Is Islam an evil religion?

[Dayan81]

So you're the absolute authority on what Islam means?

"Islam" means submission. That's it.

 

[Craig B]

And Christianity means anointed-personism and Catholicism means universalism and Protestantism means what it says - no more no less, and Hindu means Indian and Parsee means Persian and Jew means Judaean and ... That's it.

This is great! Saves a great deal of useless brain-strain.

 

[tsig]

No, I post to highlight the diversity of interpretations of Islam. All the quotes and citations, containing both moderate and extremist interpretations of Islam, have been from actual Muslims themselves. Unlike, for instance, Bill's citations.



Considering most victims of Muslim terrorists are other Muslims, I tend to doubt that very highly.

So we can't judge Islam by its' book and we can't judge it by what its' adherents do so what's left?

 

[FireGarden]

Let us consider, and then admire, an earlier view of the relationship between the holy scriptures of a religion, and the attitude we should adopt towards its adherents. Here is the great American freethinker R G Ingersoll (1833-99), discussing Judaism, and Jews.

(Some Mistakes of Moses)

Does he then go on to say, we have to condemn the Jews, because this is the behaviour their religion requires of them, and if (as observed) most Jews don't behave like this, then they can't be real Jews, or they're hiding their true beliefs? No, what he says about real Jews is this: http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/jews.html

But, shortly after your first quote, he does say this:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/some_mistakes_of_moses.html

The church, impotent and malicious,
regrets, not the abuse, but the loss of her power, and seeks to
hold by falsehood what she gained by cruelty and force, by fire and
fear. Christianity cannot live in peace with any other form of faith.

If that religion be true, there is but one savior, one
inspired book, and but one little narrow grass-grown path that
leads to heaven. Such a religion is necessarily uncompromising,
unreasoning, aggressive and insolent. Christianity has held all
other creeds and forms in infinite contempt, divided the world into
enemies and friends, and verified the awful declaration of its
founder -- a declaration that wet with blood the sword he came to
bring, and made the horizon of a thousand years lurid with the
fagots' flames.

I carried on for a page or so, then stopped.

 

[FireGarden]

So we can't judge Islam by its' book and we can't judge it by what its' adherents do so what's left?

To judge the book by what the book says and individual adherents by what they themselves do.

ETA: We can also say of Islam that it is varied, not monolithic.

 

[A'isha]

So we can't judge Islam by its' book and we can't judge it by what its' adherents do so what's left?

Judging each group of Muslims by what they do and say. What the militant Deobandi clerics in London mosques preach isn't the fault or responsibility of the Nur Ashki Jerrahi Sufi community in New York.

But, shortly after your first quote, he does say this:
http://www.infidels.org/library/historical/robert_ingersoll/some_mistakes_of_moses.html


I carried on for a page or so, then stopped.

What strikes me is that you could cut-and-paste Islam for Christianity in the above passage, and it'd be indistinguishable from the posts made by Bill and others here.

And it's just as egregiously insulting; I don't think I could have stomached more than a page of what that guy was saying either.

 

[Bill Thompson]

If you believe in freedom of religion you still have to thin the heard of religions and remove the religions that are AGAINST freedom of religion. If you want freedom of religion on this planet you have to remove or change the religions that forbid their members to leave their cult -- I mean, religion -- under threat of death or loss of family.

 

[Dayan81]

If you believe in freedom of religion you still have to thin the herd of religions and remove the religions that are AGAINST freedom of religion....

There are more than 1 billion Muslims on Earth. A vast-majority of them have no intention of abandoning their faith and converting to another one.

That said, how do you suggest we "thin the herd"?

Bullets, artillery, nuclear weapons, or VX gas?

 

[A'isha]

If you believe in freedom of religion you still have to thin the heard of religions and remove the religions that are AGAINST freedom of religion. If you want freedom of religion on this planet you have to remove or change the religions that forbid their members to leave their cult -- I mean, religion -- under threat of death or loss of family.

