Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

[sts60]

Patrick1000/fattydash/BFischer/BSpassky/Sicilian/mvinson/piersquared/etc. is also not a very competent liar. The root cause is the same thing that makes him a bad writer; he never knows when to stop talking, and thus inevitably contradicts himself.

First, posting on BAUT as "Sicilian" (a sock puppet of BFischer, DoctorTea, BSpassky, etc.; he even admits to some of the sock-puppetry):

I work with BFischer, aka DrTea. We are both night docs at the same institutuion.

So he's a night doctor...

After getting banned in all his sock-puppet incarnations there, he then begins posting as "fattydash" over on apollohoax...
« Reply #390 on Jul 15, 2011, 9:21pm [EDT] »

...Good morning to all, typically I would sleep now. I have been up for 15 hours working in a hospital...

...Except (note the posting time above) he works during the day...

After getting banned again over on apollohoax, he brings the act over here...

...The "fattydash" posts were written by a GROUP of individuals, most of whom are

members of a chess club. 4 or 5 are San Francisco based physicians, as am I.
...I was born, raised and live in San Francisco ...

I am a general hospitalist,....

Believe it or not, I really am a writer. Well, we all are writers, but I do it as a job sometimes, whether freelance or other things. I'll be writing some medical reports for the United Nations. ... I began writing medical stuff as an epidemiological statistician...

I have been on Sabbatical from one of my jobs and had time, but now must return to work. I won't do any of this stuff away from home. I pass my free time reading and playing chess. This activity is a tad stressful, not to my liking when I am writing...

So he's a night doctor who works during the day, but he's a writer who's actively writing right now - meaning he's on sabbatical from his job as a doctor, where he's been busy practicing during the day as a night doctor. Got it?

Now, the Stundielicious part:

Wouldn't you like to know about my job(s). Betcha' you'd think I was pretty cool then. No way I'm telling...

Good thing he didn't tell us before, then, what his pretend job is. But if he doesn't want to tell us what convenience store he clerks at, or which all-night drive-through window he staffs, that's his perogative.

And, after posting for over 12 hours how he's going to catch a flight from his San Francisco home, but he didn't make the flight out:

4:42 AM

You have NO idea where I even am now.

Umm, wild guess - San Francisco? (Allegedly.)

ETA: Since he keeps saying he lives in San Francisco, given his problems with telling the truth, it's not at all hard to believe that's just as much a fiction as his age and alleged professions.

 

[drewid]

Don't forgwt he was also a radar technician/engineer over on Baut, where he posted as Highgain.

 

[sts60]

OK, this was absolutely pointless, but in a bizarre way fun to do; it's like performance art. Each italicized timestamp represents a different post by the socktor.

Thursday, 11:14 AM EDT
...Anyway, I'll be in India for a month working. You guys are off the hook for a while. But I can hear your sweat drops hit the ground from our airport here....
Clock is ticking, I am back in a month. ...
See ya' in September, my bird is calling. Hope they know how to figure out the landing coordinates for Delhi...
11:41 AM
...Couldn't resist this one last one before I step on the plane...
11:55 AM
...Gotta' run.
12:13 PM
OH Red tail, you'll make me late for my flight. But since you insist. ...
...My curry awaits. BYE!!!!!!
3:09 PM
...I have an hour to board...
3:41 PM
Time for one last one ...
3:53 PM
Has to be my last one D or I really will miss my plane.
4:33 PM
...See you too in a month...
5:10 PM
India via Europe, flight delayed,...
9:48 PM
...Knew you kids would be happy to hear from me one more time. I won't bore you with the details, but almost had to stay another day and not leave 'til tomorrow, but that's all changed. ...
Zoom zoom zoom, I'm off!
Friday, 12:31 AM EDT (Thurs 9:31 PM PDT)
...I did think I was getting out of town. Still, you guys are off the hook. I need to sleep, will try to get outta' here tomorrow...
12:44 AM
1:08 AM
I suggest you not worry about my flight cuz' who knows, maybe I'll get a job writing the first report focusing on the dismantlement of Apollo...
OH WELL,............Gdnight.
1:12 AM... 1:14 AM... 1:16 AM... 1:18 AM... 1:22 AM... 1:23 AM...
4:15 AM... 4:34 AM...
4:36 AM
Originally Posted by SezMe
Airline and Flight Number please.
Still here Sez, you'll get rid of me soon enough
"How can I miss you if you won't go away?"
and to be frank, i 'll be glad to have a break.
"Stop me before I post again!"
4:36 AM
So sleepy now.
4:39 AM... 4:42 AM... 4:47 AM... 4:52 AM... 4:54 AM... 4:56 AM... 5:10 AM...
7:42 AM... 745 AM...
8:17 AM...
9:39 AM... 9:41 AM...
10:01AM
If I don't post again. thanks, really mean it. I'll be back, perhaps later today, but definitely gone for some time tomorrow and into sept.. Good luck, see ya' when I return , assuming no more time for posting today.
10:18 AM
Ciao
11:20 AM
I am going... Will be back I imagine, though to be honest, I am far from sure... Anyway, ciao bro!...
11:27 AM
Hopefully, I 'll come back, but to be honest, I have so much to do now away from this stuff,....
11:47 AM
...I'll end there. I must sleep a bit. Gdbye ApolloGnomon. Perhaps I shall return. ...
12:05 PM
I will pass out now. Wish I could write more, but need rest and then off.
12:06 PM... 12:16 PM...
12:17 PM
Bye everybody!!!
12:45 PM
Last comment to you Redtail...
12:57 PM...


