Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

[Gamolon]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hSApOavkHg8

Question.

Can you please post other videos of controlled demolitions which show other 4 -20 pieces of components being ejected 600 feet horizontally?

 

[chrismohr]

Alienentity,

This is completely new information to me. Are you saying there was no 600 foot ejection of these steel beams, that these parts of the building were part of a tower collapse that went out 600 feet and some of the collapsing debris just got stuck in the buildings? I don't really know where all the beams went to, in which directions and into which buildings. Is this a consistent pattern for all these beams? Can you say this explains all the beams lodged into buildings?

My video part 5 doesn't even mention any of this. Ryan Mackey's white paper doesn't have this, if I recall. I never saw this on any of your videos, at least not one I've seen. We all had other hypotheses, like wind, bow and arrow effect, pinball effect of beams hitting other collapsing material and bouncing outward, etc. I would have pursued this before developing part 5 if I had known! Is this really true?

 

[Marokkaan]

So aside from not having anything to counter any of those points other than your own ignorance of well known facts regarding explosives and incendiary in general, especially facts available to the public at large, you doubt that I have in fact had years of experience handling conventional explosives and pyrotechnic devices?

My DD214 (with stuff that's none of your business) showing my rate (Torpedoman 1st Class (submarines)) and some of the classes I took at my last command. Submarine Torpedo Supervisor and Ammunition Administration. That is as much of my service record that I'm willing to show here.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/449/214lg.jpg

It's too large to put here in the thread but go ahead and take a peek...

Will you need some condiments with those shoes or will you be eating them dry?

A Torpedoman's Mate:[2]

Performed organizational and intermediate level maintenance on underwater ordnance
Handled torpedoes and antisubmarine rockets (ASROC) launched from surface ships, submarines, and aircraft, as well as missiles (Tomahawk/Harpoon), decoys, and countermeasures launched from submarines
Operated and maintained test equipment, launching/firing systems, and stowage facilities associated with underwater ordnance
Prepared underwater ordnance for launching, conduct postfire/postrun routines, and weapons performance evaluation procedures
Performed organizational and intermediate level maintenance on underwater ordnance.

I can not read anything about nano-thermite, thermate, rdx? or the other thousands of explosives?

 

[Edx]

Hi all,

I just got a request to donate to JREF, and considering all the work they do to keep all these incredible threads open, how can I refuse? My church has agreed to make a donation, one of a very few they will get this year from a church I would think!

Are you sure they understand it is to the JREF and they know what the JREF does?? I can understand if you donate personally, but I can imagine church members not really appreciating that their money went to an organisation that promotes atheism. Just a thought.

 

[Edx]

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I can not read anything about nano-thermite, thermate, rdx? or the other thousands of explosives?

Just how much experience does he need to have? He has more experience than Steven JOnes, Richard Gage, David Chandler etc.. and of course YOU.

Or maybe you should deal with the facts and not handwave the issues demanding someone should be an expert and yet ignore them anyway and move the goal posts when they show they have more experience with the subject than you and most of your sources.

 

[chrismohr]

Are you sure they understand it is to the JREF and they know what the JREF does?? I can understand if you donate personally, but I can imagine church members not really appreciating that their money went to an organisation that promotes atheism. Just a thought.

JREF promotes skeptical inquiry. Not all churches are traditional Christian, they'll be fine.

 

[chrismohr]

Alienentity and others,

Following through on my earlier inquiry about the "lateral ejection" of the big steel beams sticking out of the buildings, I at first asked in essence, can we show evidence that all the beams we see sticking out of the buildings were directly above parts of the debris pile, therefore NO EJECTION? Conversely, another question: come to think of it, in all the WTC collapse videos I've watched, I don't remember ever seeing huge beams soaring horizontally through the air. I have of course seen huge panels break off and tip over and away from the building, but no beams shooting like arrows horizontally.

I need to wrap my mind around this new information; does anyone have answers to either of these questions? Thanks, Chris

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Alienentity and others,

Following through on my earlier inquiry about the "lateral ejection" of the big steel beams sticking out of the buildings, I at first asked in essence, can we show evidence that all the beams we see sticking out of the buildings were directly above parts of the debris pile, therefore NO EJECTION? Conversely, another question: come to think of it, in all the WTC collapse videos I've watched, I don't remember ever seeing huge beams soaring horizontally through the air. I have of course seen huge panels break off and tip over and away from the building, but no beams shooting like arrows horizontally.

