Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

[Dayan81]

Prepare for "it was all planted" in 3...2...1...

10 years on there is still no evidence that any of the human or aircraft remains at Ground Zero or the Pentagon were not planted.

 

[NoahFence]

10 years on there is still no evidence that any of the human or aircraft remains at Ground Zero or the Pentagon were not planted.

???

 

[twinstead]

10 years on there is still no evidence that any of the human or aircraft remains at Ground Zero or the Pentagon were not planted.

What kind of evidence would show something was "not planted"?

 

[Dayan81]

???

I was being facetious. It appears to have failed.

 

[NoahFence]

I was being facetious. It appears to have failed.

whew!

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Hard to tell, sometimes.

 

[Gamolon]

Final post on Leslie Robertson admitting Molten steel:

I think what I'm about to say will sum it up.

I have seen some absurd things here...but to say Leslie Robinson was using like in a comparison way..has to take the cake.

I don't care HOW you want to spin it. The bottom line is that when someone uses the word "like" in a description, it means they are comparing the actual subject to the closest thing they can think of in order to describe that which they are not sure.

For you to say that Leslie Robertson is quoted as saying what he observed was a "river of molten steel" is just ridiculous. You obviously have no clue as to the difference between someone saying "This tastes LIKE chicken" or "This IS chicken". Why would someone even use the word LIKE to describe something that they already know what it is? I guess when YOU pick a rose and smell it, you happily exclaim "HEY! this smells like a rose!!!!"

You need to provide a quote in which someone used the word "like" in their description and actually MEANT that the subject following the "like" was actually what they originally tasted, smelled, observed, heard, etc.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

was the red-hot metal in these photos tested to verify their metallic composition?

and its clearly not even molten either, just hot. I can do that with the fire in my house.

 

[Animal]

That's right then how did one turn into a horse shoe after the event...see my other posts not going to post again.

It only turned into one in your delusions. Hand waving away the facts will not change that.

 

[Jrrarglblarg]

Is he talking about the cladding or is he talking about one of teh pix of pretzeled columns? I'm confused.

 

[Carll68]

For our under educated truther

sim·i·le   /ˈsɪməli/ Show Spelled[sim-uh-lee] noun
1. a figure of speech in which two unlike things are explicitly compared, as in “she is like a rose.”

 

[GlennB]

Is he talking about the cladding or is he talking about one of teh pix of pretzeled columns? I'm confused.

I think one of the pretzeled columns. It's hard to pick much sense out of this recent wave of Truthers though. One of them seems to think "cladding" is a verb, in the sense we're discussing it, and wants to see evidence of "cladding" happening. Preferably on YouTube, I suppose.

 

[twinstead]

I was being facetious. It appears to have failed.

No, it was actually pretty good now that I think about it.

 

[Oystein]

"twoofers dumb, government never lie to us, twoofers delusional."

No one here has ever used the claim "government never lie to us" to support any argument. No-one here would be this stupid.

However, it was you who used the claim "Richard Gage never lie to us" to support your argument that there was molten (nothing molten there) steel (no steel there) in a picture. No-one here would be this stupid. Except for one person.

 

[tfk]

tmd2,

Let me see if I understand this fact-free, conclusion-free, innuendo laden paragraph ...

... it doesn't bother you that people who have no reason to lie...none what so ever...said they saw beams melting?

Doesn't bother me in the slightest.
There were tens of thousands of eye-witnesses.
Not one of them (AFAIK) said what you assert they said ("I saw beams melting". "melting": Present tense.)
A very, very few (perhaps less than 20) of them said "I saw beams that had melted." "melted": Past tense.)
Many related that they had heard of a friend of a friend of a friend who said that they'd seen melted beams.
Out of 10s of thousands of witnesses, a fair percent are always wrong.

Especially when they have zero expertise in identifying what they are looking at.

You have in the FEMA report...that both Frank Greening and Ryan Mackey wanted NIST to run more tests on (they didn't), and that doesn't seem a little strange to you?

AFAIK, none of Ryan Mackey's or Frank Greening's comments made it into the FEMA report.
Like you just said that they did.

