Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[NoahFence]

LOL @ "black smoke"

 

[dafydd]

the fire wasn't hot? what planes? you mean the movie projector planes that Hollywood produced going into the towers....they even got the skyline wrong on one of their fake shots!!! black smoke coming out of a building = a cold fine...no O2 = black smoke...no o2 = cold fire not hot enough to burn or weaken any of the steel in the towers!!! none! Smart people who care about their country are not going to shut up until we die...in my care at least another 70 years....so if I were you I would quit wasting your time trying to sell the Official story...as it has way too many holes in it!

Next Xmas ask Santa for a punctuation set.

 

[NoahFence]

Hang on, hang on, hang on!

One claim in your post really stands out.

We're suppose to be getting paid for this????

Not one of you could tell me that?

No memo, no PM's...not even a paper airplane with a dollar bill taped to it???

Can I back charge?

Please don't tell me you never got your orders!?!

The second you graduated from schill school you should have been given them along with your diploma!

Call the headmaster.

 

[twinstead]

I want to see where They^tm got the skyline wrong in one of their fake shots.

 

[NoahFence]

I'll be meeting Geoff Tate on Saturday.....

 

[dafydd]

I want to see where They^tm got the skyline wrong in one of their fake shots.

You never will,not unless it's a Photoshop truther fake,but they never would do anything like that,would they?

 

[dafydd]

Hang on, hang on, hang on!

One claim in your post really stands out.

We're suppose to be getting paid for this????

Not one of you could tell me that?

No memo, no PM's...not even a paper airplane with a dollar bill taped to it???

Can I back charge?

Send a chit for back pay to your local NWO area controller. Leave it in the usual place,behind the water pipes in the mens restroom at the train station.Mention me,the North Flanders Disinfo Department Assistant-In Chief. You'll be ok.

 

[beachnut]

... THE WORLD TRADE CENTER was built and designed to withstand the impact of a jumbo jet. That includes the Boeing models 747,757,767,777.

...

WTC tower, TOWER, was designed to resist an impact from a 707, low on fuel, lost in the fog, going 180 mph.

180 mph designed impact speed.

Flt 11, 470 knots impact speed
Flt 175, 590 mph impact speed

What you don't know is physics. E=1/2mv²
Velocity square, something you don't understand exposed by your idiotic claim of the towers, which you enlarged to the entire complex, would withstand the impact of a jumbo jet (707 not a jumbo jet). The Towers did withstand the impact of the planes, but failed in fire, like you failed due to lack of evidence and no knowledge.

You are evidence free, and can't do physics. The two pieces of ignorance that make you unable to see you are spreading moronic nonsense on a grand scale.

 

[Cl1mh4224rd]

In this video note the way the Naudet brother gets WTC2 pretty much centre screen .

Nope. He had both towers centered. I suppose that might qualify as WTC2 being "pretty much center", but the towers as a pair are very iconic; it's rare that people focus on just one of them. And the contrast between the damaged and undamaged towers is a compelling shot for a filmmaker.

Even when the jet starts to roar behind and above him he is not distracted from his rapt filming of the blank undamaged but momentarily to be struck face of WTC2.He is apparently deaf, very brave and dedicated or knew that the plane was coming.

Or he decided to look around with his own eyes. These cameras aren't surgically attached to the person's face, you know?

Watch the camera suddenly go rock-steady to catch the critical moments.

Actually, while there is a window of increased stability in the seconds prior to the impact, immediately prior to the impact, the camera begins shaking again. If he were there to document the "critical moment" of impact, he did a poor job.

 

[dafydd]

I'll be meeting Geoff Tate on Saturday.....

Believe it or not,I've never heard of Geoff Tate.

 

[DeathDart]

What questions?

Releasing the pentagon tapes would stop a lot of the truther nonsense related to the Pentagon.

Why did Pasquale D'amuro allow the steel to be removed?

Why did Michael V.Hayden shut down the monitoring of the terrorists? This man is NOT a civil rights advocate. Question him under oath and under a polygraph.

Why did Louis Freeh Director of the FBI quit, with 3 years left on his ten year term?

This left an acting Director Thomas J. Pickard at the helm before 9-11 June 25, 2001 – September 4, 2001. An acting director, who John Ashcroft could blow off.

Why does Dale Watson Assistant Director suddenly stop listening to people? He gets warnings from Rowley, and John P. O'Neill.

Robert S. Mueller gets there with 1 week to go, so you can't blame him, can you?

Robert S. Mueller is there to exude the American authority of the SUIT. He can protect all the people so that their screw ups won't get them in front of independent Grand Jury.

Why did the DOJ allow the FBI to screw up so much? The DOJ is the FBI's boss and they are so pleased with the screw ups, that they rewarded everybody. Well not everybody, John P. O'neill dies at WTC, Rowley is harassed out of the FBI.