I need to wrap my mind around this new information; does anyone have answers to either of these questions? Thanks, Chris

Nothing to wrap your mind around Chris. The towers were 1300 plus feet high and when they fell the outer columns were pushed out and peeled back. 600 feet is less than half the height so if some of them went that far is not at all surprising.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

JREF promotes skeptical inquiry. Not all churches are traditional Christian, they'll be fine.

Sounds like the church of England

 

[Clayton Moore]

So you mean to tell me that it's not possible for one of the 1300' tall perimeter walls to fall in a parabolic trajectory and have debris fall 600 feet away? It had to have been EJECTED with the force of an explosion?

I see perimeter columns peeling away like banana peels as the internal debris block descends and shears/severs the floor connections to said perimeter columns, thus pushing the perimeter sections outward.

Are you telling me that my explanation above is impossible and that it had to be explosives?

Do you see all the aluminum cladding pieces "fluttering" as they fall? Or are you telling me that those are the 4 ton pieces?

You telling me that doesn't look like a series of explosions?

 

[Xero]

You telling me that doesn't look like a series of explosions?

Have you not been reading all this time?

 

[Edx]

You telling me that doesn't look like a series of explosions?

You know explosives are loud right? Or are you deaf?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

You telling me that doesn't look like a series of explosions?

when will you learn that "look like" is not the same as "is"?

 

[Sam.I.Am]

A Torpedoman's Mate:[2]

Performed organizational and intermediate level maintenance on underwater ordnance
Handled torpedoes and antisubmarine rockets (ASROC) launched from surface ships, submarines, and aircraft, as well as missiles (Tomahawk/Harpoon), decoys, and countermeasures launched from submarines
Operated and maintained test equipment, launching/firing systems, and stowage facilities associated with underwater ordnance
Prepared underwater ordnance for launching, conduct postfire/postrun routines, and weapons performance evaluation procedures
Performed organizational and intermediate level maintenance on underwater ordnance.

I can not read anything about nano-thermite, thermate, rdx? or the other thousands of explosives?

Without going into detail, the weapons I worked with were not uncomplicated pieces of ordnance with just one type of explosive in them. To use your own example, RDX is found inside the exploder mechanism of a MK 48 torpedo as a part of the explosive train.

Your second point about therm*te is just dumb. Therm*te is an incendiary. All submarines regardless of country carries flares and smokes as marking devices (red for emergency, green and yellow for predetermined operations such as making it easier for a helicopter to find us in order to to get someone off the boat and back to shore quickly for example). These pyrotechnic devices (we carried roughly 50 of them) have incendiary materials (it's the primary component) and are a part of the larger category of underwater ordnance mentioned in your own cut and paste above.

One of our primary concerns with these devices was the accidental ignition of these devices inside the boat and the fact that they were capable of burning through the pressure hull. Just like thermite might do. So while it's true that they weren't pure thermite (they contained extra ingredients such as copper for coloring purposes for example) they are similar enough to require the exact same training in their handling, use and storage as you would for thermite.

The funny thing about explosives and incendiaries is that they all have pretty much the same rules regardless of what they are made of or what they are found in. Aside from specific handling gear and the procedures needed to safely use it, all of the same publications are used fleet-wide when it comes to general safety rules and procedures. You see, explosives don't know or care about where they are. They all have the same requirements for detonation and once those requirements are met they will explode.

Now while I know that your probably going to find some other whiny nitpick to go on about I will simply point out that I do in fact have much more training and experience with explosives and incendiaries than you or, for that matter, anyone else in the truth movement that I've seen to date.

I don't mock you personally because of your ignorance on these matters, ignorance can be fixed through education, I mock you because when you are told that your fantasies have serious issues and conflicts with reality you rely upon hucksters, charlatans and the mentally ill for your information instead of people who actually know what they are talking about by benefit of years of experience and training. In other words I mock you because of your willfull ignorance.

How was that shoe?

 

[Edx]

JREF promotes skeptical inquiry. Not all churches are traditional Christian, they'll be fine.

Still, even I think the JREF is a step[1] too far[2], but hey its your church So long as they know what they are donating to. The Richard Dawkins Foundation also promotes skeptical enquiry as well, just so you know.

 

[George 152]

Without going into detail, the weapons I worked with were not uncomplicated pieces of ordnance with just one type of explosive in them. To use your own example, RDX is found inside the exploder mechanism of a MK 48 torpedo as a part of the explosive train.

