Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

[brazenlilraisin]

Funny, I see dust being ejected from the ground floor as the entire roof begins to collapse inward, the penthouse going along for the ride. If you watch the rest of the video you'll see a number of demolitions in which penthouses appear to remain intact and attached to the roof as the building begins to collapse.

No gold star this time.

 

[slojoe]

It might be fairly standard procedure for buildings with penthouses. See attached video at about 20 seconds,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sK50So-yYRU

Might be, if it weren't for the fact that six seconds later the building had entirely collapsed. Building 7 was still standing 5/6 seconds after the East penthouse collapse.

I've seen CD's where they took the building down in stages, but never with that kind of delay, and only a roof structure falling.

 

[RedIbis]

What's interesting about your obsession with the east penthouse is you never question why it should crumple like that, and then why the entire building descends as a whole as if into quicksand two seconds later.

I believe the standard response is that it collapsed exactly as expected.

 

[brazenlilraisin]

Yes, it did, in the total absence of any flashes or booms. Just like they said it would.

 

[000063]

Red, can you provide the timestamps for the start and end of the collapse? Ergo seems oddly reluctant to.

 

[triforcharity]

I commented on the video Noah posted, in which the author starts the count 5.8 seconds before the east penthouse collapse.

Yours doesn't make much difference. The collapse of the building as a whole took 7 - 8 secs.

What's interesting about your obsession with the east penthouse is you never question why it should crumple like that, and then why the entire building descends as a whole as if into quicksand two seconds later.

So, the Penthouse was not part of the collapse? Do you think that the penthouse was just like a little shed made of aluminum?

The EMP was as big as your house, and weighed (I'm going with a rouch estimate here) maybe 10,000-20,000 lbs, and it's nothing? Yeah, that's foolish.

 

[grandmastershek]

Maybe our resident truthers can give some basic figures. How many of the following CD's have the following characteristics?

No audible explosions at collapse.
Lead to structural damage to surrounding buildings.
Show signs of structural fatigue hours prior to collapse.

 

[Craig4]

Here's a better video of the WTC 7 controlled demolition.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=972ETepp4GI&NR=1&feature=fvwp

No, it's not. If it had been demolished with explosives there would have been explosive residue. Got any?

 

[Gamolon]

Yours doesn't make much difference. The collapse of the building as a whole took 7 - 8 secs.

What's interesting about your obsession with the east penthouse is you never question why it should crumple like that, and then why the entire building descends as a whole as if into quicksand two seconds later.

Incredible!

Maybe if I enlarge the font, you'll see your contradiction.

First you say the building as a whole collapsed in 7 - 8 seconds. Then you contradict yourself and admit that the penthouse collapsed first, then the rest of the building. If you admit that the penthouse collapsed first and then the rest of the building collapsed next, how is that considered the whole building?

That's misleading is it not?

Tell you what. Answer one simple question. When did WTC7's collapse start? With the penthouse or the facade?

 

[sheeplesnshills]

Psst... Gamolon...whole vs. part. Figured it out yet??

Another Ergo English 101 failure..........."as a whole" has to include the entire collapse not just the bit you happen to want to measure.

The collapse of the north face was not the collapse of the "Whole" building it was just the collapse of that which remained after the collapse that brought down the east penthouse.

Twoofers...getting everything wrong.

 

[ergo]

You need a faster connection.

FYI - the writing was there for you to read. It helps, ya know?

No, dude needs to fix his video. I don't have problems loading 3-minute videos.

His still-frame countdown beginning at 1:39 into the video begins 5 seconds before the east penthouse collapses. How do I know this?? Because at 5.08 seconds, his caption states: "East Penthouse Collapse Begins."

Also, look at the drop in height from his own 13 - 14 secs, and then 14 - 15, 15 - 16... Yikes.

 

[000063]

And the real-time countdown? What are the timestamps on that, as I've asked several times? (I've also already pointed out that he's simply showing the video before the collapse, as well as during it, and you keep pretending he's trying to pull the wool over our eyes.)