America's already got that covered, Bill. We investigate, arrest, and put on trial people of all religions who do stuff like that, so that the members of those religions who don't do things like that can worship in peace.

 

[tsig]

Judging each group of Muslims by what they do and say. What the militant Deobandi clerics in London mosques preach isn't the fault or responsibility of the Nur Ashki Jerrahi Sufi community in New York.



What strikes me is that you could cut-and-paste Islam for Christianity in the above passage, and it'd be indistinguishable from the posts made by Bill and others here.

And it's just as egregiously insulting; I don't think I could have stomached more than a page of what that guy was saying either.

So when Muslims kill 3000 it's fair to say they're mass murderers.

Why do all you Islam apologists keep harping on Christianity? I agree it's just as evil as Islam so please don't mention it to me again.

 

[I Ratant]

America's already got that covered, Bill. We investigate, arrest, and put on trial people of all religions who do stuff like that, so that the members of those religions who don't do things like that can worship in peace.

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We prefer to term it.."freedom FROM religion".
Works very well.

 

[Dayan81]

..Why do all you Islam apologists keep harping on Christianity?..

What exactly is an "Islam apologist"?

 

[A'isha]

So when Muslims kill 3000 it's fair to say they're mass murderers.

Those Muslims, yes. But what does that have to do with the literally millions of Muslims both in the US and worldwide who not only haven't killed 3000 people, but were horrified when it happened?

What exactly is an "Islam apologist"?

Someone who doesn't blame all Muslims for 9/11, apparently.

 

[tsig]

Those Muslims, yes. But what does that have to do with the literally millions of Muslims both in the US and worldwide who not only haven't killed 3000 people, but were horrified when it happened?



Someone who doesn't blame all Muslims for 9/11, apparently.

You mean the ones who danced in the street with joy that the great Satan had been struck?



apologist [əˈpɒlədʒɪst]
n
a person who offers a defence by argument


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apologist


ETA: I'm sure you can provide cites about Muslims being horrified.

 

[Lowpro]

You mean the ones who danced in the street with joy that the great Satan had been struck?



apologist [əˈpɒlədʒɪst]
n
a person who offers a defence by argument


http://www.thefreedictionary.com/apologist


ETA: I'm sure you can provide cites about Muslims being horrified.

Interesting you see I just googled "Muslims horrified 9/11" and got this

Muslim organizations in the United States were swift to condemn the attacks and called "upon Muslim Americans to come forward with their skills and resources to help alleviate the sufferings of the affected people and their families".[181] These organizations included the Islamic Society of North America, American Muslim Alliance, American Muslim Council, Council on American-Islamic Relations, Islamic Circle of North America, and the Shari'a Scholars Association of North America. Along with monetary donations, many Islamic organizations launched blood drives and provided medical assistance, food, and shelter for victims.[182][183][184]

tsig why are you trying to pretend all Muslims were glad that their religion was validated through 9/11 because most Muslims would disagree with that =\

It's like pretending Japan attacked Pearl Harbor and every Japanese person in America (nay, the world) danced in the street (and then they were trotted off to internment camps -.-)

 

[JudeBrando]

Why do all you Islam apologists keep harping on Christianity?

Common enemy.

It speaks only of their predominant concern and motivation- a foremost hatred of Judaism and Christianity- the God of the Bible.

What else can it be?

 

[JudeBrando]

"Islam" means submission. That's it.

"Israel" means "wrestles with God."

Which do you prefer- engage or submit?

 

[Akhenaten]

Effective.

As in "effective for the Aten".

All else is heresy.

 

[Craig B]

If you want freedom of religion, you have to ... remove the religions ...

Bill, please stop pretending you have no quarrel with Muslims. You want to remove their religion, just as it was removed from Greece, or Spain. And if you can't see anything contradictory in guaranteeing freedom of religion by removing it, there's no hope for you.

 

[I Ratant]

Common enemy.

It speaks only of their predominant concern and motivation- a foremost hatred of Judaism and Christianity- the God of the Bible.

What else can it be?

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It's the SAME stupid god; jesus christ, who doesn't know that!!!!!