Your second point about therm*te is just dumb. Therm*te is an incendiary. All submarines regardless of country carries flares and smokes as marking devices (red for emergency, green and yellow for predetermined operations such as making it easier for a helicopter to find us in order to to get someone off the boat and back to shore quickly for example). These pyrotechnic devices (we carried roughly 50 of them) have incendiary materials (it's the primary component) and are a part of the larger category of underwater ordnance mentioned in your own cut and paste above.

One of our primary concerns with these devices was the accidental ignition of these devices inside the boat and the fact that they were capable of burning through the pressure hull. Just like thermite might do. So while it's true that they weren't pure thermite (they contained extra ingredients such as copper for coloring purposes for example) they are similar enough to require the exact same training in their handling, use and storage as you would for thermite.

The funny thing about explosives and incendiaries is that they all have pretty much the same rules regardless of what they are made of or what they are found in. Aside from specific handling gear and the procedures needed to safely use it, all of the same publications are used fleet-wide when it comes to general safety rules and procedures. You see, explosives don't know or care about where they are. They all have the same requirements for detonation and once those requirements are met they will explode.

Now while I know that your probably going to find some other whiny nitpick to go on about I will simply point out that I do in fact have much more training and experience with explosives and incendiaries than you or, for that matter, anyone else in the truth movement that I've seen to date.

I don't mock you personally because of your ignorance on these matters, ignorance can be fixed through education, I mock you because when you are told that your fantasies have serious issues and conflicts with reality you rely upon hucksters, charlatans and the mentally ill for your information instead of people who actually know what they are talking about by benefit of years of experience and training. In other words I mock you because of your willfull ignorance.

How was that shoe?

Well put

 

[DGM]

You know explosives are loud right? Or are you deaf?

Funny thing.

I've been to three CDs in person. I go with a friend (who's been to several more)who happens to be deaf. She like to go to these because it's one of the few things she can "hear" (thunder storms is another thing she likes).

 

[Edx]

Funny thing.

I've been to three CDs in person. I go with a friend (who's been to several more)who happens to be deaf. She like to go to these because it's one of the few things she can "hear" (thunder storms is another thing she likes).

I guess even if Clayton were deaf, he still hasnt been to a real CD

 

[Marokkaan]

Without going into detail, the weapons I worked with were not uncomplicated pieces of ordnance with just one type of explosive in them. To use your own example, RDX is found inside the exploder mechanism of a MK 48 torpedo as a part of the explosive train.

Your second point about therm*te is just dumb. Therm*te is an incendiary. All submarines regardless of country carries flares and smokes as marking devices (red for emergency, green and yellow for predetermined operations such as making it easier for a helicopter to find us in order to to get someone off the boat and back to shore quickly for example). These pyrotechnic devices (we carried roughly 50 of them) have incendiary materials (it's the primary component) and are a part of the larger category of underwater ordnance mentioned in your own cut and paste above.

One of our primary concerns with these devices was the accidental ignition of these devices inside the boat and the fact that they were capable of burning through the pressure hull. Just like thermite might do. So while it's true that they weren't pure thermite (they contained extra ingredients such as copper for coloring purposes for example) they are similar enough to require the exact same training in their handling, use and storage as you would for thermite.

The funny thing about explosives and incendiaries is that they all have pretty much the same rules regardless of what they are made of or what they are found in. Aside from specific handling gear and the procedures needed to safely use it, all of the same publications are used fleet-wide when it comes to general safety rules and procedures. You see, explosives don't know or care about where they are. They all have the same requirements for detonation and once those requirements are met they will explode.

Now while I know that your probably going to find some other whiny nitpick to go on about I will simply point out that I do in fact have much more training and experience with explosives and incendiaries than you or, for that matter, anyone else in the truth movement that I've seen to date.

I don't mock you personally because of your ignorance on these matters, ignorance can be fixed through education, I mock you because when you are told that your fantasies have serious issues and conflicts with reality you rely upon hucksters, charlatans and the mentally ill for your information instead of people who actually know what they are talking about by benefit of years of experience and training. In other words I mock you because of your willfull ignorance.

How was that shoe?

A nice story, but you still can not proof, you have the expertise about these incendiaries, about the thousand different explosives....

 

[paperboy05]

A nice story, but you still can not proof, you have the expertise about these incendiaries, about the thousand different explosives....

I'm sorry, I may have missed it; but have you offered any proof to any expertise on any of the things you've been spouting?