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Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

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Ow my god this is mind blowing:)



1. You cant say it was a conventional CD due to the lack of huge explosions, baro trama det cord, etc

You dont know how a cd works. Stop speculating

2. You can't say that it was normal thermite because normal thermite isn't capable of hurling large beams through the air.

You dont know anything about thermite, stop speculating

3. You MUST claim it was "nano thermite" via the Jones paper and hope that no one critically examines the paper.

If we use the logic of NIST and debunkers, the paper proves a 100 % the truth its nanothermite. Peer review we dont need, and experiments and errors we ignore.


4. You can't answer the fact that the amount of "nano thermite" necessary using the results from the Jones paper is a ridiculous amount that would have proof all over the place so you must claim that there are "variants" of the material.

Watch the jon cole video on youtube: thermate debate.

5. So you are left with some bizarre mixture of some "explosive" nano thermite.....some "slow burning" nano thermite......some thermate in some form....and who knows what else...

You do know, in the most CD, to demolish the H-beams you need at least 2 different explosives.

But you dont know, ofcourse because you have not the expertise

1) You clearly don't have even basic knowledge of how explosives work. Explosives generate gasses at speeds substantially faster than the speed of sound. This virtually guarantees that effects such as baro trauma will be felt to varying degrees by people close to the explosion.

2) Clearly you don't know how therm*te works. Therm*te generates heat, not gasses, by design. Heat alone will not "Throw" anything.

3) All papers are not equal. I'm sure in your 4th grade class you see other students get an "A" with a gold star while you struggle along with an "F" and a pointy hat sitting on a stool waiting for you in the corner.

4) The therm*te "theory" necessitates large quantities of the material by design if for no other reason than it has to be used at so many locations all at once.

5) Therm*te is not an explosive. It has never been an explosive. It is an incendiary You can go online right now and purchase it and it will be delivered to your doorstep with no questions asked. You can't do that even with the most basic types of explosive, such black gunpowder. This is because at the end of the day therm*te (nano or otherwise) is nothing more than a mixture of powdered metals with no organic components.

Clearly you have zero expertise in these matters. I do. I was a board certified Conventional Weapons Handling Supervisor responsible for safely handling and storing tons of explosives and (to a lesser degree) pyrotechnic devices every day. I held that title at two different commands for several years. You should quit while you're behind.
 
Hey Sam. Do you believe that the four-ton chunk of the building was projected 600 feet away or do you think that it's just a red herring ?
 
Hey Sam. Do you believe that the four-ton chunk of the building was projected 600 feet away or do you think that it's just a red herring ?

Believe means that one must take it as a matter of faith or opinion that something happened exactly as described. I don't "Believe" anything in this matter. What you asked is actually a series of questions with very specific answers. My questions to you in order to try and get you to clarify your ambiguous questions, are the obvious ones.

What was the established start location of that particular piece of "The building" (I'm going to assume that you actually meant steel here, correct me if I'm wrong)? In order for it to be "600 feet away" it must have an initial starting point to be "Away" from right?

Once you answer that then the next question must be where exactly is "Away". Where was it found and what were the conditions at the surrounding location at the time of its initial discovery? Try to be as specific as possible.

Then I have to ask you how it was established that the piece in question weighed four tons? Is that just an estimate and if so who made that estimate? If that's a hard number then who weighed and logged it?

The red herring part would of course be asking me for an opinion that I cannot possibly give until I have some facts to base my opinion on.
 
1) You clearly don't have even basic knowledge of how explosives work. Explosives generate gasses at speeds substantially faster than the speed of sound. This virtually guarantees that effects such as baro trauma will be felt to varying degrees by people close to the explosion.

Are you a explosive expert?

2) Clearly you don't know how therm*te works. Therm*te generates heat, not gasses, by design. Heat alone will not "Throw" anything
.

Are you a thermite expert?

3) All papers are not equal. I'm sure in your 4th grade class you see other students get an "A" with a gold star while you struggle along with an "F" and a pointy hat sitting on a stool waiting for you in the corner.

