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Okay, then let's leave him out of it. That leaves the LRO team and myself. Which one of us is lying?
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Okay, then let's leave him out of it. That leaves the LRO team and myself. Which one of us is lying?
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If what you say is correct, Dr. Sox, then how is it that radio signals originated from the moon during all of the lunar missions? These radio signals were received using highly directional antennas that required fairly precise aiming to keep on-target as the earth rotated. In addition to the network of radio receivers used for the official mission tracking, there were many different instances of 3rd party reception of signals by both nations and by motivated private citizens.
I've linked to these cases before and you've never commented. Are you afraid of the radio evidence?
I've linked to these cases before and you've never commented. Are you afraid of the radio evidence?
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Why is it an either or? And Why "lying"?
Does it have to be an "either or", one or the other lying? Also, could you simply be mistaken, "fooled", as opposed to be intentionally misleading/lying?
Is it possible for me to get a look at the photos?
Does it have to be an "either or", one or the other lying? Also, could you simply be mistaken, "fooled", as opposed to be intentionally misleading/lying?
Is it possible for me to get a look at the photos?
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The point you miss (as usual) is that there are multiple LRO images (also Apollo evidence appears in Kaguya images), which have been processed by several different teams. What Buckaroo represents is a test case. You have to find for each and every image that someone is lying or deluded.
Buckaroo asks you to show that this is even possible; by demonstrating just once, in just one case, that an image team could have a hole that would allow their particular image to be invalid as supporting the reality of Apollo.
And as ApolloGnomon points out, the same procedure is necessary for every tracking station, every radio amateur, every geologist who has studied the Apollo-returned samples...
Buckaroo asks you to show that this is even possible; by demonstrating just once, in just one case, that an image team could have a hole that would allow their particular image to be invalid as supporting the reality of Apollo.
And as ApolloGnomon points out, the same procedure is necessary for every tracking station, every radio amateur, every geologist who has studied the Apollo-returned samples...
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One step at a time
As mentioned Apollognomon, there are many technical aspects with regard to this fraud that I have yet to study, let alone make any type of determination with respect to what some of these events, alleged events, pieces of material evidence may mean, if they mean anything at all in the context of my charges of fraud.
We proceed step by step. My analysis in #1178, along with similar, though less detailed previous posts, proves the Apollo 11 telemetry, the Apollo 11 Mission Report, and the Apollo 11 Mission itself as fraudulent. What was actually done to fool the guidance people with respect to the telemetry data, where and how the fake moonscapes were executed, detailed analysis of the rocks, all this has yet to be determined.
At this point, I can securely argue that my claims of Apollo 11 fraudulence cannot be taken from me because of my incontrovertible proofs of Tranquility Base foreknowledge and Apollo 11 Mission Report Inauthenticity. As we move along, some details regarding the radio signals of which you write will undoubtedly come to the fore and something definite may be said about them, how they fit into this "ANATOMY OF A FRAUD".
Presently, my attentions are directed to the coordinate confusion issue as it sheds so much light upon motive, "Hiding the Eagle", so the landing site is not targeted by lasers, lasers of any kind or origin. The fear of course is though the Russians or French say, could not go to the moon to take a photo of an astronautless Tranquility Base site, they could force the astronauts to "take their picture", or better said , "take their laser's picture". Now since the laser images would not be seen when the Russians or French say, indicated they should be seen having found their mark upon a landing site sans Armstrong, fraud would be proven. This is the fear and the motive that drives the dynamic of coordinate confusion/bird hiding.
Again, this is why Bean purposely breaks his camera. Everyone knows Apollo 12 is at Surveyor 3's site. So target that with a laser with Bean filming away and then say, "Hey Bean, where's the picture of my laser?!!!!" That would bust him.
We know this to be true, a sketch of the facts with respect to our "ANATOMY OF A FRAUD", because it all fits so well. The history of the LRRR experiments with the surveyor VII device successfully photographing a relatively weak 1 watt laser in January of 1968. The plans of C.O. Alley and other LRRR investigators to utilize unmanned craft to carry out their experiments prior to the Apollo manned option. The obvious bird hiding/coordinate confusion ploys now exposed in my posts here in this thread outlining how laser targeting of "Tranquility Base" was avoided while the astronauts "were on the moon with a camera"(not real of course) so charges of fraud could not be leveled as the Apollo script writers could claim no one knew where the bird was. Bean's busting hits camera at the start of the Apollo 12 Mission so that laser operators could not attempt to "have their picture" during that mission.
