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Merged News Corp. execs step aside | U.S. begins investigation | Will Fox News be abandoned?

BenBurch said:
It is only the fact that we have all experienced the stunning disconnect between upper management and reality that allows us to even consider that the entire organization could be doing the same bad things without the guy in the corner office knowing anything about it.
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But in this case we know that is not the case since Brooks was upper management and she made her statements in public.
 
Ziggurat said:
Ah, that. So, just speculation at this point, along with some delusions discussion from people like lefty about what will happen if the speculation is true.
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Yes. This has happened millions of times throughout history in millions of other discussions about hypothetical scenarios. "What if" is a perfectly valid precursor to discussion of a topic, and your input is nil.

On topic, if any evidence of phone hacking of 9/11 victims on behalf of news corporation is found, I can't imagine fox surviving it. What would be great is if the public starts seeing the overall corporation as the bad guy, rather than individual papers. A cornerstone of partisan right-wing media would crumble. Of course, there is always going to be a market for those views, and plenty of the replacements would have the same political themes, but murdoch always comes across as willing to sacrifice profit in favour of his right-wing political agenda, and with any luck this won't be a trait of the replacements.
 
stokes234 said:
...snip... but murdoch always comes across as willing to sacrifice profit in favour of his right-wing political agenda, and with any luck this won't be a trait of the replacements.
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I disagree with that assessment, to me Murdoch has always put what he thinks is in his best interest first not really any particular ideology. And NI, unlike many other multinational large corporations, will consider the long term and is willing to sacrifice profit today for more profit in the long term. (As an example look how he poured money into Sky for so long.)
 
Grizzly Adams said:
He is a US citizen. They are non-deportable from the United States, except for the singular action of fraudulently obtaining such citizenship.

Have you some evidence he was fraudulent in obtaining his US citizenship, or are you just blowing smoke again?
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I'll have to do some more digging for the exact text of the oath that a naturalized citizen takes and what it says regarding loyalty to the Constitution.

Rotten Rupert left a smelly brown stain on it. Send him back to England and them sort him out.
 
Darat said:
I disagree with that assessment, to me Murdoch has always put what he thinks is in his best interest first not really any particular ideology. And NI, unlike many other multinational large corporations, will consider the long term and is willing to sacrifice profit today for more profit in the long term. (As an example look how he poured money into Sky for so long.)
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Agreed. Fox News Channel not only serves his political interests, but is the leader in the market for cable news in the US and is profitable.
 
Fox News won't fold because of this; if anything, Murdoch would sell it to the Kochs.
 
Ziggurat said:
Ah, that. So, just speculation at this point, along with some delusions from people like lefty about what will happen if the speculation is true. When you want something unsubstantiated to be true, that's when you should be especially careful that you don't let yourself get carried away.
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BenBurch said:
I don't care if he keeps his citizenship or not, I care that he gets a civics lesson if he broke the law.
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Am I the only one who find's Ziggurat's complaint strange? Ben used that fancy "if" word.
 
Cleon said:
Fox News won't fold because of this; if anything, Murdoch would sell it to the Kochs.
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The more likely outcome is that the Murdoch family exits News Corp management.
 
stokes234 said:
On topic, if any evidence of phone hacking of 9/11 victims on behalf of news corporation is found, I can't imagine fox surviving it. What would be great is if the public starts seeing the overall corporation as the bad guy, rather than individual papers. A cornerstone of partisan right-wing media would crumble.
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Maybe, but sometimes you have to wonder about what someone needs to do to be beyond redemption on the US FOX-News right. Remember that FOX News employs Oliver North.

Of course, there is always going to be a market for those views, and plenty of the replacements would have the same political themes, but murdoch always comes across as willing to sacrifice profit in favour of his right-wing political agenda, and with any luck this won't be a trait of the replacements.
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In some ways, yes. He runs the Times at a loss as far as I know and he closed down the News of the World which was, I think, profitable. But he can't have been as successful as he has been by sticking hard and fast to a right-wing agenda at the expense of any profit the whole time. He must have made some money somewhere.
 
leftysergeant said:
I'll have to do some more digging for the exact text of the oath that a naturalized citizen takes and what it says regarding loyalty to the Constitution.

Rotten Rupert left a smelly brown stain on it. Send him back to England and them sort him out.
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Murdoch's originally Australian rather than English. Can't you send him there instead of England?
 
Jan 10 2008: Fox News Knocks Down 'Brain Room' Claim
Has Roger Ailes been keeping tabs on your phone calls? A disgrunted former Fox News producer claims he has the capability thanks to a secret "brain room" that the network uses for "counterintelligence and black ops."

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Potentially the most explosive among Cooper's many lurid claims, assuming anyone believes them, arises from his account of how his agent, Richard Leibner, dropped him as a client. Leibner did so, asserts Cooper, under pressure from Ailes, who had discovered that Cooper was an anonymous source for a New York magazine story about him, written by ex-Republican David Brock.

And how did Ailes learn that?

Certainly Brock didn't tell him. Of course. Fox News had gotten Brock's telephone records from the phone company, and my phone number was on the list. Deep in the bowels of 1211 Avenue of the Americas, News Corporation's New York headquarters, was what Roger called The Brain Room. Most people thought it was simply the research department of Fox News. But unlike virtually everybody else, because I had to design and build the Brain Room, I knew it also housed a counterintelligence and black ops office. So accessing phone records was easy pie.​

A Fox News spokeswoman says there's no truth to the claim that the network has the capability to snoop through phone records.
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So, yeah. That appears to have been a big whopper of a lie.


Note: This is not quite the whole article, but it's darn close as most of it is pertinent. My apologies if I'm just barely skirting Rule 4.
 
This story seems like it should be huge here in the states, yet it hasn't really got any traction yet. Perhaps if one of the talking heads at Fox News were to get arrested, or if they do find evidence of phone hacking some 9/11 victim family member.

I wonder just how widespread this phone hacking is in the media?

Perhaps this unsuspicious death could add enough to kick start the American Media Machine?

News of the World phone-hacking whistleblower found dead

MSNBC is jumping all over this dead guy story right now.






If only one of these Execs had been a homosexual, if even back in college for a week, then you'd have a hot topic here @ JREF.
 
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I don't know...the story has been front page news several times recently on the Orange County Register and I've seen it mentioned on local news.
 
shadron said:
America doesn't have steppes. You must be thinking of Kazakhstan.

AFAIK, the only thing that requires American citizenship is the two highest offices in the land (and they require it be by birth).

Citizenship is not revocable, I don't think. I don't think it can even be officially renounced.
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You have to be a citizen to be in Congress, too, just not a natural born citizen. Most state elective offices require that you be a citizen of the US and a legal resident of the state.
 
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