Can you tell me, why highscool kids knows about freefall and they have to explain and calculate the formula, and NIST dont know this.

4) The therm*te "theory" necessitates large quantities of the material by design if for no other reason than it has to be used at so many locations all at once.

Are you a thermite expert?

5) Therm*te is not an explosive. It has never been an explosive. It is an incendiary You can go online right now and purchase it and it will be delivered to your doorstep with no questions asked. You can't do that even with the most basic types of explosive, such black gunpowder. This is because at the end of the day therm*te (nano or otherwise) is nothing more than a mixture of powdered metals with no organic components.

Are you a thermite expert?

Clearly you have zero expertise in these matters. I do. I was a board certified Conventional Weapons Handling Supervisor responsible for safely handling and storing tons of explosives and (to a lesser degree) pyrotechnic devices every day. I held that title at two different commands for several years. You should quit while you're behind

LOl should i spell the word i r o n y?

If you are an expert of explosives and pyrotechnic material like nano thermite. I will eat my shoes.
 
Are you a explosive expert?

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He JUST told you he was an explosives expert, apparently you dont care about reading peoples posts correctly :rolleyes:

I was a board certified Conventional Weapons Handling Supervisor responsible for safely handling and storing tons of explosives and (to a lesser degree) pyrotechnic devices every day. I held that title at two different commands for several years.
 
You do know, in the most CD, to demolish the H-beams you need at least 2 different explosives.

But you dont know, ofcourse because you have not the expertise

Most of us know that. One is called the cutter charge, and one is the kicker. The first one cuts it by superheating copper and then literally shooting it into the steel at high speed. Like, super-sonic speeds.

But, the problem with doing that, is if you didn't have the kicker charge, it would just shorten the building by 1/2". The kicker charge kicks the beam out of square, causing the beam to be able to fall.

Yeah, keep running your ignorant mouth like you know what we do know, or don't know.
 
So aside from not having anything to counter any of those points other than your own ignorance of well known facts regarding explosives and incendiary in general, especially facts available to the public at large, you doubt that I have in fact had years of experience handling conventional explosives and pyrotechnic devices?

My DD214 (with stuff that's none of your business) showing my rate (Torpedoman 1st Class (submarines)) and some of the classes I took at my last command. Submarine Torpedo Supervisor and Ammunition Administration. That is as much of my service record that I'm willing to show here.

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/449/214lg.jpg

It's too large to put here in the thread but go ahead and take a peek...

Will you need some condiments with those shoes or will you be eating them dry?
 
If you are an expert of explosives and pyrotechnic material like nano thermite. I will eat my shoes.

I don't recall he claimed to be one, other than perhaps relative to your lamentable ignorance.

I suggest you boil the shoes for a while to soften them............
 
One encouraging thing... There are many "Likes" and almost as many "dislikes" on many of my YouTube videos. That means people on both sides are watching, by the thousands. My ideal "target audience" is people who just walked out of a Gage presentation or just watched Blueprint for Truth. If they're impressed with him and then they watch my YouTube videos, maybe they can wake up from what Richard Gage calls "the nightmare of 9/11."
 
One encouraging thing... There are many "Likes" and almost as many "dislikes" on many of my YouTube videos. That means people on both sides are watching, by the thousands. My ideal "target audience" is people who just walked out of a Gage presentation or just watched Blueprint for Truth. If they're impressed with him and then they watch my YouTube videos, maybe they can wake up from what Richard Gage calls "the nightmare of 9/11."

That sort of result is as good as you could achieve given the medium and choice of audience. Well done.
 
Are you a explosive expert?

Are you a thermite expert?

Can you tell me, why highscool kids knows about freefall and they have to explain and calculate the formula, and NIST dont know this.

Are you a thermite expert?

Are you a thermite expert?


If you are an expert of explosives and pyrotechnic material like nano thermite. I will eat my shoes.