The incompetence alibi can only be stretched so far.

 

[NoahFence]

Queensryche

 

[NoahFence]

Releasing the pentagon tapes would stop a lot of the truther nonsense related to the Pentagon.

All relevant tapes have been seen. Idiot truthers hell bent on remaining ignorant isn't very high on the FBI's priority list of things to do.

Why did Pasquale D'amuro allow the steel to be removed?

Recovery. Were you expecting it to sit there burying almost 3,000 people indefinately?

Why did Louis Freeh Director of the FBI quit, with 3 years left on his ten year term?

In June 2001, he resigned amid criticism that the FBI needed stronger leadership, particularly after allegations of spying by Robert Hanssen. Upon his resignation, he was praised by Attorney General John Ashcroft, who called him "a model law enforcement officer".[31] He was replaced by Thomas J. Pickard who served for 71 days, who was in turn replaced by Robert Mueller.

This left an acting Director Thomas J. Pickard at the helm before 9-11 June 25, 2001 – September 4, 2001. An acting director, who John Ashcroft could blow off.

That wasn't a question.


Here's a thought - if you have questions for the FBI, ask them.

fbi.gov

 

[DeathDart]

WTC tower, TOWER, was designed to resist an impact from a 707, low on fuel, lost in the fog, going 180 mph.

180 mph designed impact speed.

Flt 11, 470 knots impact speed
Flt 175, 590 mph impact speed

What you don't know is physics. E=1/2mv²
Velocity square, something you don't understand exposed by your idiotic claim of the towers, which you enlarged to the entire complex, would withstand the impact of a jumbo jet (707 not a jumbo jet). The Towers did withstand the impact of the planes, but failed in fire, like you failed due to lack of evidence and no knowledge.

You are evidence free, and can't do physics. The two pieces of ignorance that make you unable to see you are spreading moronic nonsense on a grand scale.

Sorry, I moved the discussion to a more important part of the conspiracy. You are arguing with yourself. Now you see why they destroyed what probably wasn't even evidence of a crime. You are drawn to an irrelevant part of the conspiracy. THE WTC site is a total dead end, just as they intended it to be.

 

[Craig4]

Sorry, I moved the discussion to a more important part of the conspiracy. You are arguing with yourself. Now you see why they destroyed what probably wasn't even evidence of a crime. You are drawn to an irrelevant part of the conspiracy. THE WTC site is a total dead end, just as they intended it to be.

Or to put it another way you wanted to talk about something where the math wasn't so complicated. Got it.

 

[WildCat]

Truthers don't do evidence and proving things.

Nope, they run away like a schoolgirl from a spider when asked for evidence.

Just like tmd2_1 did.

 

[beachnut]

See post number 5 and the numerous posts I made that day...I feel no need to post on this forum anymore....you have been exposed for what you really are.

Wow, and what was post 5, the standard 911 truth manifesto

Hi,
... the upper echelon of the Bush administration planned what happened at the pentagon.

Blame Bush apologize for 19 murderers who really did 911. Standard 911 truth zero evidence approach.

Having war game scenarios and test hijackings etc...

Yes, plan to have war games going so you have more military staff available. Not a good plan. This is false logic. More experienced military are on hand during war games to evaluate the actions and ideas. ... why is 911 truth logic back-wards?

this way it would confuse those who might normally intercept such a hijacking. Hence Norman Mineta's testimony.

Normally intercept hijacking? What a bunch of standard 911 truth nonsense.

The Zionist/elites...whatever ...

Blame Jews, standard 911 truth stuff.

They took advantage of what they knew would be a very confusing time for those who would normally intercept the plane and struck. In regards to how it was "screwed" up...it was really quite the opposite.

Rinse and repeat.

I believe the 4th plane was headed for building 7...the two towers had to fall to get a clear shot at it.

Was that why the last plane was headed for DC? Do you try to check the facts before rolling out your fantasy?

But our fighters were able to scramble and the plane was shot down.

Flt 93 was not shot down. No missiles or guns were used from fighters on 911. Standard 911 truth debunked junk.

Obviously Larry Silverstein would be apart of the plot to take the towers down...

? delusional statement

while using the pentagon in essence as "cover". The first question you have...I'm not sure if this is a suitable answer, but could not the explosives have been planted below the impact zone? Even if they were at the impact zone it would only cause a greater explosion, and perhaps the building to drop earlier...,

How would you know the impact zone before the impact?

thermite cutter charges are the most likely thing to have been used, and it would not matter if some went off early.

No thermite products found on the steel. You are short evidence, will declare victory, luck and disappear into 911 truth heaven, were all delusions come true.

Bye

 

[DeathDart]

All relevant tapes have been seen. Idiot truthers hell bent on remaining ignorant isn't very high on the FBI's priority list of things to do.