It all fits so well. So I work on this now because it shows me why it was done, and also by way of revealing fatal contradictions as that featuring "Reed said" vs "Apollo 11 Mission Report said", it's just too rich a mine research wise to not work on until it is exhausted.
I have already demonstrated the Apollo 11 Mission to be fraudulent and have uncovered the motives for the bird hiding/the coordinate confusion issue by focusing on the bird hiding issue.
So the radio stuff is important, but I can move to that as I make more general progress as I can move to issues regarding the rocks, photos, and details regarding the telemetry.
As mentioned Apollognomon, there are many technical aspects with regard to this fraud that I have yet to study, let alone make any type of determination with respect to what some of these events, alleged events, pieces of material evidence may mean, if they mean anything at all in the context of my charges of fraud.
We proceed step by step. My analysis in #1178, along with similar, though less detailed previous posts, proves the Apollo 11 telemetry, the Apollo 11 Mission Report, and the Apollo 11 Mission itself as fraudulent. What was actually done to fool the guidance people with respect to the telemetry data, where and how the fake moonscapes were executed, detailed analysis of the rocks, all this has yet to be determined.
At this point, I can securely argue that my claims of Apollo 11 fraudulence cannot be taken from me because of my incontrovertible proofs of Tranquility Base foreknowledge and Apollo 11 Mission Report Inauthenticity. As we move along, some details regarding the radio signals of which you write will undoubtedly come to the fore and something definite may be said about them, how they fit into this "ANATOMY OF A FRAUD".
Presently, my attentions are directed to the coordinate confusion issue as it sheds so much light upon motive, "Hiding the Eagle", so the landing site is not targeted by lasers, lasers of any kind or origin. The fear of course is though the Russians or French say, could not go to the moon to take a photo of an astronautless Tranquility Base site, they could force the astronauts to "take their picture", or better said , "take their laser's picture". Now since the laser images would not be seen when the Russians or French say, indicated they should be seen having found their mark upon a landing site sans Armstrong, fraud would be proven. This is the fear and the motive that drives the dynamic of coordinate confusion/bird hiding.
Again, this is why Bean purposely breaks his camera. Everyone knows Apollo 12 is at Surveyor 3's site. So target that with a laser with Bean filming away and then say, "Hey Bean, where's the picture of my laser?!!!!" That would bust him.
We know this to be true, a sketch of the facts with respect to our "ANATOMY OF A FRAUD", because it all fits so well. The history of the LRRR experiments with the surveyor VII device successfully photographing a relatively weak 1 watt laser in January of 1968. The plans of C.O. Alley and other LRRR investigators to utilize unmanned craft to carry out their experiments prior to the Apollo manned option. The obvious bird hiding/coordinate confusion ploys now exposed in my posts here in this thread outlining how laser targeting of "Tranquility Base" was avoided while the astronauts "were on the moon with a camera"(not real of course) so charges of fraud could not be leveled as the Apollo script writers could claim no one knew where the bird was. Bean's busting hits camera at the start of the Apollo 12 Mission so that laser operators could not attempt to "have their picture" during that mission.
It all fits so well. So I work on this now because it shows me why it was done, and also by way of revealing fatal contradictions as that featuring "Reed said" vs "Apollo 11 Mission Report said", it's just too rich a mine research wise to not work on until it is exhausted.
I have already demonstrated the Apollo 11 Mission to be fraudulent and have uncovered the motives for the bird hiding/the coordinate confusion issue by focusing on the bird hiding issue.
So the radio stuff is important, but I can move to that as I make more general progress as I can move to issues regarding the rocks, photos, and details regarding the telemetry.
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They couldn't? What ever happened to the Lunokhod, then? Or Luna 15, which you previously claimed had the exact capability you are now denying it; of overflying the Apollo 11 site and photographing it?
I ask you once again, do you now admit that Luna 15 could not or did not do what you claimed?