It's now two hours later with no more words of wisdom from our socktor. I guess the Red Bull crash must have set in.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

It's now two hours later with no more words of wisdom from our socktor. I guess the Red Bull crash must have set in.

His longest dry spell in the last 24 hours was 4 hours long, so he can still pop in.

It seems to me that Patrick1000 is 1a) pulling a drug- or energy drink-fueled all-nighter for no apparent reason other than to chat with us, 1b) is having a dangerously unhealthy episode of an obsessive-compulsive disorder, or 2) is actually more than one person.

I wonder, if we bothered to waste our time plotting his posts since he joined, could we find a period of time that would account for even a less-than-average night's sleep?

(I know, mods, that I shouldn't be focusing on the poster, but we may be dealing with someone who has a problem that could be very detrimental to his well-being. His very clear memory issues may be the result of sleep deprivation. That, or the account is in violation of the Membership Agreement.)

 

[phunk]

sts60: you missed when he said "I am boarding now" at 3:36.

So his flight was cancelled after it had begun boarding.

 

[sts60]

Other than for amusement, the only reason for posting the above is that he has repeatedly appealed to inconsistencies, slung so many accusations of lies, and said the former implies the latter. Glass houses, etc.

 

[GlennB]

sts60: you missed when he said "I am boarding now" at 3:36.

So his flight was cancelled after it had begun boarding.

Oops. That's really a little disturbing

 

[sts60]

Actually, that happened to me once. Mr. Wing, meet Mr. Food Service Truck.

 

[332nd]

I'm just waiting for him to sign up under a sock & refer to himself in the wrong alias.

 

[tsig]

You may ignore the point , or pretend not to mind, or pretend you are "above it all" Matt when you do not engage me substantivekly when I bring a matter such as this up.

You may believe you fool the casual reader, but you should be aware that others notice you avoiding. I it s OK AND the pity is , you might be proven "correct" if you cared to give it a try at countering me, but you pretend to see my view as almost beneath you.

Matt as you sit idly by, I present my side in great detail for all to read and see, right or wrong. You do your self an injustice. Here are my "walls of writing" as you call them, and some people find the writing persuasive. Whether or not it proves correct, well that is yet to be determined. But I present much as you do nothing.

It is not here nor there so much for me as I will continue on, but you should try. For your own sake. It is not so hard Matt and it is very worthwhile. anyway, that is what I think. Hate to see you pretend to not care.

Patrick if it was all scripted then why would there be any confusion about the coordinates?

 

[tsig]

I do not know how important my position was after all ApolloGnomon. Perhaps when I return I will write an essay about Apollo. My friends encouraged me to do one, so I may. But I got out of this what I needed. Not that the "truth" isn't important, but more important to realize when you are and are not a jerk and I was a jerk to X, so hope I learned. that may not make sense to you, but I dare say I am a little older, maybe not, but probably. Not that age is wisdom, but it changes things. So what if they did or did not walk on the moon? By so what I mean what happened between me and X was more important in my life and I botched it. So if I learn from that, hope I did, then Apollo one way or the other is much less important.

