Known Physics That Could Make Cold Fusion Possible?

[DeathDart]

We could search for leprechauns too.

Are Hobbits close enough?

 

[BoogieWoogieWookie]

Have you tried reversing the polarity of the neutron flow?

You can't do that because that will cause spacial-sonic reverberations and n^th order harmonic feedback in the subspace field generators.

Not to mention the damage to the flux capacitors!

 

[ben m]

You can't do that because that will cause spacial-sonic reverberations and n^th order harmonic feedback in the subspace field generators.

One word: unobtanium. There's a great future in unobtanium. Think about it.

 

[dafydd]

Are Hobbits close enough?

Why not? Knock yourself out.

 

[DeathDart]

I can read people, and I am not reading intentional deceit from the majority of the people conducting these experiments.

I believe that pathological science can exist. "Dark Matter" proves that. They may have found the Illuminati's missing chapter on Relativity

Cold Fusion could be an example of belief over reality.

There is too much test data that reports the same phenomena, too much data that the experimenters couldn't explain. Most of the surprises that they got, were usually bad surprises. This is consistent with either misunderstood or misapplied scientific technique, or a phenomena with complex variables.

 

[DeathDart]

A partial answer to your question about my physics training.

It was on the job training. I worked as a tech calibrating to a NIST standard, light sources and lasers. Microwatt to 100's of watts. I am familiar with calorimeters and some of the problems with using them correctly.

I also have had O.J.T. in weighing and force devices.

Here..... was a way of saying that I was learning from the discussions here.

 

[dafydd]

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[dafydd]

I can read people, and I am not reading intentional deceit from the majority of the people conducting these experiments.

I believe that pathological science can exist. "Dark Matter" proves that. They may have found the Illuminati's missing chapter on Relativity

Cold Fusion could be an example of belief over reality.

There is too much test data that reports the same phenomena, too much data that the experimenters couldn't explain. Most of the surprises that they got, were usually bad surprises. This is consistent with either misunderstood or misapplied scientific technique, or a phenomena with complex variables.

So we can conclude that there is no known physics that makes cold fusion possible? Is that what you are groping towards saying?

 

[ben m]

There is too much test data that reports the same phenomena,

No there's not. I have a hard time thinking of two cold-fusion experiments that don't explicitly contradict each other.

too much data that the experimenters couldn't explain.

Couldn't explain, or repeat, or tell someone else how to reproduce, or measure precisely, or add controls to, or adjust parameters of, or ...

 

[DeathDart]

So we can conclude that there is no known physics that makes cold fusion possible? Is that what you are groping towards saying?

What I am saying is that there is a strong hint, a possibility that this is a new phenomena. I find it tempting. I have given in to temptation before, and it usually ended up wasting my time and money. But not every time.

The amplitude and strength of phonons or EM surface waves could be an area to look at in more detail. If the candidate process can't produce the desired results under nearly ideal conditions, they will do poorly in Deuterium fattened Palladium.

Another assumption, is that this is an energy source, this might be some thing else.

In regard to neutrino capture, a particle or a hole in a solid state material that is traveling in the same direction (3D Vector) as a neutrino could have slightly more time to interact with a neutrino. This could increase the probability of interaction. This does not apply just to cold fusion. A beam of particles in space that closely tracks the 3D vector of solar neutrinos might have a much greater probability of interacting.

 

[dafydd]

What I am saying is that there is a strong hint, a possibility that this is a new phenomena. I find it tempting. I have given in to temptation before, and it usually ended up wasting my time and money. But not every time. The amplitude and strength of phonons or EM surface waves could be an area to look at in more detail. If the candidate process can't produce the desired results under nearly ideal conditions, they will do poorly in Deuterium fattened Palladium.

Another assumption, is that this is an energy source, this might be some thing else.

In regard to neutrino capture, a particle or a hole in a solid state material that is traveling in the same direction (3D Vector) as a neutrino could have slightly more time to interact with a neutrino. This could increase the probability of interaction. This does not apply just to cold fusion. A beam of particles in space that closely tracks the 3D vector of solar neutrinos might have a much greater probability of interacting.

I'll save you money. You are barking up the wrong tree.

 

[ben m]

The amplitude and strength of phonons or EM surface waves could be an area to look at in more detail.

What calculations have you done, and what do you plan to do? Can you cite a specific calculation that told you anything encouraging whatsoever?

