Reasonable doubt...All truthers(and whoever esle) please read

[dafydd]

Can you tell me why the video, at 4:30, shows his quote as being "A little river of steel, flowing", leaving out the word "like" just before that?

If I said a tornado sounded LIKE a freight train, did I mean there was actually a freight train involved or was I just likening my experience to something to get my point across?

tmd2_1,when Niel Young sang 'Like A Hurricane' do you think that he was actually referring to a real hurricane or something that reminded him of a hurricane? Take your time. If you've never heard of Niel Young then ask your parents about him.

 

[Dave Rogers]

Terrific reasoning..the guy who easily proved you can cut steel beams vertically and horizontally, which was the battle cry for you guys for many years, is an idiot?

Yep. If he's basing a theory on an impossibility, then he's an idiot.

Dave

 

[MikeW]

Great have them officially say something to that affect, or release it officially. They said what they said, it's not my fault.

Why? The "no hard evidence" comment wasn't released "officially".

I note who said it here, Betsy Glick of the FBI. Call them. Verify it.

Or tell me why it is that you'll cling on to the Ed Haas story, while ignoring this. Other than it's what you desperately want to believe.

ETA: Actually, if you want an official FBI comment on the guilt of bin Laden, try this:

Dale L. Watson, FBI Executive Assistant Director, Counterterrorism/Counterintelligence Division, talking to a Senate committee in 2003
...as the events of September 11 demonstrated with horrible clarity, the United States also confronts serious challenges from international terrorists. The transnational Al-Qaeda terrorist network headed by Usama Bin Laden has clearly emerged as the most urgent threat to U.S. interests. The evidence linking Al-Qaeda and Bin Laden to the attacks of September 11 is clear and irrefutable.
http://classic-web.archive.org/web/....fbi.gov/congress/congress02/watson020602.htm

As for Ed Haas, keep in mind that he later came to believe that the so-called "fatty" bin Laden confession tape was genuine, and therefore is evidence of his guilt. If you think Haas is a reputable source then I guess you'll accept that - right?

 

[TSR]

Listen, the passport is a non issue in terms of my initial thread.

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One might wonder why *you* introduced the topic, then...
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According to experts on both sides, you can look through threads here...molten steel will cast serious doubts to the official story.

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No, it *might*, if any had been shown to exist. Got any of that, you know, evidence thingy to show that it did.

And no, people with no expertise in metallurgy assuming that the molten metal was steel is not evidence of anything but their assumptions.
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As it shouldn't have gotten hot enough to melt steel. Don't take my word for it, go look through other threads on this site.

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Good thing, then, that no steel was found to have melted, hmmmn?
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[Reactor drone]

Show me one picture of the cladding panels melting at all?

Gage...etc....was it verified at the time by someone I don't know. It looks like molten steel, those look like beams..what else could it be?

They are completely the wrong size and shape to be steel components from the WTC. The majority of the outer wall columns and core columns were 3 storeys high, these are all 1 storey high, or about 12ft. They are also clearly shaped like this [, rather than [] ot I, and havevery thin walls meaning they can only be aluminium cladding panels. There's no evidence that they're melting, as you claim, in that photo. It's most likely scattered debris fires around the panels.

If you can't tell the difference between solid steel and aluminium I'm not sure how you can claim to be able to see the difference between molten steel and aluminium.

 

[Animal]

Why not release them? Also i'm still waiting for an answer on how oxygen restriction keeps a fire going.

Why not release them?

A) Because the tapes were from non government entities and therefore cannot be released unless authorized by those entities or were used in as evidence which would make them public.

B) The tapes from government entities do not show any information regarding the crash and are not subject to the FOIA request and would compromise security by revealing camera locations etc.

The pentagon is 6,500,000 sq ft on 280 acres of land. Do the math regarding your 84 cameras' average coverage area.

Regarding oxygen restriction and fire, it happens all the time...google Centralia Pa.

 

[Animal]

I'm the delusional one? .

Yes.


That was simple enough

 

[dafydd]

I'm the delusional one?

Yes. Ask us a hard question.

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Can you describe how to get water on drywall buried 80 feet under a pile of rubble?

and that is so hot the water would just evaporate even if it got that far

 

[sheeplesnshills]

understandable. The average mental age of truthers is fourteen.

ftfy

 

[sheeplesnshills]

This is a skit from 'Family Guy'. In this Lois always makes me think of you guys. Background: Patrick has been accused of being the fat guy strangler..

'' Brian and Lois enter Patrick's room, photos of himself strangling fat people are covering the walls].
Lois Griffin: So he has a few pictures of him strangling fat guys, that doesn't make him the fat guy strangler!
Brian Griffin: [runs over to the bed, lifts up the sheet] Oh yeah, What about the dead fat guy under his bed?
Lois Griffin: Coincidence?
Brian Griffin: What about the half-dead fat guy in the corner?
Half-dead Fat Guy: Patrick tried to kill me.
Lois Griffin: Well, maybe it's a different Patrick.''

lol

Irony meter explodes.......

 

[tmd2_1]

Why? The "no hard evidence" comment wasn't released "officially".

I note who said it here, Betsy Glick of the FBI. Call them. Verify it.

Or tell me why it is that you'll cling on to the Ed Haas story, while ignoring this. Other than it's what you desperately want to believe.

ETA: Actually, if you want an official FBI comment on the guilt of bin Laden, try this:



As for Ed Haas, keep in mind that he later came to believe that the so-called "fatty" bin Laden confession tape was genuine, and therefore is evidence of his guilt. If you think Haas is a reputable source then I guess you'll accept that - right?

Your own link said....Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI....do you really think they would say he said it...if he didn't? And if they did, I'm sure the FBI would take action against them.

