A Whole Bunch More Reasons from my rebuttal videos
OK gang,
Here are more of those 235 reasons not to believe in CD. Bill is right, it's really daunting dealing with these reasons. It was daunting for me too. Remember, almost all of these reasons are rebuttals of Gage's Blueprint for Truth. I went through everything he said in that video and in my debate and tore it apart. I tried hard to leave no stone unturned, so as not to be accused of not dealing with the truth. A reminder, please if you respond to these, do so in the context of the videos from whence they came, since much more context and explanation is given there. I don't understand how anyone can watch these videos, see these 235+ reasons, and blow them off as irrelevant.
Part Two: Richard Gage’s 10 Reasons for Controlled Demolition etc.
Reason 45: Total Dismemberment of Steel Structures DID NOT HAPPEN see slide
#46. Minimal Damage to Adjacent Structures????? Major damage picture
#47. Dust Clouds Common to Controlled Demolition and Natural Collapse
Reason #48.) By Definition Controlled Demolition Impossible With Variables Like Plane Crashes and Fires
#49.) Tom Sullivan: Very Hard to Make It Perfect Under Best of Circumstances
#50.) Explosive Sounds In Controlled Demo
#51.) Squibs Appear in Logical Patterns
#52.) Squibs Appear Before Collapse
Reason #53: If lateral ejections from controlled demolition, then ½ mile away you would hear deafening 140 db sounds
Reason #54: All six companies in the world that can bring down tall buildings dismiss this theory. They can’t tear down the world’s tallest buildings in secret in an entirely new way while a raging fire is going on, tossing in two crashing 767s to randomize structural damage and make the feat even more virtuosic.
Part Three:
History of tall steel frame buildings destroyed by fire
Reason #55.) There has never been a tall building where a large jet with 98,500 liters of exploding fuel hit at over 500 mph creating massive fires where softened steel has had to hold up 180,000,000 pounds above it.
Reason #56.) The World Trade Center Towers dispensed with heavy concrete reinforcement because its weight would have made a 110 story skyscraper unsound. Instead the builders used a spray on fire retardant.
***#57: Tall Steel Framed Building’s Very Fast, Almost Symmetrical, Collapse into its Own Footprint after coffeemaker fire
Reason #58.) Steel Frame Structures Collapse in Fire:
In 1997 the large Sound Theatre in Pennsylvania
In 1967, the very large steel-framed McCormick Center in Chicago collapsed in 30 minutes
Three four-story-high steel framed buildings at the Kadel Toy Factory in Singapore collapsed in 1997
The Mumbai High North Oil Platform, constructed of steel and seven stories high, completely collapsed after burning for two hours
Interstate 580 overpass near San Francisco, supported only by steel beams, collapsed due to the heat of a gasoline fire after nineteen minutes
Sofa SuperStore Charleston SC, long span roof trusses
WTC 5 had a partial collapse of four floors on 911.
#59.) People Surprised By Steel Building Collapses Since 1900 (Unsinkable Titanic)!
#60.) Traditional bldgs : steel-reinforced concrete. In fires, steel bends and concrete holds it together.
#62.) Vincent Dunn has “seen twisted, warped, bent and sagging steel. Steel tries to expand at both ends, when it can no longer expand, it sags…"
Reason #63: Barehanded Guys Bending Steel Around a Tree (Sherman’s Necktie)
#64.) Robert Berhinig, 1967: “steel frame buildings can collapse as a result of… fire. This is true for all types of construction materials, not only steel.”
#65.) If Steel Can’t Be Brought Down By Fire, Why Bother With Concrete Reinforcement or Fireproofing of Steel Frames?
Part 4: Gravity, Symmetrical vs. Asymmetrical and “Near free fall” collapse
Reason #66.) Towers did not fall at almost free fall speed.
#67.) Towers provided structural resistance and fell at 2/3 free fall: 180,000,000 pounds crashing down at 100+ mph.
#68.) Core with its extra structural supports came down last, standing 25 seconds. The core structure would always get detonated first or the building collapse won’t work right.
Reason #69: Force equals Mass times Acceleration
10,000,000 pounds of force becomes 98,000,000 pounds of force in one second;
196,000,000 pounds of force in two seconds
Reason #70.) F. R. Greening: WTC buildings weighed 580 million pounds: WTC II: 180,000,000 pounds on top going 100mph, overwhelming resistance.
#71.) 7 to 14 times the structural load was on the buildings during the collapse.
#72.) In two seconds, free-fall is about 45 miles per hour.
Reason #73 : average strength during collapse a tiny fraction of static strength “Toughness" = work required to fracture material Much less than the static strength of each member times its length
#74.) Can Explosives Right this 22o Tilting Top??
Reason #75.) Top of the South Tower is tilted 22 degrees into the hole left behind by the plane crash.
#76.) Explosives would be destroyed
#77.) Shape Charges Sensitive to Geometry
#78.) Explosives burn, detonate or degrade in high heat.
#79.) Detonators, receivers, wiring, connections between explosives are sensitive.
