Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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Patrick, it's hard to tell if you read each post, as you have a tendency to quietly drop topics where you're shown to be barking up the wrong tree.

So can we just confirm: You are now aware that there was no LRRR on Apollo 12, right? It was already stated before, but then you brought it up again today. Do you now acknowledge there was no reason for anyone to shoot lasers at Apollo 12?
 
Perhaps not scientific value, but historic value

abaddon said:
What scientific purpose would be served by taking such a photograph?
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Let's assume the laser referenced above is the Lick laser. It is a quarter to a third of the way down, so that fits, San Jose California.

Now, if they have that shot, if it is Lick Observatory firing the ruby red or other laser, laser of any kind, then this is some additional proof they were in lunar orbit as they say they were when they saw this bright light and photographed it.

I say, if they cannot produce these pictures, it sounds to me like this was scripted to acknowledge they saw the laser that they knew was supposed to be targeting Tranquility Base at the time. It is a detail they add to encourage us to believe the script's fraudulent jive. That is if they cannot produce the shots.

Now I have never seen these pics and have never heard what the bright light may alternatively have been. so of course this issue interests me greatly and I am investigating it.
 
dealing with a million questions from your side Jack by the hedge.

Jack by the hedge said:
Patrick, it's hard to tell if you read each post, as you have a tendency to quietly drop topics where you're shown to be barking up the wrong tree.

So can we just confirm: You are now aware that there was no LRRR on Apollo 12, right? It was already stated before, but then you brought it up again today. Do you now acknowledge there was no reason for anyone to shoot lasers at Apollo 12?
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I have only so much time Jack by the hedge. I have answered many of your questions and promise to answer all questions. We have lots of time. I do the very best that I can. That should be obvious I make the effort. If it is not, not sure what else to say.
 
Patrick1000 said:
I have only so much time Jack by the hedge. I have answered many of your questions and promise to answer all questions. We have lots of time. I do the very best that I can. That should be obvious I make the effort. If it is not, not sure what else to say.
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I appreciate that you're very busy Patrick, so I'm grateful that you took the time to avoid answering my simple question.
 
Apollo 12 ans Laser Fear

Jack by the hedge said:
Patrick, it's hard to tell if you read each post, as you have a tendency to quietly drop topics where you're shown to be barking up the wrong tree.

So can we just confirm: You are now aware that there was no LRRR on Apollo 12, right? It was already stated before, but then you brought it up again today. Do you now acknowledge there was no reason for anyone to shoot lasers at Apollo 12?
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Jack by the hedge,

The point about Apollo 12 Jack by the Hedge is that everyone knows exactly where it is. Apollo 12 is at the Surveyor 3 site.


Now, say for yuks, some French dude, I am told they had great lasers, wanted to see if they could "get their picture taken". So they fire a laser, say a beam much much much stronger than the Jet Propulsion Lab's 1 watt argon beam that Surveyor VII filmed.

Say the French guys are running their laser continuously, not pulsing it. It doesn't have to be the French, but we'll use them because of their laser expertise. Now they hope Bean, and his CMDR will take a shot or two of the planet Earth while those guys are up there. Armstrong got a couple shots, not so great, but got them. So these guys are hoping to see their laser beam in official NASA photos. Might even be a good idea to plan such photos as part of the mission's authentication.

Now, this would be innocent enough. BUT, assume Apollo to be fraudulent, then someone might really scheme to blindside you with a strong beam(s), continuously, might even try from different locations on Earth. If they do not see their lasers, and assuming the earth was photographed at the time, they would at least know for themselves that Apollo was bogus. Perhaps they could not prove it to the world, but they could tweak people pretty good by pointing this out and then really nail them on future missions by say challenging the astronauts/NASA to really make an effort to photograph lasers to prove that they are up there.

I say from where I sit, somewhere not on the moon, that Bean too was not on the moon. He was instructed, it was scripted , to have this camera malfunction thing, so that laser light at least with regard to this one camera, would not be a concern. Check out the Apollo 12 shots. I have not looked at many, but I imagine they avoid taking pictures of the Earth as well from the lunar surface, just like 11 avoided taking moonscape/earth pictures. I'll look into it, but am proceeding one step at a time.

