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Unless I'm mistaken, that would be the same series of videos that claimed to debunk the burning of bodies in pits by hastily constructing a camp-fire in a hole and concluding it was impossible based on that fact alone, right?

Wrong. It's a series of videos of which one of them demonstrates how unrealistic body disposal at the AR camps would be by simulating the process using the leg of a lamb on a beach somewhere along the California coast. It's not a perfect demonstration because lambs aren't people and the snow and frozen earth of the Polish outback in the winter won't be found along a California beach any time of the year. Denierbud also cheated by not using fresh cut wood as a fuel source, IIRC.

It's an interesting demonstration for somebody who has never seen meat cooked on an open flame. However, anybody can demonstrate the absurdity of body disposal at the AR camps by holding a steak over a backyard BBQ until it catches fire and then remove it from the flames and see how long it continues burning on its own.
 
hate to but in here late, but does anybody actually believe the holocaust didn't take place?

Quite a few people know that the holohoax did not happen. But that's just half of the story, the actual history of what happened or didn't happen to the Jews during WW II. The other half is the construction of the hoax, the Jews were lying about a holocaust of six million Jews starting in 1906 !

http://thy-weapon-of-war.blogspot.com/2010/01/ny-times-reports-in-1906-that-russias.html

They amped up the lies during WW ONE.

http://www.codoh.com/incon/incrucifix.html

See also the book "The First Holohoax, Jewish Fund Raising Campaigns with Holohoax Claims During WW I" by Don Heddesheimer.

And opened the floodgates in WW II. See the book "The Hoax of the Twentieth Century" by Northwester Prof Arthur Butz. The whole scheme is laid bare.
 
I read on some genealogy website that the three most popular "Jewish" surnames in the United States are Cohen, Levy, and Miller. And there was a "Rosenberg" among the Nuremberg defendants. You can't really judge a person's Jewishness by their name.

Miller? That reminds me, I had (briefly to my regret) a girlfriend named Cohen once. Was she a Jew? Yep, former soldier in the Israeli army ! Ah, youth !
 
It's an interesting demonstration for somebody who has never seen meat cooked on an open flame. However, anybody can demonstrate the absurdity of body disposal at the AR camps by holding a steak over a backyard BBQ until it catches fire and then remove it from the flames and see how long it continues burning on its own.

How often do you use gasoline or kerosene at such a BBQ?
 
And opened the floodgates in WW II. See the book "The Hoax of the Twentieth Century" by Northwester Prof Arthur Butz. The whole scheme is laid bare.


You seem to forget that that book was ripped to shreds earlier in this very thread.

Your attempted rehabilitation of the Nazi regime is doomed to failure. Even setting aside the Holocaust the Third Reich was a despicable, vile entity.
 
hate to but in here late, but does anybody actually believe the holocaust didn't take place?

No. Nobody denies the holocaust. Holocaust denier is a term used by people who don't understand the difference between 'it didn't happen' and 'some of it didn't happen.'
 
No. Nobody denies the holocaust. Holocaust denier is a term used by people who don't understand the difference between 'it didn't happen' and 'some of it didn't happen.'

It's good to know that you really do believe that there was a systematic murder of European Jewry in Europe during WWII by Nazi Germany involving gas chambers. What strikes me as odd is that you keep asserting this, but you also keep arguing against it. It makes you come off slightly disturbed.
 
How often do you use gasoline or kerosene at such a BBQ?

Not really important. Lighter fluid serves the same purpose for a backyard BBQ that gasoline or kerosene or other mysterious flammable substances served for the Germans--to get the fire started. Once the fire got going, all the Germans did was add dead fat chicks to the pyre to keep the fire going.

Continually dumping more gasoline or kerosene on top of the pile of burning bodies would keep the fire going but that isn't what the survivors describe as happening.

For the AR camps to have been able to reduce the bodies to ash in the way the survivors describe, naked human bodies need to be able to burn on their own. Naked bodies don't burn on their own.

(BTW, this is one of those logistical problems that you need to ignore to believe the traditional history)
 
The main problem with Denierbuds experiment is scale. trying to burn fresh wood on a small campfire is nearly impossible without using a lot of gasoline or other flammable fluid. a huge pyre though swallows it without problem. Think wildfires. If a fire is big and hot enough it will consume and even combust about anything.
 
. . . the actual history of what happened or didn't happen to the Jews during WW II. The other half is the construction of the hoax, the Jews were lying about a holocaust of six million Jews starting in 1906 ! . . .
So it is argued that "the Jews" constructed a set of lies, called "the hoax" and which promote longstanding Jewish lies about persecution and mass murder. Given the prevalence of the terms "hoax" and "holohoax," then, it should be very simple and quick for Saggy to summarize the history of the creation of this set of lies about German crimes during WWII.

That means laying out for members of this forum, first, the sequence of events, the main participants, the actions they undertook, and their chief creations in constructing the hoax--who created it, when, how, and where can we see their products? Since Saggy has already explained that "the Jews" created the hoax, he will relate the story of how "the Jews" accomplished this--naming names, showing how leaders and participants orchestrated the work of hoax generation, demonstrating how the lead Jews spoke for "the Jews," and tracing all this across decades.

