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Merged News Corp. execs step aside | U.S. begins investigation | Will Fox News be abandoned?

DeathDart said:
If things got bad enough, I think that me and the other patriots would only want to kill a few people.
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If they'd just do what we want them to, we wouldn't have to kill them.

The people who started the French revolution thought the same thing. It spun out of control and became the Reign of Terror.
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The American revolution, by comparison, did not. There was no Reign of Terror in the colonies. And it wasn't a mater of luck either: they were fundamentally different sorts of revolutions, guided by extremely different ideologies despite their superficial similarities.

But I must give you credit for recognizing that your own ideology is closer to that of the French revolution than the American revolution.
 
Rupert Murdoch's Fox News television channel had a "black ops" department that may have illegally hacked private telephone records, a former executive for the station has alleged.
Dan Cooper, who helped launch Fox News as managing editor in 1996, said that a so-called "brain room" carried out "counter intelligence" on the channel's enemies from its New York headquarters, and that he was threatened after it found out he spoke to a reporter.
Another former senior executive told The Telegraph that the channel ran a Soviet-style spying network on staff, reading their emails and making them "feel they were being watched".
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More to come about this, I'm betting.
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Maybe only some of Murdoch's crew were involved in police bribery or in phone hacking but there are probably lots of news organizations sweating right now... especially since there seems to be a movement to go after the papers because they used info from people who had illegally obtained info.

There is a danger that if this blows up bad enough, there will be a movement away from the history of investigative journalism where 'anonymous sources' cannot be verified to be 'clean'.

Government corruption, corporate corruption would be much easier to hide if news organizations are afraid to publish.
 
jayh said:
Government corruption, corporate corruption would be much easier to hide if news organizations are afraid to publish.
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Historical events
Too late! It started before 9-11, and after 9-11 it became a jack boot on the throats of journalist. 60 minutes was set up to publish either false information or used compromised sources at least twice. One was the fake documents about W's going AWOL while in the Texas National Playpen (Guard).

The other was a known Anti-Semitic being made the head of FBI counterintelligence. When Szady found AIPAC's American Technology Transfer to China to Fill Israels Bank Accounts scheme, he would of course self destruct. Both of these were very public screw ups, to teach everyone to leave the Morlocks living under Washington D.C. ALONE.

Recent Events
Cenk Uygur On Leaving MSNBC: Network Told Me To 'Tone It Down,' Didn't Want To 'Challenge Power' (VIDEO)
 
DeathDart said:
Historical events
Too late! It started before 9-11, and after 9-11 it became a jack boot on the throats of journalist. 60 minutes was set up to publish either false information or used compromised sources at least twice. One was the fake documents about W's going AWOL while in the Texas National Playpen (Guard).
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They were "set up" with Rathergate? Hardly. Some nutjob with a grudge made a piss-poor forgery, sent it to CBS, and 60 Minutes found it too good to check. So they didn't, and made fools of themselves. That's nobody's fault but their own. I don't think you really understand how bad of a forgery it was. If you want to discredit someone by making them fall for a forgery, you make the forgery believable, otherwise you risk them not believing it. And this forgery wasn't believable. It was pure stupidity, not any grand conspiracy, that made 60 Minutes fall for it.

Cenk Uygur On Leaving MSNBC: Network Told Me To 'Tone It Down,' Didn't Want To 'Challenge Power' (VIDEO)
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That's a rather self-serving explanation. The truth is likely much more prosaic: Sharpton got better ratings in that time slot, and so they booted Uygur from the slot (but not from the network, he chose to leave on his own) to make room.
 
Ziggurat said:
If they'd just do what we want them to, we wouldn't have to kill them.
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When the "they" in your sentence is actually the people of the United States, then I don't want to kill anybody.

The historical pattern has been a pendulum, it goes left, it goes right.
It had kept both sides on their toes, and had kept them from getting overconfident.

Reagan didn't start a Revolution, he started a Coup. The Right and the Rich got tired of America's political mood swings, since they were bad for business, and because business men are notorious sore losers.

Watergate had taught them that the Press was a dangerous enemy. They found the perfect partner who would neutralize the press.
 
Ziggurat said:
They were "set up" with Rathergate? Hardly. Some nutjob with a grudge made a piss-poor forgery, sent it to CBS, and 60 Minutes found it too good to check. So they didn't, and made fools of themselves. That's nobody's fault but their own. I don't think you really understand how bad of a forgery it was. If you want to discredit someone by making them fall for a forgery, you make the forgery believable, otherwise you risk them not believing it. And this forgery wasn't believable. It was pure stupidity, not any grand conspiracy, that made 60 Minutes fall for it.
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60 minutes was and is very thorough. This was not an accident.

In the case of David Szady 60 Minutes shown him to be a complete incompetent before: http://www.aim.org/media-monitor/fbi-wrecks-spycatchers-career/

Then 60 Minutes uses the same Idiot (Szady) to go after AIPAC?

This was a set up, created within CBS corporate management!

The usual Modus Operandi, some incompetent who isn't fired, but gets promoted.
 
DeathDart said:
Reagan didn't start a Revolution, he started a Coup.
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What a strange word you have to describe getting elected.

It's like you're a parody of the left, except that you're serious.

