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Merged News Corp. execs step aside | U.S. begins investigation | Will Fox News be abandoned?

leftysergeant said:
It is still "unexplained" and we know that there was considerable corruption within police agencies.
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No, it is not.

An autopsy conducted Tuesday afternoon "has concluded there is no evidence of third-party involvement and the death is non-suspicious," Hertfordshire police said in a statement. Earlier, police had called his death "unexplained, but not thought to be suspicious."​

It was unexplained. Do you know what the word "was" means? It was unexplained, and then after the autopsy, it was changed to "non-suspicious".
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Do you even understand why this is?

Do you have any idea the kind of bloodbath that would erupt if there were even a hint of someone interpreting laws as you seem to want to do?

Your interpretation of the murder statutes would end democracy. No President (or likely any other official) would ever step down willingly because they would know that someone like you was waiting in the wings to say "I think there are _____ preventable deaths that occurred that would not have happened if you adopted the policies I wanted, therefore I am charging you with murder and will have you executed".

They would do whatever is necessary to stay in power and avoid the hangmans noose. There would be blood in the streets.

America has a 150 year tradition of peaceful transitions of power precisely because they President knows he will not be facing a bloody vindictive retribution from people who are pissed over losing an election 4 years previously.

Do you really want to throw all that away?
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No, we are throwing nothing away, we are taking it back. This is the beginning of the end, terminating the three decade rise of the Bastards of Nixon. The democracy of sound bites, for the greater glory of the corporations. Murdoch and his Axis of Evil partners were hollowing out democracy to pursue their grail of unregulated, law of the jungle, capitalism.

What do they call it?
Re-Branding
Showing the world, one of the Axises of Evil, Murdoch the Puppet Master.
 
DeathDart said:
No, we are throwing nothing away, we are taking it back. This is the beginning of the end, terminating the three decade rise of the Bastards of Nixon. The democracy of sound bites, for the greater glory of the corporations. Murdoch and his Axis of Evil partners were hollowing out democracy to pursue their grail of unregulated, law of the jungle, capitalism.

What do they call it?
Re-Branding
Showing the world, one of the Axises of Evil, Murdoch the Puppet Master.
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Are you serious or are you just yankin my chain?

I did just explain to you why killing political opponents is a bad idea, did I not?
 
DeathDart said:
If Murdoch's propaganda was a key element in preventing the existence of National Health Care, and I believe that preventable deaths from the lack of health care run 30,000 to 50,000 per year (Conservative estimate), would not that deserve the needle?
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I'm surprised at myself for not thinking of this right away. Especially having spent so much time arguing this topic in one of the other forums.

But your under definition of capital murder, we would be able to arrest, try and execute most of the leadership of Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, the Sierra Club and at least a dozen other environmental groups or organizations*.

Because of the policy influence of these organizations, more than 30,000 Americans die needlessly every year. The global death toll is estimated from 170,000 to as much as half a million dead every year.

Are you absolutely positive you want to unleash this genie from the bottle?



*I don't want to kill these people. I just want them to lose the political debate so that we can move forward with a true green agenda that is friendly to both people and other living creatures.
 
leftysergeant said:
What is Stalinist about wanting the leaders of a murder conspiracy to get the death penalty?
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When the charges are, shall we say, unverified, that's very Stalinist indeed. So too is the whole imposition of penalties beyond the scope of the law, since the UK doesn't have a death penalty. Nobody here believes that you're really just an avid death penalty advocate. You just want your political opponents dead, and if you have to imagine a conspiracy or two to justify that, so be it. I don't even think this is the first time you've expressed this sentiment either.

And there's something quite pathetic about spitting forth all the rage you can muster, and yet it's completely impotent.
 
Ziggurat said:
When the charges are, shall we say, unverified, that's very Stalinist indeed. So too is the whole imposition of penalties beyond the scope of the law, since the UK doesn't have a death penalty. Nobody here believes that you're really just an avid death penalty advocate. You just want your political opponents dead, and if you have to imagine a conspiracy or two to justify that, so be it. I don't even think this is the first time you've expressed this sentiment either.
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Were it not for an unexplained death, I would be satisfied to see Fox Goons land the parent company liquidated under the RICO statutes.

I am not a bit satisfied with a finding that does not rule out someone's having slipped Hoare some bad drugs.

It is just too convenient that a witness against someone with the juice that Rotten Rupert has croaks all of a sudden.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
But your under definition of capital murder, we would be able to arrest, try and execute most of the leadership of Greenpeace, Friends of the Earth, the Sierra Club and at least a dozen other environmental groups or organizations*.

