Merged Apollo "hoax" discussion / Lick observatory laser saga

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Y'see the other problem with the poop hypothosis is that the flight surgeon and team had prolonged and close contact with the astronauts up to the mission, and a stream of useful telemetry during the mission. They also knew the living conditions, diet and any medication in the days leading up to and after blast off. It's not that Boorman had just wandered into his Doctors surgury and presented his symptoms out of the blue.
 
Oh and Pat/Dr Radar/Fattydash, do you have a citation for the exact coordinates that Lick received on the 7th? just wondering.
 
OK Matt, I promise I will check the other thread. do me a favor and give me the post number so I can locate it quickly. I honestly cannot remember you giving me an answer. thanks in advance for the number.
 
Patrick1000 said:
EXCELLENT WORK X, THAT IS EXACTLY THE ARTICLE I WAS HOPING YOU WOULD FIND, THE REMINGTON STONE ARTICLE. But you are not done. So how did the astronauts determine their coordinates? you haven't answered all the questions yet. you've actually just kind of started. But i agree 2,000,000 percent on your first reply. We are together on that one. Keep going and tell me more. What were the numbers and how did the astronauts calculate them?
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Do you see that there are 5 posts between this one and the one you are replying too? Do you realize that this wasting everyone's time because we have to scroll up to figure out what post you are referring to and what was in it? Do you realize that this is slows everyone when replying to you? Do you not care about internet etiquette at all?
 
Patrick1000 said:
OK Matt, I promise I will check the other thread. do me a favor and give me the post number so I can locate it quickly. I honestly cannot remember you giving me an answer. thanks in advance for the number.
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More lies.

You've seen it. You realized it crushed your claim. So you ignored it.
 
Patrick1000 said:
So X, our answer is different from Matt's
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"Our" answer? "Our"? Realize this: I think you are a troll. It's the more polite alternative.


Additionally, if that article was the one you were hoping would turn up (implying you were aware of it), then you already know the answers to the first 3 of your questions. Your method of argument is patronizing and disingenuous.
 
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I cared about it.

I clicked the link in the second post and realized that you were lying in your opening post.
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I know the Remington Stone article back and forth, i have read it over 100 times, literally. are you implying I am unfamiliar with it and/or do not view it as an important reference. i have referenced that article already in my previous posts(separate thread, same subject). I think you are off target here 16.5.
 
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Patrick1000 said:
What was i lying about
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Patrick1000 said:
LIES BEGIN HERE: I challenged members of this forum in a separate thread to answer the 4 questions above for the reason already stated and received not a single response from a poster in answer to my "challenge". As such, I thought it would be worthwhile to "reask" the question in its own dedicated thread to see if there were individuals brave enough to take up this insanely interesting quest for revelation.

So there it is! Give it a go, and as you answer questions 1 through 4, you'll find someone knew where Neil was going to land, EXACTLY WHERE, before he even landed there. This of course leads to the conclusion that as already mentioned, Apollo must be fraudulent.
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They may have started earlier, but after the second post, I realized that you were basically a fraud, with an irritating posting style.
 
Hi Pat. I will respond to your questions, without literally answering them. For reasons I'm about to explain, I don't think one needs to answer these questions to satisfactorily address them, although you may well disagree.

In any case, when you ask:

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The key to discovering this for oneself is to embark on the task of answering 4 questions with respect to events on the evening of 07/20/1969;

1) who contacted Lick Observatory on that evening and provided the scientists there the coordinates of Tranquility Base so that the scientists might target the lunar laser retro-reflector said to have been placed on the lunar surface by the Apollo 11 astronauts?
2) When was that notification made?
3) what were the coordinates of Tranquilty Base given to the Lick Observatopry scientists that evening so that they might target the LRRR?
4) how were those coordinates determined?
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The precise answers to these questions are really irrelevant, since they're just trivia. A more meaningful set of questions could be articulated as follows:

(1) Was it possible for someone to contact Lick and provide the coordinates?

(2) Was it possible to determine the coordinates?

The answer to both these questions is of course "yes," meaning that the fact that Lick's experiment was successful in no way calls into question the reality of Apollo. Think of it this way: You don't need to know the who, when, where, and how behind the invention of the jet engine to be comfortably certain airline travel is a reality.

So challenging people to answer your questions above doesn't really advance the discussion any. Failure to answer doesn't lend any credence to your theory that the moon landing was a hoax, any more than successfully answering them strengthens the case for Apollo. Whether or not Apollo was a fraud will be determined by far more relevant and meaningful factors, not mere trivia.
 
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Lick called NASA and got the coordinates as calculated and radioed back by Armstrong and Aldrin.

As has been already answered in your other thread. Link
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No Matt, X is saying, "Lick called NASA and got the coordinates as calculated and radioed back by Armstrong". That is what X is saying. did i copy X's words wrong there MAtt?
 
Stellafane said:
Hi Pat. I will respond to your questions, without literally answering them. For reasons I'm about to explain, I don't think one needs to answer these questions to satisfactorily address them, although you may well disagree.

In any case, when you ask:



The precise answers to these questions are really irrelevant, since they're just trivia. A more meaningful set of questions could be articulated as follows:

(1) Was it possible for someone to contact Lick and provide the coordinates?

(2) Was it possible to determine the coordinates?

The answer to both these questions is of course "yes," meaning that the fact that Lick's experiment was successful in no way calls into question the reality of Apollo. Think of it this way: You don't need to know the who, when, where, and how behind the invention of the jet engine to be comfortably certain airline travel is a reality.

So challenging people to answer your questions above doesn't really advance the discussion any. Failure to answer doesn't lend any credence to your theory that the moon landing was a hoax, any more than successfully answering them strengthens the case for Apollo. Whether or not Apollo was a fraud will be determined by far more relevant and meaningful factors, not mere trivia.
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I really love your style Stella, seriously. You are so very fair. i need to think about what you wrote a bit and will comment. OK, give me a bit. Thanks again, great post. Pat
 
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