As for what Haas really believes how is that at all relevant? If anything it only strengthens the authenticity that what he said of Tomb is true. If he believes the official story why would he lie about something to make it look bad? In regards to the confession tape, have a look at these.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/...-supreme-leader-mullah-mohammed-omar?_s=PM:US


http://www.serendipity.li/wot/obl_int.htm

Bin laden denying responsibility and emphatically....why the sudden change of heart a month later? Do you not think if he wanted to get his message out, it would have been a good idea to tell the people interviewing him? But he decides to make a tape for no apparent reason, and it is found just lying around in a house in Afghanistan.

 

[tmd2_1]

They are completely the wrong size and shape to be steel components from the WTC. The majority of the outer wall columns and core columns were 3 storeys high, these are all 1 storey high, or about 12ft. They are also clearly shaped like this [, rather than [] ot I, and havevery thin walls meaning they can only be aluminium cladding panels. There's no evidence that they're melting, as you claim, in that photo. It's most likely scattered debris fires around the panels.

If you can't tell the difference between solid steel and aluminium I'm not sure how you can claim to be able to see the difference between molten steel and aluminium.

Show me one report or picture of cladding melting? Just one...I would like to compare it.

 

[dafydd]

Your own link said....Rex Tomb, Chief of Investigative Publicity for the FBI....do you really think they would say he said it...if he didn't? And if they did, I'm sure the FBI would take action against them.

As for what Haas really believes how is that at all relevant? If anything it only strengthens the authenticity that what he said of Tomb is true. If he believes the official story why would he lie about something to make it look bad? In regards to the confession tape, have a look at these.

http://articles.cnn.com/2001-09-16/...-supreme-leader-mullah-mohammed-omar?_s=PM:US


http://www.serendipity.li/wot/obl_int.htm

Bin laden denying responsibility and emphatically....why the sudden change of heart a month later? Do you not think if he wanted to get his message out, it would have been a good idea to tell the people interviewing him? But he decides to make a tape for no apparent reason, and it is found just lying around in a house in Afghanistan.

When did you develop this mania for posting links? Can't you speak for yourself?

 

[Sceptic-PK]

Bin laden denying responsibility and emphatically....why the sudden change of heart a month later? Do you not think if he wanted to get his message out, it would have been a good idea to tell the people interviewing him? But he decides to make a tape for no apparent reason, and it is found just lying around in a house in Afghanistan.

Clearly you didn’t understand the political situation in Afghanistan at the time (I doubt you were even 10 years old) or the fact that Bin Laden has often denied attacks that he had a hand in. Once the cat was out of the bag and the invasion of Afghanistan had begun, he had no qualms admitting responsibility (as did KSM and all the cronies). You are using your own ignorance and incredulity to cast doubt when there is absolutely none.

 

[TJM]

Bin laden denying responsibility and emphatically....

Mere speculation on my part:

Because he was a lying, murderous, terrorist scumbag.

why the sudden change of heart a month later?

Maybe because he realized there was now a very angry American army sent into Afghanistan to hunt him down, regardless of his denial of involvement. It would make sense that at that point to put as many jihadis as possible between the him and the Americans.

Do you not think if he wanted to get his message out, it would have been a good idea to tell the people interviewing him?

That wasn't his strategy at the time.

But he decides to make a tape for no apparent reason, and it is found just lying around in a house in Afghanistan.

So?

 

[tmd2_1]

Clearly you didn’t understand the political situation in Afghanistan at the time (I doubt you were even 10 years old) or the fact that Bin Laden has often denied attacks that he had a hand in. Once the cat was out of the bag and the invasion of Afghanistan had begun, he had no qualms admitting responsibility (as did KSM and all the cronies). You are using your own ignorance and incredulity to cast doubt when there is absolutely none.

He was blamed from day one...and your reasoning makes no sense. It's not like he "admitted" it publicly it was just found lying around the house.

 

[tmd2_1]

Final post on Leslie Robertson admitting Molten steel:

I think what I'm about to say will sum it up.

I have seen some absurd things here...but to say Leslie Robinson was using like in a comparison way..has to take the cake. I mean number one when was the last time you ever heard anyone compare anything to a little river of steel? It just doesn't happen. It's beyond laughable. Number 2 look before and after he says it...he makes no comparison to anything. Nothing at all I mean how can you say he is making a comparison, when he doesn't compare it to anything?
What could the fireman have been calling him over to see? A little river of water? I mean there was a lot of it you know the millions of gallons of water that were dumped on it, but still couldn't out the fires out Something tells me he wouldn't have gotten that excited.

It was clear...he was saying something to the affect, that, I entered the the room, and then there was like a big explosion. I was driving along and a car like came out of no where. To suggest anything else is beyond absurd. It just shows the lengths you guys will go. If this wasn't such a
series subject...it would be hilarious...as it is now it's just sad. Sad that there are people out there that would go to these lengths to defend the official story.

 

[tmd2_1]

When did you develop this mania for posting links? Can't you speak for yourself?

I'm sorry I forgot you guys don't like documentation here. You're evidence is "twoofers" dumb official story must be true government told me so. "twoofers" are delusional...they have to be..official story is true. See I have all the documentation you guys present right there.

Next time I'll just make sure to make up lies, clear bold faced ones at that, much the same way you did.

 

[Dayan81]

I'm sorry I forgot you guys don't like documentation here. You're evidence is "twoofers" dumb official story must be true government told me so. "twoofers" are delusional...they have to be..official story is true. See I have all the documentation you guys present right there.

Next time I'll just make sure to make up lies, clear bold faced ones at that, much the same way you did.

Are you familiar with the concept of the strawman argument?