In addition, have you forgotten that Luna 15 was originally your sole reason why Lick had to be given the wrong coordinates? Have you also abandoned that part of your coordinates story?
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Anatomy of a fraud
ANATOMY OF A FRAUD
Astronauts may fear lasers for multiple reasons, but it should be emphasized that the most concrete fear would be that THE ASTRONAUTS WOULD BE FORCED TO PHOTOGRAPH EARTH WITH A LASER SHINING RIGHT IN THEIR FACE.
When I say they astronauts fear laser light , its not necessarily because the laser light would hit them or the Tranquility Base site. The most concrete fear has to do with a photo of the Earth not showing a laser when it should.
Remember, there is absolutely no question that lasers were photographed from the moon in 1968 by Surveyor VII. This photo showed the 2 argon lasers targeting the Surveyor device to be as bright as the brightest star in the sky, Sirius, this statement, per the Apollo 11 LRRR Experiment's principal investigator C.O. Alley. Remember Nobel prize winner Charles Townes in a quote previously appearing in this thread emphasizing the 1 watt argon lasers were easily photographed/filmed despite their being of only one watt in power, while the whole city of LA, inhaling millions of watts was invisible. This due to the unique properties of laser light. Here is Nobel laureate Townes writing about the 1969 Apollo LRRR experiment and the prior Surveyor VII laser photographing/filming experiment of 1968;
"On July 21, 1969, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin set up an array of small reflectors on the moon and faced them toward Earth. At the same time, two teams of astrophysicists on Earth—240,000 miles away—at the University of California’s Lick Observatory and at the University of Texas’s McDonald Observatory, prepared small instruments on two big telescopes. They took careful note of the location of that first manned landing on the moon. About ten days later, the Lick team pointed the telescope at that precise location and sent a small pulse of power into the tiny piece of hardware they had added to the telescope. A few days later, after the west Texas skies had cleared, the McDonald team went through the same steps. In the heart of each telescope, a narrow beam of extraordinarily pure red light emerged from a crystal of synthetic ruby, pierced the sky, and entered the near vacuum of space. The rays were still only about 1,000 yards wide after traveling the 240,000 miles to illuminate the astronauts’ reflectors. Slightly more than a second after light hit the reflectors, the crews in California and in Texas each detected the faint reflection of its beam. The interval between launch of the pulse of light and its return permitted calculation of the distance to the moon within an inch, a measurement of unprecedented precision. The ruby for each source of light was the heart of a laser, a type of device first demonstrated in 1960, just nine years earlier. Even before man reached the moon, an unmanned spacecraft had landed on the moon in January, 1968, with a television camera that detected a laser beam shot from near Los Angeles by the California Institute of Technology’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. That beam radiated only about one watt. But from the moon, all the other lights in the Los Angeles basin, drawing thousands of megawatts, were not bright enough to be seen. Their light spread and diffused into relative indetectability while that single beam, with the power of a pocket penlight, sent a twinkling signal to the lunar surface. Laser beams reflected from the moon, allowing measurement of the moon’s distance, is only one illustration of the spectacular quality of laser light. There are many others, as well as myriad everyday uses for the laser.
Townes, Charles H. (1999-03-17). How the Laser Happened : Adventures of a Scientist (p.3-4). Oxford University Press, USA.
Many here are quite familiar with the dramatic pictures of the argon lasers taken by the Surveyor VII camera in January of 1968. There is an image in one of the posts above, check it out if you have never seen this.
One of the things motivating the Apollo script writers to "hide the bird" and engage in coordinate confusion had to do with fears regarding someone trying to force Armstrong to take this picture. Remember, many people have lasers, the Russians, the French, others. Lick Observatory was not the only laser in town. If 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east were known, it would be a free for all. Many could try, if they so chose, and were in possession of even a weak one watt laser, to force Armstrong to take their picture. This is why the moonscape shots are all cropped so low. The Earth was 60 degrees up in the sky that night. You only see the Earth in a couple of poor quality shots. They don't want us even considering my points here, so the Earth is pretty much ignored in the fake photos.
