kind of light that illuminates stuff, then it's obvious, isn't it?

The personal at Lick Observatory wore glasses to protect their eyes from reflected light, and even then , only would view any reflected light through a tv monitor out of concern for their eye safety.

Remember Armstrong walks about with his visor up. The astronauts never see the light pulsing, whereas the Lick astronomers see the light quite well, illuminating the lunar surface, albeit very briefly upon the "impact" of each pulse.
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I'm not the first, or even the second, but I can't resist joining in pointing out the bleedin' obvious to you: the Lick personnel wore eye protection against stray outgoing light, not the return light, which they could not hope to see except with their instrumentation.

I believe I have had quite enough of this.
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I wish I believed you.
 
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