In fact, let me make it easier.

Give the timestamp of when the E. Penthouse starts to collapse.
Then give the timestamp of when the bulk of the building starts to collapse.

 

[ergo]

So if part of the building is collapsing, the whole building is collapsing. It's the same building dood.

Missed this.

Get that everyone? If part of the building is collapsing, the whole building is collapsing.

This actually explains a lot in bedunker logic, since in this thread again, we had bedunkers insisting that a piece of a building hitting Fiterman Hall meant the whole building hit Fiterman Hall. I kid you not.

 

[ergo]

And we also have chris mohr trying to say that a chunk of building falling off the Delft building is "like" a global building collapse.

 

[NoahFence]

Missed this.

Get that everyone? If part of the building is collapsing, the whole building is collapsing.

This actually explains a lot in bedunker logic, since in this thread again, we had bedunkers insisting that a piece of a building hitting Fiterman Hall meant the whole building hit Fiterman Hall. I kid you not.

The Penthouse was part of the structure of WTC 7.

When it started collapsing, the entire building started collapsing, because they're connected to each other.

It did NOT start to collapse when WTC 2 started collapsing - see, they're different structures.

The Penthouse on the roof of WTC 7 was not a different structure.

 

[Edx]

Missed this.

Get that everyone? If part of the building is collapsing, the whole building is collapsing.

This actually explains a lot in bedunker logic, since in this thread again, we had bedunkers insisting that a piece of a building hitting Fiterman Hall meant the whole building hit Fiterman Hall. I kid you not.

Was it you that claimed that a massive "piece" was ejected from WTC7 by explosive force in order to explain how WTC7 managed to fall neatly into its own footprint while at the same time still manging to hit a building accross a 4 lane street?

 

[Gamolon]

Tell you what. Answer one simple question. When did WTC7's collapse start? With the penthouse or the facade?

Ergo?

 

[ergo]

Anyway, it's not worth the argument to quibble over a few seconds difference. The point is, after the east penthouse collapse the building as a whole began its descent. The descent took 7 to 8 seconds. Buildings don't do this from penthouse collapses. They don't even do it from single column failures.

 

[NoahFence]

Anyway, it's not worth the argument to quibble over a few seconds difference. The point is, after the east penthouse collapse the building as a whole began its descent. The descent took 7 to 8 seconds. Buildings don't do this from penthouse collapses. They don't even do it from single column failures

There simply aren't enough "facepalm" images on the interwebz.

Originally Posted by Gamolon
Tell you what. Answer one simple question. When did WTC7's collapse start? With the penthouse or the facade?
Ergo?

 

[000063]

Well, that's the third time ergo has mysteriously failed to produce timestamps.

Also;

Your equation of debris with the building itself has a number of logical problems, to put it politely.

Fallacy of Composition^WP: That which is true of a part of the whole must necessarily be true of the whole. A perfect example of the type.

Dave

Alright. My brand new girl friend is out on errands and won't be back for another 6 hours, so I got time to waste and will take you on here: Name 2 of those supposed logical problems, to make it plural. Please make sure not to invent strawmen.

See Dave's post immediately above yours, Oystein.

Did "the building" (WTC 7) crash into other buildings in four opposing directions?

You didn't answer my question.
You claimed "a number of logical problems".

I expect YOU name at least two.

Oystein, did "the building" (by your definition) (translation for the rest of us: debris), crash into other buildings in four directions simultaneously? Did it fall at free fall speed at all times? Yes or no?

That wasn't an answer, and it didn't contain two or more of your alleged logical problems.

I guess if you can't name any alleged logical problems, you better retract your claim.

I find it strange that when debunkers refer to "the building" they can't be referring to part of the building, according to you, yet you readily consider the East Penthouse as something separate from "the entire building". I'm pretty sure that's inconsistent in some way, but I'm not sure how. Not that claiming part of the building is separate from "the entire building" isn't ridiculous on its own.