So one fear was someone would shine a laser and wait to see if the astronauts would photograph the Earth. If someone did shine a light, and the laser was not seen, not imaged, not filmed, not photographed when it should have been, busted. this explains the star phobia. If you see stars, you would see lasers as well, and an astronaut admitting to stars would have to field questions regarding lasers as well. Admitting stars would mean both stars, and lasers. were topics open for discussion. Not a good thing if you are not on the moon. Even clue someone in for Apollo 11 and they are going to nail you next time, Apollo 12, 13, 14 , 15, 16 ,17, if they missed their opportunity first time around. Deny stars, deny stars , deny stars.
One of the reasons that the Apollo 11 moon walk starts right away instead of its scheduled later start time is because it is night time on the Earth in the western hemisphere when the astronauts walk. This way, lasers are in friendly hands. To see a laser from the moon, photograph it like Surveyor VII did, the laser light must be emitted from the dark background of the Earth's nightside. So Armstrong/Aldrin walk when there is no chance for unfriendlies to force the picture.
Does anyone have Starry Night software? If you do, go to Tranquility Base on the evening of 07/20/1969. It is easy to do for people with the software. Look for the Earth. It should be very very bright, super bright! at mag minus 16. In this software, the Earth is black. You can find it , but it is nearly invisible. Unbelievable, check it out! This is intentional so people are not encouraged to think along lines I am presenting here. Don't believe me? Try your software and see if you can find the Earth. It is not easy, and ever so not easy when it should be jumping out at us with brightness being so very bright that night.
Again, Bean was afraid of the same thing, and as we move forward, I imagine we shall come across a great deal of evidence proving Apollo 12 fraudulent as well, but one step at a time.
ANATOMY OF A FRAUD
Astronauts may fear lasers for multiple reasons, but it should be emphasized that the most concrete fear would be that THE ASTRONAUTS WOULD BE FORCED TO PHOTOGRAPH EARTH WITH A LASER SHINING RIGHT IN THEIR FACE.
When I say they astronauts fear laser light , its not necessarily because the laser light would hit them or the Tranquility Base site. The most concrete fear has to do with a photo of the Earth not showing a laser when it should.
Remember, there is absolutely no question that lasers were photographed from the moon in 1968 by Surveyor VII. This photo showed the 2 argon lasers targeting the Surveyor device to be as bright as the brightest star in the sky, Sirius, this statement, per the Apollo 11 LRRR Experiment's principal investigator C.O. Alley. Remember Nobel prize winner Charles Townes in a quote previously appearing in this thread emphasizing the 1 watt argon lasers were easily photographed/filmed despite their being of only one watt in power, while the whole city of LA, inhaling millions of watts was invisible. This due to the unique properties of laser light. Here is Nobel laureate Townes writing about the 1969 Apollo LRRR experiment and the prior Surveyor VII laser photographing/filming experiment of 1968;
"On July 21, 1969, astronauts Neil Armstrong and Edwin Aldrin set up an array of small reflectors on the moon and faced them toward Earth. At the same time, two teams of astrophysicists on Earth—240,000 miles away—at the University of California’s Lick Observatory and at the University of Texas’s McDonald Observatory, prepared small instruments on two big telescopes. They took careful note of the location of that first manned landing on the moon. About ten days later, the Lick team pointed the telescope at that precise location and sent a small pulse of power into the tiny piece of hardware they had added to the telescope. A few days later, after the west Texas skies had cleared, the McDonald team went through the same steps. In the heart of each telescope, a narrow beam of extraordinarily pure red light emerged from a crystal of synthetic ruby, pierced the sky, and entered the near vacuum of space. The rays were still only about 1,000 yards wide after traveling the 240,000 miles to illuminate the astronauts’ reflectors. Slightly more than a second after light hit the reflectors, the crews in California and in Texas each detected the faint reflection of its beam. The interval between launch of the pulse of light and its return permitted calculation of the distance to the moon within an inch, a measurement of unprecedented precision. The ruby for each source of light was the heart of a laser, a type of device first demonstrated in 1960, just nine years earlier. Even before man reached the moon, an unmanned spacecraft had landed on the moon in January, 1968, with a television camera that detected a laser beam shot from near Los Angeles by the California Institute of Technology’s Jet Propulsion Laboratory. That beam radiated only about one watt. But from the moon, all the other lights in the Los Angeles basin, drawing thousands of megawatts, were not bright enough to be seen. Their light spread and diffused into relative indetectability while that single beam, with the power of a pocket penlight, sent a twinkling signal to the lunar surface. Laser beams reflected from the moon, allowing measurement of the moon’s distance, is only one illustration of the spectacular quality of laser light. There are many others, as well as myriad everyday uses for the laser.