It truly bewilders me that you guys are wasting time interacting with anyone who would offer this pathetic caliber of "debate".

At some point, it stops being sport & turns into making fun of the handicapped kid.

PS. Enjoy the shoes, Maro. Be sure to take a walk in a dog park first. "Seasoning", don't you know.
 
Hey Sam. Do you believe that the four-ton chunk of the building was projected 600 feet away or do you think that it's just a red herring ?

Are you saying that this four ton piece was "ejected" with force horizontally to land 600 feet away?

Do you have a photo or picture of this piece you are speaking of?
 

So you mean to tell me that it's not possible for one of the 1300' tall perimeter walls to fall in a parabolic trajectory and have debris fall 600 feet away? It had to have been EJECTED with the force of an explosion?

I see perimeter columns peeling away like banana peels as the internal debris block descends and shears/severs the floor connections to said perimeter columns, thus pushing the perimeter sections outward.

Are you telling me that my explanation above is impossible and that it had to be explosives?

Do you see all the aluminum cladding pieces "fluttering" as they fall? Or are you telling me that those are the 4 ton pieces?
 
So you mean to tell me that it's not possible for one of the 1300' tall perimeter walls to fall in a parabolic trajectory and have debris fall 600 feet away? It had to have been EJECTED with the force of an explosion?
Clear visual evidence for how the perimeter walls fell "600 feet away" in this post:
Hi! It's me, Winter Garden speaking. They elected me as the spokesperson for the entire World Financial Center (WFC) New York complex. It's ok with me. I probably know more stuff than the tall guys anyway.

Here is a map of the WFC complex
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Well, let's get straight to the point. The World Financial Center, which is located at the forefront of Lower Manhattan, encompasses over eight million square feet including the four unique, 34 to 51-story towers and me, the 45,000-square foot 10-story Winter Garden, all designed by architect Cesar Pelli.

Here are the four towers
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/136394885857436def.jpg[/qimg]


And here are WFC 2, 3, 4, and me the glass roofed Winter Garden
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/136394885857488e57.jpg[/qimg]


Each tower is defined by geometrically shaped copper roofs. The four towers have large floor plans, and are steel-framed structures with granite-clad curtain wall facades. The office towers house the world headquarters of international corporations, including American Express, Merrill Lynch, Dow Jones, and Deloitte. Public spaces connecting the office towers include myself and the Courtyard. We have provided venues for many notable events. The World Financial Center nowadays features over 30 specialty shops, restaurants and services.

I'm sure the others won't mind if I take a little time telling more about myself and the courtyard. I, Winter Garden, am a 10-story enclosed glass atrium structure with a glass and steel telescopic barrel vault roof, featuring an enormous indoor sanctuary with a cascading marble semicircular staircase, fashioned of Italian marble, leading to a grove of 45-foot palm trees.


[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/136394885859819296.jpg[/qimg]


The Courtyard, with restaurants and bars designed to look like they occupy an outdoor courtyard, have "open-air" seating that protrudes beyond the restaurants' awnings. The perimeter of the second floor overlooks the Courtyard and hosts exhibits in a gallery space. Our facilities are a known venue for exhibitions, festivals and free performances and also have one of the largest public spaces in New York. Here is the schedule for you, ladies and gentlemen.
http://www.worldfinancialcenter.com/calendar/

Well, ok then. Enough about me, I will move on.

One World Financial Center is the southernmost office tower at the World Financial Center complex. The building consists of over one and a half million square feet of office and retail space, along with interior and exterior public amenities. Completed in 1986, this tower has 40 floors.

Two World Financial Center is a domed-topped tower, which was completed in 1987 and has 44 floors.

Three World Financial Center is the tallest of the towers and is located at the north end of the complex. Completed in 1985, this tower has 51 floors.

Four World Financial Center is the westernmost office tower. Completed in 1986, this tower has 34 floors.

There has been one sad episode during our existence. You all know what it was, so I will get straight to the point. Here is how the episode affected us.

