God without The Bible – Challenge to Theists

dynasty said:
Evolution. I accept that evolution is right . . .

. . . Evolution there really is no natural necessity for it in the way the universe was made.
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Are you saying evolution is a design mistake?

dynasty said:
Signs (for me) point to some kind of designer. I said before, i see god more in the unknown.
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You think it's a good idea to reach conclusions from what you don't know rather than what you do?
 
Are you saying evolution is a design mistake?
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No, i still think of god as a tinkerer, was it you who said my idea was "god of hindsight"

You think it's a good idea to reach conclusions from what you don't know rather than what you do?
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no, its horrible science. I should be ashamed of myself, i know this. But its my belief, and I may be just trying to rationalize them.
 
dynasty said:
Evolution. I accept that evolution is right, but there are a couple things in evolution i don't get. Possibly just ignorance on my behalf, but I've tried to find answers via research, and haven't found anything that popped out. I don't understand the jump from asexual reproduction to sexual reproduction. asexual reproduction is a far more efficient means of reproduction, evolutionary jump to sexual reproduction would be a step backwards.
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This was recently discovered. Sexual reproduction provides a wider variety of genetic material in the offspring. This is beneficial because certain harmful agents (I think viruses) that affect a given range of DNA will more likely cause extinction amongst a species with little variation.

I'm not going to bother looking up links because I have no idea how this is relevant to the OP. Even taken as a given that every single thing science tells us is wrong, from evolution to the water cycle, it doesn't mean God is real.
 
I Am The Scum said:
This was recently discovered. Sexual reproduction provides a wider variety of genetic material in the offspring. This is beneficial because certain harmful agents (I think viruses) that affect a given range of DNA will more likely cause extinction amongst a species with little variation.

I'm not going to bother looking up links because I have no idea how this is relevant to the OP. Even taken as a given that every single thing science tells us is wrong, from evolution to the water cycle, it doesn't mean God is real.
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yeah i have seen that. what i don't get is the first generation, so this asexual creature splits into 2 sexual creatures, wouldn't they both be the same sex. evolution doesn't take place on a large scale, so 1 or 2 out of millions change to sexual, i just don't get how it caught on so well,,, almost everything has sex now
 
dynasty said:
No, i still think of god as a tinkerer, was it you who said my idea was "god of hindsight"
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Not me but I remember reading it. There's something wrong with "god the tinkerer" but I can't explain it right now. Seems to be the opposite of what a god is normally claimed to be.

dynasty said:
no, its horrible science sense. I should be ashamed of myself, i know this. But its my belief, and I may be just trying to rationalize them.
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Fixed that for you. ;)

At least you're continuing to be honest. Some start that way then lose it. Hope you don't.
 
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dynasty:

What is your running assumption here? What is the link between something you cannot account for and the existence of a deity?
 
dynasty said:
yeah i have seen that. what i don't get is the first generation, so this asexual creature splits into 2 sexual creatures, wouldn't they both be the same sex. evolution doesn't take place on a large scale, so 1 or 2 out of millions change to sexual, i just don't get how it caught on so well,,, almost everything has sex now
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Where did the female come from for Cain and Abel to mate with?

Perhaps god is a sexual voyeur.:eye-poppi
 
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yy2bggggs said:
dynasty:

What is your running assumption here? What is the link between something you cannot account for and the existence of a deity?
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Its not 1 thing i cannot account for. Its the multitude of things not only i cannot account for, but people much smarter than i cannot either.
 
ynot said:
Where did the female come from for Cain and Abel to mate with?
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i believe biblically it would have to be an incestuous relations with either their mother, or sisters. but i thought we weren't using the bible
 
dynasty said:
Its not 1 thing i cannot account for. Its the multitude of things not only i cannot account for, but people much smarter than i cannot either.
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I think there's a disconnect here. You seem to be assuring me that it really cannot be accounted for, but that is not what I'm asking.

I'm asking what the link is between the existence, or length, of such lists, and the existence of a deity. You seemed to have simply listed things you believe we cannot account for; I could pick on the list, but it's kind of beside the point to do so, since I could just as easily come up with a list at least as long.
 
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dynasty said:
i wanna know now, what is your proof, if you call it a hunch, and you say your not a gambler, sounds to me like you have absolute proof. If you have it, please let me know, would help me out a lot :)
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Hey aren't you on the wrong side of the fence? :D
 
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