#80.) Demolition crews could not instantly right the 180,000,000 pound building top collapsing at high speeds in mid-course; collapse initiation in a raging fire
#81: Lateral Force vs Gravity: Sideways vs Downward Forces
Reason #82.) Fast descent of building: collapsed to ground before time to tip over.
Reason #83.) Gravity overcame angular momentum and pulled it back.
Reason #84.) The crushed structure resists, reactive force will tend to keep the upper block centered.
#85.) Towers rotated a few degrees, a gradual collapse mechanism. If all the supports had failed simultaneously in a controlled demolition, neither Tower would have rotated.
#86.) The toppling collapse theory requires crushing to be occurring on only one side, which is implausible.
Part Five: Lateral ejection of heavy objects and Squibs
Reason #88.) Building collapse accelerates, pushing air out faster, causing greater lateral ejection
Reason #87 Lateral Ejection of Steel Beams Not a Sign of Classic Controlled Demolition… Very Little Lateral Ejection at First, Increases With Acceleration
Reason #89: Hurricane Andrew: Impaled Plywood with winds ¼ the speed of wind from Towers’ collapses
Reason #90 : ½ million cubic feet of air per floor at 12 floors per second
Reason #91 : Bow-and-arrow effect when inward-bowing columns snap back and shoot “arrows” of steel
Reason #92 : “Pinball” effect when steel falling outside vertically hits another object and deflects horizontally
Reason #93: Loud Explosions can’t be Masked
Reason #93a for Natural Collapse: Random Squibs
REASON #94.) Squibs happened after collapse began.
REASON #95.) Survivors felt “hurricane wind” in stairwells.
REASON #96.) No structural deformations from squibs.
#97.) Squibs Start Slowly Then Grow As Collapse Nears
Reason #98.) By The Way: A 110-Story Building of 95% Air Would Leave a Debris Pile of 6 Stories if All Air Removed
Reason #99.) If Squibs Premature Charges, Others Would Not Have Gone Off And Would Be Found
Part Six:
Pulverizing concrete and Steel
REASON #100.) Almost all physicists insist there was plenty of energy to thoroughly but gradually pulverize three-to-four-inch layers of concrete.
#101.) Gage says 110,000 kw hrs not enough energy to pulverize concrete, but it is more than a W-48 nuclear weapon
#102.) 1,000 tons of thermite would blow the tops of the Towers hundreds of feet up
#102a.) Dust cloud could not have expanded thermally 3.4 times of cloud would have been 1300o
#103.) Most of the Concrete Pulverized: Nanothermites Exploding Every Inch?
#104.) Rescue crews walked on cool rubble immediately. Hot nanothermites would make that impossible
Reason #105: Not All the Concrete Completely Pulverized. Large expanses of medium and small size concrete chunks in sandy concrete not fully pulverized
#106: Twenty Pancaked Floors
#107.) Are those pancaked floor layers in the right photo of this Blueprint for Truth Slide?
#108.) Pyroclastic Clouds Kill Entire Villages
#109.) This Is Not 1100o; Dust a Bit Warm from Fires
#110.) Why didn’t nanothermites burn millions of sheets of paper?
#110.) If nanothermites, flying beams would be red or even white hot on the edges
#111.) If those clean diagonal cuts on debris beams, then why aren’t diagonal cuts visible in the pictures of the flying steel beams?
Part Seven: Eyewitness Accounts of Explosions
#112.) no loud blasting sounds on videos
#113.) No 140 db blasting sounds ½ mile away
#114.) Masking explosive sounds by 8db max
#115.) Nanothermites may be low explosive
#116.) I read 50 firefighters’ accounts of explosive sounds around collapse time, not before:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/package...s_full_01.html
#117.) Some explosions before from fuel in elevator shafts and in the basement, crashing freight elevator
#118.) No seismic evidence of major explosions
#119.) White smoke explosions in fires
#120.) Only Ten or so former FDNY firefighters still think bombs were used
(5000 FDNY employees)
#121.) Few firefighters can distinguish sound of bombs from regular fire explosions; many are getting trained now
#122.) Firefighters say office fire explosions common
#123.) These explode in office fires (partial list)
HVAC equipment including condensors and compressors
Cleaning supplies
CRT type TV's and computer monitors.
Large motors that have an oil reservoir for lube.
Elevator lift motors
hydraulic pistons found in office chair.
UPS battery backups
Tires in vehicles
Steam explosions when water hits a hot fire or molten aluminum
Propane tanks
A metal fire, possibly aluminum, as NIST proposed
After the first collapse, firefighters’ SCOTT pack bottles
#124.) If FDNY thought there were bombs, they would have ordered evacuation.
#125.) NIST: 72% smelled jet fuel in stairwells.
#126. ) Random Eyewitness Accounts of fireballs, or mere flashes, or ground shaking with no other effect.
#127.) Philip Morrell: ground shaking caused by freight elevator crash.
Part 8: Molten iron/steel in debris and from side of building
Reason #128.) Molten Debris Came From Plane Crash Site, is Discolored Aluminum Soup Mixed With Burnt Office Furniture, Paper, Etc.