Townes, Charles H. (1999-03-17). How the Laser Happened : Adventures of a Scientist (p.3-4). Oxford University Press, USA.
Many here are quite familiar with the dramatic pictures of the argon lasers taken by the Surveyor VII camera in January of 1968. There is an image in one of the posts above, check it out if you have never seen this.
One of the things motivating the Apollo script writers to "hide the bird" and engage in coordinate confusion had to do with fears regarding someone trying to force Armstrong to take this picture. Remember, many people have lasers, the Russians, the French, others. Lick Observatory was not the only laser in town. If 00 41 15 north and 23 26 00 east were known, it would be a free for all. Many could try, if they so chose, and were in possession of even a weak one watt laser, to force Armstrong to take their picture. This is why the moonscape shots are all cropped so low. The Earth was 60 degrees up in the sky that night. You only see the Earth in a couple of poor quality shots. They don't want us even considering my points here, so the Earth is pretty much ignored in the fake photos.
So one fear was someone would shine a laser and wait to see if the astronauts would photograph the Earth. If someone did shine a light, and the laser was not seen, not imaged, not filmed, not photographed when it should have been, busted. this explains the star phobia. If you see stars, you would see lasers as well, and an astronaut admitting to stars would have to field questions regarding lasers as well. Admitting stars would mean both stars, and lasers. were topics open for discussion. Not a good thing if you are not on the moon. Even clue someone in for Apollo 11 and they are going to nail you next time, Apollo 12, 13, 14 , 15, 16 ,17, if they missed their opportunity first time around. Deny stars, deny stars , deny stars.
One of the reasons that the Apollo 11 moon walk starts right away instead of its scheduled later start time is because it is night time on the Earth in the western hemisphere when the astronauts walk. This way, lasers are in friendly hands. To see a laser from the moon, photograph it like Surveyor VII did, the laser light must be emitted from the dark background of the Earth's nightside. So Armstrong/Aldrin walk when there is no chance for unfriendlies to force the picture.
Does anyone have Starry Night software? If you do, go to Tranquility Base on the evening of 07/20/1969. It is easy to do for people with the software. Look for the Earth. It should be very very bright, super bright! at mag minus 16. In this software, the Earth is black. You can find it , but it is nearly invisible. Unbelievable, check it out! This is intentional so people are not encouraged to think along lines I am presenting here. Don't believe me? Try your software and see if you can find the Earth. It is not easy, and ever so not easy when it should be jumping out at us with brightness being so very bright that night.
Again, Bean was afraid of the same thing, and as we move forward, I imagine we shall come across a great deal of evidence proving Apollo 12 fraudulent as well, but one step at a time.
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The Starry Night software developers are part of the conspiracy?
I'd like to reserve the Stundie on this one, pending confirmation that I haven't misunderstood this somehow
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It all fits so well, except for one tiny little detail: There was no LRRR on the Apollo 12 mission.
So there was no reason whatsoever for anyone to shoot lasers at the site.
Now that's busted.
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No. You don't proof that anything has been faked.
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Anatomy of a fraud, star fear and laser fear
Not good quality, but makes the point. If 00 41 15 north 23 26 00 east is known, someone with even a very very weak laser like this 1 watt argon affair fired from the Jet Propulsion Lab in Clifornia and photographed/filmed by Surveyor, could try and force Armstrong to have "their picture taken" and prove Apollo bogus when this laser image was not seen.
Note how it is night there in California when they lasers are imaged. This is the main reason why the "astronauts" moon walk early.
Not good quality, but makes the point. If 00 41 15 north 23 26 00 east is known, someone with even a very very weak laser like this 1 watt argon affair fired from the Jet Propulsion Lab in Clifornia and photographed/filmed by Surveyor, could try and force Armstrong to have "their picture taken" and prove Apollo bogus when this laser image was not seen.