Recovery. Were you expecting it to sit there burying almost 3,000 people indefinately?
That wasn't a question.

Here's a thought - if you have questions for the FBI, ask them.

fbi.gov

I have talked to them directly. It was a one way conversation.

I wrote my Senator. No help there. You see back then I though this was a lot simpler.
My Senator is a Koch Roach. There were a lot of head fakes that I would misinterpret as something actually happening.

Recent examples of head fakes.

The Koch Brothers Prune Their Tree of the Indictable
to Grow
A Stronger Tree of Corruption.​

A lot of the Senators and Congressman who are not running for reelection again, were TOLD that they could not run again.

Some of these may have genuinely chosen not to run. But from the evidence trail out on the Web, the Koch's are getting rid of their soiled 3G Senators and Congressman and buying new ones (with Citizens United) to replace them. Soiled meaning they can be indicted with the paper trail leading back to Koch and AIPAC.

They don't want their soiled members rubbing up against all their new, squeaky clean, traitors in the House and Senate. Some of these may be simple blackmail victims. The next generation of 4G Congressman and Senators will think that all of the corruption around them, is perfectly normal.

Some of these may have been Koch'ed
Kent Conrad Democrat Jan 18 2011 North Dakota
John Ensign Republican Mar 7 2011 Nevada
Kay Bailey Hutchison Republican Jan 13 2011 Texas
Herb Kohl Democrat May 13 2011 Wisconsin
Jon Kyl Republican Feb 10 2011 Arizona
Joe Lieberman Independent Jan 18 2011 New Hampshire

Dan Boren Democrat June 7 2011 Oklahoma
Jane Harman Democrat Feb 7 2011 California

 

[Craig4]

Releasing the pentagon tapes would stop a lot of the truther nonsense related to the Pentagon.

Why did Pasquale D'amuro allow the steel to be removed?

Why did Michael V.Hayden shut down the monitoring of the terrorists? This man is NOT a civil rights advocate. Question him under oath and under a polygraph.

Why did Louis Freeh Director of the FBI quit, with 3 years left on his ten year term?

This left an acting Director Thomas J. Pickard at the helm before 9-11 June 25, 2001 – September 4, 2001. An acting director, who John Ashcroft could blow off.

Why does Dale Watson Assistant Director suddenly stop listening to people? He gets warnings from Rowley, and John P. O'Neill.

Robert S. Mueller gets there with 1 week to go, so you can't blame him, can you?

Robert S. Mueller is there to exude the American authority of the SUIT. He can protect all the people so that their screw ups won't get them in front of independent Grand Jury.

Why did the DOJ allow the FBI to screw up so much? The DOJ is the FBI's boss and they are so pleased with the screw ups, that they rewarded everybody. Well not everybody, John P. O'neill dies at WTC, Rowley is harassed out of the FBI.

The incompetence alibi can only be stretched so far.

Why did Louis Freeh quit? You have evidence it was connected to 9/11? What is it?

You actually may have hit on something useful here. There is value in looking at institutional issues related to 9/11 and how things could have been done better. Of course exploring those issues will have to be left to other people since the rest of your "work" puts you squarely in the crank lobby. Cranks get ignored so you ranting about Rowley won't impact anything.

 

[TJM]

I have talked to them directly. It was a one way conversation.

I wrote my Senator. No help there. You see back then I though this was a lot simpler.
My Senator is a Koch Roach. There were a lot of head fakes that I would misinterpret as something actually happening.

Recent examples of head fakes.

The Koch Brothers Prune Their Tree of the Indictable
to Grow
A Stronger Tree of Corruption.​

A lot of the Senators and Congressman who are not running for reelection again, were TOLD that they could not run again.

Some of these may have genuinely chosen not to run. But from the evidence trail out on the Web, the Koch's are getting rid of their soiled 3G Senators and Congressman and buying new ones (with Citizens United) to replace them. Soiled meaning they can be indicted with the paper trail leading back to Koch and AIPAC.

They don't want their soiled members rubbing up against all their new, squeaky clean, traitors in the House and Senate. Some of these may be simple blackmail victims. The next generation of 4G Congressman and Senators will think that all of the corruption around them, is perfectly normal.

Some of these may have been Koch'ed
Kent Conrad Democrat Jan 18 2011 North Dakota
John Ensign Republican Mar 7 2011 Nevada
Kay Bailey Hutchison Republican Jan 13 2011 Texas
Herb Kohl Democrat May 13 2011 Wisconsin
Jon Kyl Republican Feb 10 2011 Arizona
Joe Lieberman Independent Jan 18 2011 New Hampshire

Dan Boren Democrat June 7 2011 Oklahoma
Jane Harman Democrat Feb 7 2011 California

While that's well and good, I should remind the readers that 4G government is not available in most major cities and your 4G elected official will operate at 3G speeds until infrastructure upgrades are completed.