And your question really is a great one, and I really will continue to make a strong effort to resound to you Jack by the Hedge.
 
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So you have zero evidence that anyone shone a giant laser at Apollo 12 "for yuks" just to see if by chance they could get their picture taken.

Meanwhile all over the world in friendly and unfriendly nations, people were using directional antennae to listen in to the radio traffic which they could see for themselves was coming from the moon.

Profoundly unconvincing.
 
Patrick1000 said:
I have only so much time Jack by the hedge. I have answered many of your questions and promise to answer all questions. We have lots of time. I do the very best that I can. That should be obvious I make the effort. If it is not, not sure what else to say.
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Well, that's your problem, right there.

You make the effort to post wordy tracts, yet you don't read the responses provided. Why is that?
 
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abaddon said:
What scientific purpose would be served by taking such a photograph?
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Just elaborate a little abaddon. i thought you were asking why one would want pictures of the lasers. I thought I gave a good answer such as I understood the question. Rephrase it if/as you may choose. Be happy to try and answer it if/as I am able.
 
Patrick1000 said:
Just elaborate a little abaddon. i thought you were asking why one would want pictures of the lasers. I thought I gave a good answer such as I understood the question. Rephrase it if/as you may choose. Be happy to try and answer it if/as I am able.
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Yes that was my question, and yes you failed to answer.

What possible scientific purpose would be served by imaging any laser from earth?
 
Starry Night?



Not the best quality shot. Try this if you have the software, Look for the Earth in the lunar sky on the evening of the Apollo 11 landing. I had to use the program's search function to find the Earth. It is roughly a magnitude -15 or 16 celestial object. the Earth should be way way way brighter than the stars. What is going on? Is this an innocent oversight to not have the earths it should appear. for the most part this software is great.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
Does it have to be an "either or", one or the other lying? Also, could you simply be mistaken, "fooled", as opposed to be intentionally misleading/lying?

Is it possible for me to get a look at the photos?
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You don't need to see the pics. If what you claim about the Moon landings is true then the pics are ipso facto fakes. Are they liars?
 
If they were concerned about not having lasers on the images of earth because they weren't realy there why not just avoid pointing the camera towards the earth?

Why not just say (as was the case) that the camera wasn't capable of imaging the laser?
 
Apollo 12 starry night



So if you do the same with Apollo 12, using starry night pro 6, go to the landing site on the night of the landing, one finds the earth should be very bright based on magnitude of -15. In the case of Apollo 12, unless you search for the earth with the function, there is no way to possibly find it. It is black there where the earth is supposed to be, but if you click on that black spot, one finds the earth at magnitude -15 which means thousands of times brighter than the stars. Try it yourself.
 
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abaddon said:
Inconsistant? I refer you up thread. The goalpost are not just moving, they are rocket propelled, monkey navigated and speeding across the Utah salt flats.
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Travelling so fast that they are almost bursting into flames.
 
Patrick1000 said:
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So if you do the same with Apollo 12, using starry night pro 6, go to the landing site on the night of the landing, one finds the earth should be very bright based on magnitude of -15. In the case of Apollo 12, unless you search for the earth with the function, there is no way to possibly find it. It is black there where the earth is supposed to be, but if you click on that black spot, one finds the earth at magnitude -15 which means thousands of times brighter than the stars. Try it yourself.
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Goalposts moved again. Your strategy of dropping subjects when you have no answers,or realize that the answer would blow your delusion apart is so transparent. How are things in India/Hong Kong?
 
Starry Night's, Dark Earth

So of course this does not mean fraud. One cannot say based on this weird finding, dark earth on starry night software images of moon landing lunar skies, the Apollo missions are fake. On the other hand, one you show them to be fraudulent as I have done in the thread here, then when one sees this stuff, you cannot help but wonder, "was this intentionally done".

My little low resolution images do not do this justice in any way. If you have this software you have got to see it for yourself. It is bizarre and may well mean something.

Starry Night is not in on the fix of course, but there may be a software mole there who pulled this off.
 
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