[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1363948858574e143f.jpg[/qimg]

Columns from WTC 1 hit the east end of my precious Winter Garden structure, particularly the area directly adjacent to the North Bridge which used to link myself to the WTC complex. I experienced severe collapse of the eastern end framing. Several other semicircular trusses and parts of the dome were also badly damaged. The western two bays of the roof structure remained intact, but were covered with debris. Inspectors estimated that 60 percent of the roofing glass panels of my structure had collapsed. Additional structural collapse occurred on parts of the 2nd and 3rd floor framing adjacent to WFC 2 and WFC 3, the North Bridge connection extension, the ceremonial stair above the circular landing, and the 4th and 5th floors at the eastern end. Localized structural collapse occurred in various other areas of the barrel roof. I was shocked.

But I was not the only one hit. WFC 3 was the most damaged of the WFC towers. Exterior column trees from WTC 1 were found hanging from the southeast corner of WFC 3 and on the setback roof.


[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/1363948858552413ec.jpg[/qimg]


Debris from WTC 1 caused a collapse of the top 8 stories of the 10-story octagonal extension located at the southeast side of the building. The main WFC 3 building suffered damage from floors 17 to 26. At floors 17 through 26, the corner column had been removed by the impact of debris, and the floors cantilevered from adjacent columns to the north and west. Smaller column debris penetrated floor 17. The damage did not extend past the corner bay, which had to be shored and was later demolished.

WFC 3 interior damage
[qimg]http://www.internationalskeptics.com/forums/imagehosting/136394885855288866.jpg[/qimg]


WFC 1 & 2 suffered glazing and façade damage. Debris and dust penetrated WFC 2 at several levels. WFC 4 was the only undamaged building.

The collapse of the twin towers closed the WFC buildings for several months, and myself for a year. The atrium underwent a $50 million reconstruction, which included replacing 60,000 square feet of marble and 2,000 panes of glass or nearly 70% of the arched ceiling, half of the grand staircase and the marble flooring, and all 16 of the 40-foot Washingtonia robusta palm trees. A new eastern entrance was built where there formerly had been a pedestrian bridge (North Bridge) to the World Trade Center. I was the first major building damaged in the attacks to be completely restored. The original architect, Cesar Pelli, and his son Rafael of Cesar Pelli & Associates designed the reconstructed facility.

That's about it, really. I'm not much of a speaker, but I always get these little engagements. But it wasn't all too bad. You're nice folks. Maybe if I told more about the marble? Ok, fine.

One more detail. Look at those photos, and see how many windows are still intact. If there were powerful explosives used so close to us, most of those still intact windows would have been broken to pieces. A small but important detail and useful if someone makes silly accusations.


Earlier stories:
90 West Street
130 Cedar Street
30 West Broadway aka Fiterman Hall
or
http://911guide.googlepages.com/damages


World Financial Center related links:
http://www.worldfinancialcenter.com/
http://nymag.com/listings/attraction/world_financial_center/
http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch7.pdf
http://newyork.construction.com/projects/02_TopForty/02_TopProjects35_WinterGardenRestoration.asp
 

Chandler is as clueless (and manipulative) as Judy Wood when it comes to interpreting the collapses. I'm saddened that you would reference one of his videos as some kind of evidence of anything....

However, pictures of the famous pieces of steel embedded in buildings (and thus claimed to be explosively 'ejected' by truthers) also show that the rest of the tower also landed there.
ie the towers FELL directly on those spots. Why wouldn't pieces of steel be there as well??!?:boggled:

Here's an example:
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This is not a hi-res pic, but shows the pieces of steel embedded fairly high up an office tower. Below you can see the huge amount of tower debris which fell onto the Winter Garden.

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Below is the image from AE911Truth's presentation of the same damage. You can see that some of the tower debris has already been cleared to make way for equipment, but the AE911Truth hypothesis completely ignores the fact that a huge portion of the tower fell directly on this area. This is supposed to be 'ejection'??? It's clueless.
ae911truth.39h.jpg
 
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