In regard to neutrino capture, a particle or a hole in a solid state material that is traveling in the same direction (3D Vector) as a neutrino could have slightly more time to interact with a neutrino. This could increase the probability of interaction.

Nope. That logic works for some types of interaction, but emphatically not for neutrinos. A target moving in the same direction as the neutrino will have a *lower* cross section than a target sitting still. (Boost into a frame where the target is stationary, and you'll see the collision with a lower-energy neutrino, and in this case the cross section is lower.) In any case, given the (known) extremely high velocities of neutrinos, boosting by any Earthlike speeds whatsoever has essentially no effect on the interaction. Heck, the beam of 20 keV deuterons in an actual d-d fusor is only moving at 0.3% the speed of a solar neutrino.

 

[kowalskil]

A spectacular CF claim, made by Andrea Rossi, and my comments, can be seen seen at

http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/399rossi2.html

We were told to expect a great demonstration next month.

 

[dafydd]

A spectacular CF claim, made by Andrea Rossi, and my comments, can be seen seen at

http://pages.csam.montclair.edu/~kowalski/cf/399rossi2.html

We were told to expect a great demonstration next month.

Don't hold your breath. I expect a damp squib accompanied by claims of success.

 

[jsfisher]

There is a simple approach that for inexplicable reasons remains unexplored. The key can be found in rare-earth ceramics. Ceramic crystals can be grown in a rotating slurry. A magnetic field must be applied at or just over the Telsa limit to produce planar pseudo-icosahedron (PPI) structures.

Stannous fluoride filaments can be introduced during the crystal formation process. Constrained by the PPI rotating in the intensive magnetic field, the filaments align into concentric ringlets. These micro structures are essential; the ringlets and PPI create a functional Tokamak at the molecular level wherein the fusion will occur.

When placed in an appropriate containment vessel (this supplier comes highly recommended) in a hydrogen rich environment and exposed to high-volume microwaves, fusion may be observed. The microwaves, by the way, need to be polarized in a plane perpendicular to their propagation. (Microwave ovens are not generally suitable for this purpose, even the 1300W units.)

That's the theory, anyway.

 

[DeathDart]

I am going to look at it further, my arguments run parallel to theirs. Iwamura's Experiments are simpler, kind of, it may have a clue. Rossi doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

 

[dafydd]

I am going to look at it further, my arguments run parallel to theirs. Iwamura's Experiments are simpler, kind of, it may have a clue. Rossi doesn't give me a lot of confidence.

Your time is your own to waste.

 

[DeathDart]

What calculations have you done, and what do you plan to do? Can you cite a specific calculation that told you anything encouraging whatsoever?



Nope. That logic works for some types of interaction, but emphatically not for neutrinos. A target moving in the same direction as the neutrino will have a *lower* cross section than a target sitting still. (Boost into a frame where the target is stationary, and you'll see the collision with a lower-energy neutrino, and in this case the cross section is lower.) In any case, given the (known) extremely high velocities of neutrinos, boosting by any Earthlike speeds whatsoever has essentially no effect on the interaction. Heck, the beam of 20 keV deuterons in an actual d-d fusor is only moving at 0.3% the speed of a solar neutrino.

The presence of surface waves is encouraging, this (Generically) allows acceleration. Once a charged particle Proton-Neutron reaches high enough velocity, the magnetic field it generates (motor equivalent counter EMF) could suppress the surface wave, and acceleration stops.

Counter-counter idea is that the surface is on the inside of a horn shape. The signal is rapidly ramped up then zeroed. The Deuteron accelerates down the middle of the horn long axis. As it accelerates, its distance from the wall increases, reducing suppression of the field on the surface. Field generation increases to compensate for both increasing distance and a larger surface for the wave to occupy.

I know, I will run out of wave generating capacity really quickly. Though an infrared laser might boost it.

 

[ben m]

The presence of surface waves is encouraging, this (Generically) allows acceleration. Once a charged particle Proton-Neutron reaches high enough velocity, the magnetic field it generates (motor equivalent counter EMF) could suppress the surface wave, and acceleration stops.

I asked whether you had done a calculation that was encouraging. The presence of gravity also "generically" allows acceleration, but you aren't jumping on that.

 

[dafydd]

I asked whether you had done a calculation that was encouraging. The presence of gravity also "generically" allows acceleration, but you aren't jumping on that.

We don't need no stinkin' equations!