Note how it is night there in California when they lasers are imaged. This is the main reason why the "astronauts" moon walk early.
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Conspiracy yes, Starry Night guys involved, no.
Doubt it, but the person that put the finishing touches on that program doesn't want you to look at the Earth. Could have been done without Starry Night's knowledge for all I know. But my point is that it is a clumsy effort to pretend the Earth was not in the lunar sky and very very very bright and potentially featuring bright lasers as well on its dark side. Neither of us can move beyond this point. I say intentional, you say weird anomaly . I just bring it up for those who have the software to check out. This fact about the software in no way proves Apollo 11 bogus. I have done that already by examining the Apollo 11 Mission report, the voice transcript , press kit , astronaut testimonies and testimony from David Reed. The proof of fraud is done. Given that FACT, I suggest the Starry Night thing is no accident and I cannot prove it to be the case, but you cannot prove it is an innocent anomaly either.
The Starry Night software developers are part of the conspiracy?
I'd like to reserve the Stundie on this one, pending confirmation that I haven't misunderstood this somehow
Doubt it, but the person that put the finishing touches on that program doesn't want you to look at the Earth. Could have been done without Starry Night's knowledge for all I know. But my point is that it is a clumsy effort to pretend the Earth was not in the lunar sky and very very very bright and potentially featuring bright lasers as well on its dark side. Neither of us can move beyond this point. I say intentional, you say weird anomaly . I just bring it up for those who have the software to check out. This fact about the software in no way proves Apollo 11 bogus. I have done that already by examining the Apollo 11 Mission report, the voice transcript , press kit , astronaut testimonies and testimony from David Reed. The proof of fraud is done. Given that FACT, I suggest the Starry Night thing is no accident and I cannot prove it to be the case, but you cannot prove it is an innocent anomaly either.
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Patrick, this is utterly illogical. Your contention is that the astronauts were not actually on the moon. Therefore they were not able to take their photographs on the moon. Therefore the photographs had to be faked.
The photographs which NASA produced showing the earth must, in your scenario, be fakes. A completely fake earth, showing a facsimile of the real earth's contemporaneous weather patterns, as seen from a completely fake lunar landscape.
Why should the fakers be incapable of adding a little detail of a fake dot of light to their fake earth, if they felt the need?
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They are on the MOON. How can they be forced?
Yet you provide no evidence for this. None
You have already had it explained how this quote does not support, in any way whatsoever, your claim. Please stop regurgitating it at every opportunity.
Your very own favourite quote state that it was 10 days after the landing that they got a laser on target at Tranquility. There were no astronauts there by then. Who are you expecting to take the picture?
Does not support your wild claims, so irrelevant.
Repetition of the same claims within the same post does not an argument make. The claims remain utterly wrong.
None of the images are cropped. None. They entire photographic Apollo record it available online. Not one image is cropped. Show me one cropped image.
You just don't get science do you. What scientific value would it have had to take such an image? Answer me that, doctor?
Yeah the sextant and AOT were window dressing, sure.
Again a rehash of previous claims in different words. Still doesn't add any credibility.
Are you even aware how insane this claim seems? To maintain the conspiracy Bean destroys his camera, yet no other astronaut does?
Even when Beans mission had no LRRR, and no risk of any laswer shining on them?
The Starry Night software developers are part of the conspiracy?
I'd like to reserve the Stundie on this one, pending confirmation that I haven't misunderstood this somehow
That's the big HB problem, their theory must grow as it develops until it literally encompasses hundreds of thousands of co-conspirators.
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Right, so your conspiracy has grown to include the dev team of starry night.
You still have not answered the question of why the working spacecraft, built by hundreds of thousands of scientists and engineers was not used SIX TIMES IN A ROW.
Please answer this.
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Now that I'm done laughing, I'm a little worried about you, Patrick. You think this astronomy software package is part of a conspiracy to make people who're sufficiently interested in astronomy to buy it not think about the fact that Apollo 11 landed on the earth-facing side of the moon?
I hesitate to say 'paranoia', but that's quite a leap of logic.
Oh, and you haven't "proven" any such thing. These declarations of victory are as tedious as they are hollow. You are convincing nobody. All you have is one remark about the working figures people had in the first few hours of landing which doesn't seem to describe the final figures as laid out in the post-mission report. Nobody else registers surprise, while you yell "Proooofz!". Unimpressed.