Because of the policy influence of these organizations, more than 30,000 Americans die needlessly every year. The global death toll is estimated from 170,000 to as much as half a million dead every year.
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:dl:

Take that back to the latrine you dug it out of.
 
Sword_Of_Truth said:
Are you serious or are you just yankin my chain?

I did just explain to you why killing political opponents is a bad idea, did I not?
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If someone breaks the law, and continues to break the law, and instead of being prosecuted , they get stronger.

What I mean by getting stronger, is that they, and not the American people, are now controlling key political institutions. The Supreme Court for the Corporations is one example.

What are your options then? Basic laws that are not being criminally enforced, like theft and fraud in the last economic meltdown, what are your options then?

When they are so clever, as to change or water down the laws, so their crimes, no longer have penalties. What are your options then?

Retroactively making warrantless wiretapping legal, instead of prosecuting them to the fullest extent of the law.

Murdoch is just one of many, and if the law actually moves to remove them all, then your point is moot.

If not.....When the law is what they say it is! What are your options then?
 
It seems extremely unlikely that news corporation had anything to with the sean hoare. I give it a less than 1% chance.
 
This is a distraction and off topic. We already have a perfectly good CT thread discussing it.

The important question, on this sub-forum anyway, is whether or not News Corp. has been committing crimes here in the US and which of it's media entities were involved or benefitted from those crimes.

If I had to guess, it sounds like these procedures were fairly pervasive in the UK outlets and I have no reason to think it wouldn't be equally so here. I would not be surprised if Murdoch is looking at some jail time or, more likely, some hefty fines.
 
stokes234 said:
It seems extremely unlikely that news corporation had anything to with the sean hoare. I give it a less than 1% chance.
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I would agree. The timing couldn't be worse for Murdoch. He was probably being plied with alcohol and drugs to answer questions, and it was too much of a bad thing.

Don't take this the wrong way, can the cat you have pictured move on its own, or do you just roll it around?
 
leftysergeant said:
:dl:

Take that back to the latrine you dug it out of.
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Ludicrous, isn't it?

The efforts of those people and organizations to prevent the replacement of coal as a primary energy source and the price our society has paid in blood for their ignorance is a topic for another thread.

The point is, how that post appears to you is how your comments appear to all of the conservatives and most of the liberals who post here (see Cleons response to you above).
 
I still think every lawyer or other operative of Newscorp who could have had contact with Hoare should go under proctoscopicly close survielance and a thorough shakedown of their quarters and papers just to be sure they weren't providing him with drugs.

And why hasn't the DoJ siezed all of Newscorps' hard drives and servers to make sure that they don't delete any embarrassing e-mails? Don't tell me that the turds have a right to privacy. We haven't, if the government thinks we have ties to Hamas. Why should they get to hide evidence that they were committing a felony in international commerce?

I recommend jail time for the corporation itself if Rotten Ruppert or his people get convicted of anything. Put the corporation into recievership pending trial and, if a guilty verdict is returned, all profits go into the Treasury for a given period of time. Twenty years sounds reasonable. It is a felony to bribe a foreign official. They should get at least what some high school kid in the inner city would get for having a gram too much weed.
 
DeathDart said:
If someone breaks the law, and continues to break the law, and instead of being prosecuted , they get stronger.
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Disagreeing with you politically is not breaking the law. Get that through your head. There is no interpretation of law that you could use to kill the executives at FOX news that could not be also be used in equal manner against MSNBC, the New York Times or Al Gores new TV channel.

What I mean by getting stronger, is that they, and not the American people, are now controlling key political institutions. The Supreme Court for the Corporations is one example.
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Your example does not exist. There is no such entity.

What are your options then? Basic laws that are not being criminally enforced, like theft and fraud in the last economic meltdown, what are your options then?
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Congressman Barney Frank should be sent to ADX Florence and never allowed to see the sun again for what he did.

But given the choice of of twisting the criminal justice system into a tool of legalized assassination and petty political paybacks and that of preserving democracy, I'll choose democracy.
 
leftysergeant said:
So you were just talking through the wrong oriffice again. Figures.
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I was pointing out that Greenpeace, the Sierra Club, Friends of the Earth and others, are indeed indirectly responsible for tens of thousands of deaths per year.

Are you and deathdart still certain you want to go on a politically motivated killing spree?
 
The New York Times has published articles saying that abortion should be legal. Therefore, they have played a role in killing tens of thousands of unborn babies, and thus should be executed.

or...

President Smith enacted economic policy X that made the economy much worse. This caused some people to struggle and lose their lives due to these new economic hardships, and so he should be charged for their murder.

That's the slippery slope we would be leaping headfirst off, Death, and we would be seeing people say something like this. And that would not be good for this country to put it mildly.
 
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