Now I'm going to take this comment of yours, I am not going to listen to any explanation from you as to why your intended meaning was not what was explicitly written.

I have your words: "You have in the FEMA report...that both Frank Greening and Ryan Mackey wanted NIST to run more tests".

Those are your words.

You NEVER get to correct or elaborate on them.

Kinda unfair, wouldn't ya say?

Exactly what you do with Leslie Robertson's comments.
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BTW, no, the fact that they wanted a few more tests does not seem strange. You get 10 engineers reading another one's report, you'll get back 10 opinions on what more THEY would have done if they had been the original investigator. Zero surprise.

And neither Greening or Mackey would suggest that the tests that they wanted would have changed the outcome one iota. Of course, you'll ignore this point as you continue to perform your broken-record, parrot imitation.

You have pictures...that sure look like molten steel,

You've proven, 50 times over, that you're not qualified to make that assertion.

all the samples of what little beams remain...

Brain dead comment.

Check out hundreds of pictures of tens of thousands of columns, beams, trusses.
Images of Ground Zero

You have precisely zero evidence that even one, out of 20,000 or so, columns are missing.
You have precisely zero evidence that even one of the columns are cut, melted, manipulated, etc. in any fashion.

This comment is not only meaningless, it's a lie.

remember in that video with the horse shoe shaped beam...it seems like there was indeed molten steel.

And you know as little about metal forming as you do about anything else.

It is 100% positive that that curved beam NEVER saw any melting temperatures. If it had, there would be NO curved beam. Liquid metal cannot generate the stresses necessary to bend any beam, no matter how thick or thin. The beam simply separates at the melt point.

The temps necessary to curve that beam in that fashion are not higher than 250°C. At which it would take a long time (likely several days) to bend the beam like that.

Of course, at higher temps (say around 500°C), it could have been done much, much faster.

tmd, on point after point after point, your comments prove that you have zero knowledge about any of these topics. That the best you can do is to parrot, uncomprehending, the words of others.

And it is equally apparent that you have no qualifications to judge whether those other peoples' comments are factual or garbage.

I gotta give you one thing, tho: you show an uncanny affinity for garbage.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Originally Posted by tmd2_1 View Post
What the Israels point to another suspect.

And you can't guess why Israelis might be pleased that the worlds remaining superpower has just been thrown into a war against their mortal foe? Really?

Would dancing be utterly tactless and tasteless? Absolutely. Just as it was when Arabs did it in Palestine and other Arab countries. And if Dancing is "proof" of Israeli involvement why wouldn't similar dancing be "proof" of arab/muslim involvement?

Dancing isn't proof of anything other than sometimes humans can be complete asses.

 

[tfk]

That horse shoe shaped beam...I don't believe there is anyway to explain that except that the temperatures got very hot. Hotter then what would be possible with jet fuel and a normal office fire.

Wrong.

250°C. Well below "fire temperatures".

You don't know what creep is, do you?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

WTC 7. Give up this is a building as you and others put it "everyone" knew was going to come down. Yet NIST (the experts) were baffled to explain it for years, and when they do...it has way to many holes for me to mention. Go here he does a good of explaining it.

So the ability to know something is going to fail is the same as that know why its failed?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3mclp9QmCGs

Do you think they should have kept letting traffic drive across because they did not know why it was failing?

 

[tfk]

Watch the video..two guys that appear to be very knowledgeable comment on it.

Yeah, they are so knowledgeable that one of them says, "it bent like this without a single crack"...
... while his hand is resting on a rather large crack on the inner surface.

The other one is so expert that he comments that he would especially expect to see damage on the outside of the beam ...
... when most engineers who work on bending & forming of metals (like me) know that, in extreme bending, the inner surface of the beam undergoes considerably higher stress than the outer fiber.

Yeah, they sure sound knowledgeable ...
... to you.

Are you getting the picture yet?
YOU ARE UNQUALIFIED TO JUDGE WHO TO BELIEVE.

 

[tfk]

Sad...really sad actually... knowledgeable people telling you how hot it would have to be, and all you can do is make jokes.

You aren't "knowledgeable".

You aren't knowledgeable enough to judge who else is "knowledgeable".