The Right and the Rich got tired of America's political mood swings, since they were bad for business, and because business men are notorious sore losers.

Watergate had taught them that the Press was a dangerous enemy. They found the perfect partner who would neutralize the press.
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And yet, we still have political mood swings and a press that is hostile to the right. If there's a grand conspiracy, it seems to have failed utterly.
 
The historical pattern has been a pendulum, it goes left, it goes right.
They had to bring in help from an outside the country to treat America's political mood swings.

Ronald Reagan had tied the knot between he right wing Israeli's and the right wing Americans with Iran-Contra. He opened the door, the right wing Israelis came in and made themselves at home.

They couldn't control Rather, so CBS management set him up. In football, when your opponent is too aggressive in run defense, you use the play action pass. Rather had cut through their lines, only to watch the ball, sail over his head. He was set up.

Rathergate was the perfect lesson that any journalist could understand.

Instead of the American Jews being a left wing bastion of progressive thinking, they became Golems for the defense of Israel. The arguably liberal press, was morphing into a right wing tool.

Even so, the culture of the formerly liberal press was changing too slowly, and resisting. Rupert Murdoch was their solution.

Political parties do not have this kind of discipline for long term planning, so several very wealthy individuals created think tanks to maintain continuity. There their stooges would have someplace to hang out while the pendulum swung back in their direction.
 
DeathDart said:
Ronald Reagan had tied the knot between he right wing Israeli's and the right wing Americans with Iran-Contra. He opened the door, the right wing Israelis came in and made themselves at home.
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Don't know 1980's history much, do ya?

The biggest operation between the Reagan administration and the Israeli government was the one to supply the Afghan rebels that were fighting the Soviets.

The Reagan administration needed to get arms to the afghan rebels but also needed plausible deniability. The Americans needed to supply afghan rebels with russian arms so they they could claim they weren't involved in the killing of russian soldiers on the battlefield. The largest store of Russian made equipment in friendly hands was the Israelis who had captured much of it in their wars with Russian supplied Syria, Jordan, Egypt and other Arab nations. The captured soviet built arms were funneled through Pakistan into the hands of the Mujaheddin, giving the Americans the public "hands-off" stance they wanted.

There's little if any evidence that Israel played any role in the Iran-Contra affair.

It's bad enough that you want to kill people for not sharing your political views, but you can't even get the reasons why you want to kill them straight.
 
Darat said:
I disagree with that assessment, to me Murdoch has always put what he thinks is in his best interest first not really any particular ideology. And NI, unlike many other multinational large corporations, will consider the long term and is willing to sacrifice profit today for more profit in the long term. (As an example look how he poured money into Sky for so long.)
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Not true. In Australia, the conservative Liberal government had an iron grip on power. The Murdoch press pushed for he alternative Labor government. After a few years, Murdoch decided he didn't support the Labor government any more, and supported the Liberal government. The Liberal government got back into power. Now, there was much more to the change in power than who Murdoch backed, but the change in who his papers supported was very obvious, and that it was his policy that controlled their support.

Labor governments have toyed with the idea that you can be Labor and get the support of the press barons such as Murdoch, because without their support you can't win. That has worked to a degree, but the real Conservatives won't stand for that.
 
DeathDart said:
They couldn't control Rather, so CBS management set him up. In football, when your opponent is too aggressive in run defense, you use the play action pass. Rather had cut through their lines, only to watch the ball, sail over his head. He was set up.
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Like I said, you clearly have no idea what actually happened, or how monumentally stupid his mistakes were.

Rathergate was the perfect lesson that any journalist could understand.
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Indeed. And the lessons are quite simple:
1) Don't fall for obvious amateur forgeries.
2) If you get caught falling for obvious amateur forgeries, don't try to defend those obvious amateur forgeries.

No conspiracy could ever have predicted just how stupid Rather acted.

Instead of the American Jews being a left wing bastion of progressive thinking, they became Golems for the defense of Israel.
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Antisemitism: the canary in the global mine of stupidity.
 
The plot thickens on this (U.S.) side of the pond...

Report: DOJ preparing News Corp. subpoenas
The News Corp. phone hacking scandal is about to become a federal case in the United States, with The Wall Street Journal reporting on Friday that the Justice Department is preparing subpoenas related to domestic hacking and foreign bribery.

The development indicates that News Corp. will be investigated for violating the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, which forbids U.S. companies from paying off foreign officials, which News of the World reporters and editors are accused of doing. ...
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leftysergeant said:
It might be interesting to see a corporation charged with Aggravated Murder One. I like the idea of giving Fox Goons the death penaltyy.
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I don't care who it is. If some one is involved with murder they deserve punishment. Thats why I have the Eagle avatar of Justice homie.

Last I heard they are treating the case as unknown death still and exploring all options.

Also Scotland yard opertatives got payoffs for eavesdropping etc.? Any word if any of them will be prosecuted?
 
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MattusMaximus said:
The plot thickens on this (U.S.) side of the pond...

Report: DOJ preparing News Corp. subpoenas
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I hope someone took the Department of Justice's crayons away, it is soooo embarrassing to serve subpoena's filled out in crayon.

The Department of Justice is just a big building used to warehouse idiots with law degrees.

If you disagree, how do you explain Alberto (I don't need no stinking warrant) Gonzalez?
 
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