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Experiment that demonstrated the feasibility of the LRRR experiment
Not sure what you mean abaddon so will answer the question "both ways". The purpose of the original 1968 Surveyor VII shot was to demonstrate the feasibility of the LRRR experiment.
In the context of a moon landing, the fear would be someone would force this photo.
If you look at the voice transcript , you'll find that the CapCom/astronauts discuss laser light. Claiming to have seen and photographed lasers just after the moon walk(I think when just up in orbit after LM launch but not sure). And Aldrin says he took pictures of this laser light that surprisingly was on the light side of the Earth. Armstrong said he saw the laser light too. This is at day 6 when the astronauts are "safe" and not operating cameras.
Ever see these shots of lasers that the astronauts claim to have abaddon?
Time 06 07 36 58
CC Roger. And the next question from our p_lnel is for Buzz. We recall that he reported seeing a laser upon AOS of the Earth the first time after - the first REV after ascent, and we're
wondering what color the beam was and if he could determine at the approximate location with
respect to the Earth. Over.
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LMP It was mostly white, perhaps a tinge of yellowish color to it; and it seemed to be - as I recall it, the terminator of the Earth was toward the
horizon and seemed to be about a quarter to a third of the way down from - down towards the
terminator of the Earth - from the opposite
horizon. That's a third to a quarter Earth radii. Over.
CC Roger. And that puts it in the light side? Over.
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LMP Roger. Yes, it was in the light side. The
Earth was about - a two-thirds lit Earth, with the terminator down toward the horizon. And
now coming from the opposite limb of the Earth,
the sunlight limb, coming down about one-quarter to one-third of a radius in from the limb.
Generally, pensively located with respect to a line drawn perpendicular to the terminator
that goes through the center. Over.
CC Roger, Buzz. We copy.
LMP And I got pictures of that. I'm sure ths,twill show up.
CDR And I saw that, too. It was a very bright spot of light and I confirm Buzz's observation of its position.
Sounds like a laser they photographed abaddon. Ever see the pics? Alternative explanations? Obviously these guys are interested in taking photos of lasers.
Not sure what you mean abaddon so will answer the question "both ways". The purpose of the original 1968 Surveyor VII shot was to demonstrate the feasibility of the LRRR experiment.
In the context of a moon landing, the fear would be someone would force this photo.
If you look at the voice transcript , you'll find that the CapCom/astronauts discuss laser light. Claiming to have seen and photographed lasers just after the moon walk(I think when just up in orbit after LM launch but not sure). And Aldrin says he took pictures of this laser light that surprisingly was on the light side of the Earth. Armstrong said he saw the laser light too. This is at day 6 when the astronauts are "safe" and not operating cameras.
Ever see these shots of lasers that the astronauts claim to have abaddon?
Time 06 07 36 58
CC Roger. And the next question from our p_lnel is for Buzz. We recall that he reported seeing a laser upon AOS of the Earth the first time after - the first REV after ascent, and we're
wondering what color the beam was and if he could determine at the approximate location with
respect to the Earth. Over.
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LMP It was mostly white, perhaps a tinge of yellowish color to it; and it seemed to be - as I recall it, the terminator of the Earth was toward the
horizon and seemed to be about a quarter to a third of the way down from - down towards the
terminator of the Earth - from the opposite
horizon. That's a third to a quarter Earth radii. Over.
CC Roger. And that puts it in the light side? Over.
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LMP Roger. Yes, it was in the light side. The
Earth was about - a two-thirds lit Earth, with the terminator down toward the horizon. And
now coming from the opposite limb of the Earth,
the sunlight limb, coming down about one-quarter to one-third of a radius in from the limb.
Generally, pensively located with respect to a line drawn perpendicular to the terminator
that goes through the center. Over.
CC Roger, Buzz. We copy.
LMP And I got pictures of that. I'm sure ths,twill show up.
CDR And I saw that, too. It was a very bright spot of light and I confirm Buzz's observation of its position.
Sounds like a laser they photographed abaddon. Ever see the pics? Alternative explanations? Obviously these guys are interested in taking photos of lasers.
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