# 129.) Why molten debris here only? Why asymmetrical?
#130.) WTC Designer Leslie Robertson said he wasn’t qualified to talk about molten steel
#131.) NASA Satellite Images show only 1400o, not 2800o
#131a.) Abundant Aluminum in Debris to Melt at 1200 degrees
#132) Molten Steel Would Have Destroyed the Claw
#133) Regular Fires Can Last for Months
#134) Thermites Burn Out Fast, Not for Months
#135) Fuel oil from generators seeped down on fire
#136.) V. Palmieri Testified he used USGS Maps, 1400o Max
#137.) Steel Girders from Burning Floors
#138.) If temps 2800o, then thermal expansion of water would have caused water explosions
#139.) Diagonal Cuts in Beams in Debris Caused by Thermitics? No, cut by first responders
Reason #140.) Pools of Molten Metal Localized, Not Universal
Reason #141.) Debris Pile 10-12 Stories High/Deep
Part Nine: Iron Microspheres and Sulfidized Steel
Reason #142.) Iron mixed with other metals has a lower melting point.
#143.) Fire burns off materials and leaves higher concentration of iron-rich spheres
#144.) “Thousands of cutter charges” a logistical nightmare which would leave behind:
Steel fractures with high rate-of-strain
Copper around cut surfaces and inside steel
Abundant steel schrapnel
#143.) Thermitics would leave tons of formerly melted iron blobs in the debris pile, not just microspheres.
#144.) In the early 1970s, thousands of very hot welded steel connections were made during construction; this would be a source of countless iron microspheres
Reason #145.) RJ Lee Dust study says iron-rich spheres to be expected in fire
#146: Photo and Spectograph of iron-rich sphere in Tolk fly ash
Part 10 Sulfidized Steel
#146a.) FEMA Appendix C: Corroded Steel, Evidence of Fires Under 1800 Degrees.
#147.) Thermate Surgically Cuts Through Steel Like a Hot Knife Through Butter?? Picture shows steel corroded in random patterns.
Reason #148.) Sulfidized Steel Melts at Much Lower Temperatures
#149.) Thermate would cut too slowly for precise controlled demolition
#150.) Localized Sulfidized Steel, Not Found Throughout Debris
#151.) Sulfidized steel: all horizontal beams, not support columns; can’t explain a global collapse.
#152.) 911 firefighter Vincent Palmieri: “I understand that there were a few steel pieces that were corroded by sulfur, but in the massive debris piles I worked on I never saw a single example of sulfidized steel.”
#153.) Intergranular melting is not classic melting; 4500 degree thermites would obliterate structure of sulfidized steel
#154.) Discoverer Jonathan Barnett’s Possible Causes for Sulfidized Steel:
-Heating oil
-Construction materials such as gyp wallboard dust
-environmental sources such as acid rain
Never Mentions Thermate!
#155.) CSWDC Waste Company: Gypsum can create sulfur dioxide when burned
Part Eleven: Thermitics in the Dust?
Reason #156.) 2001: nanothermites in development stage
#157.) Nanothermites nonexplosive? heat not gas?
Reason #158: The least energetic dust sample with The highest ignition temperature (in blue) is plotted against known nanothermite: not a match
#159.) Carbon-based materials burned in air may have caused energy spike, not thermites
#160.) If you found unexploded thermitics then where are the unexploded triggering devices?
Tests Inconclusive Because:
#161.) Burning test should have used argon or nitrogen gas to see if thermites burn without oxygen.
#162.) Tillotson used PXRD in original nanothermite experiment; Harritt et al did not
Reason #163.) Gage flashed spectographs of dust vs thermites, they looked different and he never explained them
#164.) No aluminum oxide in dust sample, which would be residue of exploded thermite
#165.) Not adequately tested for flourine in the dust, which Kevin claims is used to stablize the silicon.
Reason #166.) Everything found in the dust was in the towers (if not true, more proof needed):
sulfur in the gypsum
iron in paint and electrical equipment
manganese in steel
flourine in air-conditioning freon
titanium in the planes and buildings
potassium in concrete (bananas in the snack room?... Just kidding!)
Chips claimed to be identical to the chemical composition of the paint, fire retardant, vermiculite, sReason #167.) EPA's Erik Swartz told the Times Union 1,3-diphenylpropane (1,3-DPP), was present at levels "that dwarfed all others,” produced by plastic of burning computersound-proofing and rustproofing.
Reason #168: The Next Essential Steps Have Not Been Taken
Richard Gage: We need repeatable experiments on the dust.”
Complete the discovery with presentation of findings to qualified scientists
Release dust samples to any one of these independent labs for testing: RJ Lee, EMRTC, MACE, or NJIT's ACN group.
Reason #169: bin Laden said he did it
You asked for it...
Richard Gage claims that near the end, “The fires were diminishing severely.” But they grew from 3 to 14 floors in less than an hour.
Bedunkers really need to retire this one.
Didn't you just finish saying that CD doesn't produce smoke and debris out the tops of buildings?? Or does your meaning hinge on the word "significant"?