And, second, it means offering up evidence--and unlike deniers we won't insist on forensic proofs but will accept eyewitness testimony, documents, confessions, court transcripts, publications, meeting notes, photographs, memoirs, interviews, and other kinds of evidence typically used to construct historical narratives. This means using evidence to show who lied and how, what forgeries were created and by whom and when, when and where was torture responsible for supporting the lies that characterize the hoax, etc.

A proper history. In brief. Because that is what Saggy will be doing--sharing with us his reconstruction of how the hoax was developed and put across, dealing with the hoax creation like any other historical event, and supporting this narrative with evidence.

Thanks in advance. I have always wanted to read "the history of hoaxing."
 
No. Nobody denies the holocaust. Holocaust denier is a term used by people who don't understand the difference between 'it didn't happen' and 'some of it didn't happen.'
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Dog, there are plenty of people who deny the holohoax. But that's just half of it, that saying that the official history of the Jews in WW II is false. That's all it takes to deny the holohoax.

But there's more, there is identifying the systematic, massive, worldwide propaganda campaign that dominates the major media, governments, politics, etc., from the end of WW II to this day. This is what Butz describes in 'The Hoax of the Twentieth Century.

That is to say, it's not just about the history of WW II, its also about the ongoing Jewish hoax, which you can read everyday in the media. Or you can see right here with our very own contingent of Zionist hoaxters.

You want to see today's edition of the hoax ..... check it out ..

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2011/07/19/nazi-doctor-josef-mengele-s-diary-to-be-auctioned-off.html
 
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I didn't scroll back so I thought "here" meant in this forum, and that the Van Pelt discussion was an example. I agree -- he lied about me, but not in the Van Pelt post. Apologies for going off topic.

No, he lied about other stuff in the Van Pelt post.

To Dogzilla, I see that Saggy has contested your assertion that nobody denies the holocaust. Want to revise your statement?
 
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So it is argued that "the Jews" constructed a set of lies, called "the hoax" and which promote longstanding Jewish lies about persecution and mass murder. Given the prevalence of the terms "hoax" and "holohoax," then, it should be very simple and quick for Saggy to summarize the history of the creation of this set of lies about German crimes during WWII.

That means laying out for members of this forum, first, the sequence of events, the main participants, the actions they undertook, and their chief creations in constructing the hoax--who created it, when, how, and where can we see their products? Since Saggy has already explained that "the Jews" created the hoax, he will relate the story of how "the Jews" accomplished this--naming names, showing how leaders and participants orchestrated the work of hoax generation, demonstrating how the lead Jews spoke for "the Jews," and tracing all this across decades.

And, second, it means offering up evidence--and unlike deniers we won't insist on forensic proofs but will accept eyewitness testimony, documents, confessions, court transcripts, publications, meeting notes, photographs, memoirs, interviews, and other kinds of evidence typically used to construct historical narratives. This means using evidence to show who lied and how, what forgeries were created and by whom and when, when and where was torture responsible for supporting the lies that characterize the hoax, etc.

A proper history. In brief. Because that is what Saggy will be doing--sharing with us his reconstruction of how the hoax was developed and put across, dealing with the hoax creation like any other historical event, and supporting this narrative with evidence.

Thanks in advance. I have always wanted to read "the history of hoaxing."

The hoax part was the lies of a few to punish Germans for taking Jewish people out Germany's social and financial equation. The hoax lies became the new truth of the Holocaust. The purveyors of the Holocaust realized the Holocaust could become a cloak of invulnerability to criticism. Hence the required SCREAMING WHEEL heard in every school in the USA.
 
The hoax part was the lies of a few to punish Germans for taking Jewish people out Germany's social and financial equation. The hoax lies became the new truth of the Holocaust. The purveyors of the Holocaust realized the Holocaust could become a cloak of invulnerability to criticism. Hence the required SCREAMING WHEEL heard in every school in the USA.
I am happy to discuss Holocaust in American public schools but what I asked Saggy to provide you obviously can't: a proper history of how the hoax developed, who was involved, how they did it, when it was done. I did not ask for more assertions of the sort you posted, more repetitions that the hoax is a pack of lies - but an account of who told the lies and how they were spread. With evidence.

As to public education, please explain more about this required "screaming wheel." What are you trying to convey with this emotional rhetoric?
 
I am happy to discuss Holocaust in American public schools but what I asked Saggy to provide you obviously can't: a proper history of how the hoax developed, who was involved, how they did it, when it was done. I did not ask for more assertions of the sort you posted, more repetitions that the hoax is a pack of lies - but an account of who told the lies and how they were spread. With evidence.

As to public education, please explain more about this required "screaming wheel." What are you trying to convey with this emotional rhetoric?

I'm tired of having to dumb down by explaining things like squeaky wheels.
 
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