That said, I imagine when I return I will "look" for more evidence of foreknowledge. That is my original idea and it is a good one. If Apollo is FRAUD, and I do not know if it is or is not, but if it is, this is the way to attack it. I say this because for your side, the rocks, the photos, the trajectories are taken off the table. I can eviscerate the strength of your position by adopting this line of attack. hen we sort of become equals. Pat

Me. myself and I, right?

 

[Corsair 115]

It seems we can perhaps summarize all of Patrick1000's posts thusly:

*facepalm*

 

[matt.tansy]

Patrick if it was all scripted then why would there be any confusion about the coordinates?

Because the all-powerful NWO can't help but tip their hand to those select special few who have found out they exist. It's the NWO's way of letting the elite few know they know you know but you are powerless to stop them.

 

[matt.tansy]

OK, this was absolutely pointless, but in a bizarre way fun to do; it's like performance art. Each italicized timestamp represents a different post by the socktor.

<huge snip>

It's now two hours later with no more words of wisdom from our socktor. I guess the Red Bull crash must have set in.

You forgot he somehow managed to take a little dip in the middle of all of that.

Today at 12:58 PM. I did go swimming yesterday and a touch of work as well.

 

[sts60]

Teh internets thank you for snipping the middle out of that quote when replying.

 

[SezMe]

Teh internets thank you for snipping the middle out of that quote when replying.

It's a real pain in the patootie to see a wall o' text - especially an inane one - copied in its entirety followed by a short one-liner from the poster.

 

[abaddon]

My prediction is that either:
A. he will stop posting for a period, then resume with the same tired arguments all over again.

or

B. will ignore any reference to the fantasy India trip entirely

 

[Kiwi9]

How did the CAPCOM learn about the laser being fired? From Walter Cronkite, who had breathless but uncorrect information from a field reporter.

Misinformation repeated is still misinformation. The only sources for the information "LRRR reflection returned on 20th" are faulty. Mission control was not in charge of Lick Observatory, they were not AT the observatory, and the only way they knew what was happening in the outside world was from television which was WRONG.

Television reported the laser return. Television was wrong...

ApolloGnomon, thank you very much for that story. I'd often wondered about the comment in the Apollo Lunar Surface Journal. All they have in "Trying to Rest" is:

112:34:29 McCandless: You might be interested in knowing, Mike, that we have gotten reflections back from the laser reflector array they deployed, and we may be able to get some information out of that a little later.

[Information from the laser returns can be used to refine estimates of the landing site location made, so far, from tracking data and LM guidance telemetry.]

I'd suggest you write it up and pass it on to the ALSJ, as it is an important and valuable bit of information. A little more valuable than what Patrick1000 has to say.

 

[sts60]

It bears repeating that Apollo 11 had one single primary objective: "1.***** To perform a manned lunar landing and return.". Deploying the LRRR was just one of of the six secondary experimental objectives, which were themselves just part of the various other secondary objectives. Even locating the landed LM itself was a secondary objective. (ETA: All they needed was to land close enough to their planned target to perform LOR - but despite being asked repeatedly, P1k/fd/DT/etc. could never say why this hadn't been done.)

Because poor Patrick1000/fattydash/DoctorTea/etc. doesn't understand spaceflight, he blows it all up into this major crisis, so he can wallow in alleged "inconsistencies", never minding the mass of self-contradictions and errors in his own flood of words. (My favorite being his allegation that the A11 crew was hiding in Earth orbit and on the ground at the same time.)

ETA, much later: Also, while placing the LRRR was part of the flight plan, once that was done the crew and flight control team had no further operational interest. There was nothing else to do with the LRRR in the A11 flight plan after it was installed; again, as far as the crew's and FCT's operational interest, it might as well have been a rock outcropping.

 

[Kid Eager]

It has been an amusing thread. I guess I have an advantage in that I watched the descent and landing in realtime, as many others here may have done. It was well known at the time that there was a last-minute change to the landing sight on account of coming in slightly too hot and too many rocks in the target area. When Armstrong(?) went to manual control to pick the cleanest patch of ground, initial certainty of location was a problem.