Richard Gage Blueprint for Truth Rebuttals on YouTube by Chris Mohr

[NoahFence]

The fact that anti-semites run rampant in the 9/11 conspiracy "truth" movement is just a fact. You can hardly go 10 posts on any 9/11 topic without someone bashing the evil "joos".

That there are a couple people saying otherwise doesn't change that fact.

 

[NoahFence]

chrismohr





You said he asked if you were Jewish. How is that an attack?
Is it now anti-Semitic to ask a person if they are Jewish?

Please post the email.

I think I asked you if you were 12 once. You complained. What's the difference?

 

[Clayton Moore]

The fact that anti-semites run rampant in the 9/11 conspiracy "truth" movement is just a fact. You can hardly go 10 posts on any 9/11 topic without someone bashing the evil "joos".

That there are a couple people saying otherwise doesn't change that fact.

The only time I ever see

someone bashing the evil "joos".


is a person saying it is rampant and a common occurrence.

 

[NoahFence]

The only time I ever see

someone bashing the evil "joos".


is a person saying it is rampant and a common occurrence.

Maybe you should, I dunno....read?

(Besides, I know you're lying through your teeth)

 

[sheeplesnshills]

What antisemitism is associated with 9/11 truth?

Thinking there was Israeli and neocon involvement in the instigation, planning, implementation, and cover-up is anti-Semitic?

Single data point......I used to post on the OZ911 forum and it was interesting to see that most of the people who posted twooferisms in the 911 section also posted in the holocaust denial, JFK, anti vaccinations etc sections.

It seemed to me that they are all just symptoms of the same mental addiction to Conspiracy theories. The actual subject of the conspiracy does not seem to be particularly important.

 

[chrismohr]

Again, I regret ever having brought up the antisemite question. Sorry for any unnecessary hurt.

No one has responded to video 8, where brand new eyewitness testimony from a 9/11 firefighter shows that he and others were looking at NASA thermal images every day for firefighting strategy and safety purposes. His boots on the ground testimony proves that there were no temperatures in excess of 1400 degrees anywhere in the rubble. If there were 3000 degree temperatures, he testified that the thermal expansion of water would have been explosive and that they would have had to stop ouring millions of gallons of water on the fires immediately.

Does anyone believe in the rivers of molten steel after seeing this video and the direct new testimony of a 9/11 hero?

 

[RedIbis]

You want me to stick to the facts and the science? OK. I will. That's 99% of what I've been doing anyway, until I foolishly tried to open up a discussion about this disturbing communication I got.

Chris Mohr

Here are some other things you should not distract yourself with when trying to keep your focus on the science of 9/11:

The Truth Movement
Truthers
Twoofyism
The personal lives of those questioning 9/11
Mila Kunis

In other words, anything that is not directly related to available scientific information regarding the specific, physical events.

This won't be as fun as getting into long discussions about how questioning 9/11 is just an extension of anti-semitic belief, but it might be more productive.

 

[RedIbis]

Again, I regret ever having brought up the antisemite question. Sorry for any unnecessary hurt.

No one has responded to video 8, where brand new eyewitness testimony from a 9/11 firefighter shows that he and others were looking at NASA thermal images every day for firefighting strategy and safety purposes. His boots on the ground testimony proves that there were no temperatures in excess of 1400 degrees anywhere in the rubble. If there were 3000 degree temperatures, he testified that the thermal expansion of water would have been explosive and that they would have had to stop ouring millions of gallons of water on the fires immediately.

Does anyone believe in the rivers of molten steel after seeing this video and the direct new testimony of a 9/11 hero?

Chris,
I checked out Part 8. I'm curious why you suggest that the debris pile was cool and easy to walk on even an hour after the collapse. What is your source for this? There are long lists of accounts of extreme heat on the pile that contradict your assertion.

Also, why do you say that there are no reports of lung scalding from the dust? I'm sure you're aware of the tragic and widespread incidence of first responders and the hosts of pulminary problems caused by the dust.

Finally,I would say this video is not convincing because it is premised on an eyewitness account. The problem with this is that it's easily balanced by accounts that contradict your eyewitness, which is why eyewitnesses are not nearly as convincing as scientific information. Likewise, you end your video with a base appeal to emotion. No one doubts that firemen are loyal to one another and that it takes extreme bravery to do what they do, but this doesn't make their accounts perfect, nor does it make an individual firefighter immune to exaggeration, error, etc, and it certainly shouldn't end the discussion as to how hot the debris pile was and what exactly was the flowing metal that so many on the scene reported.

 

[NoahFence]

Well, the debris pile was scattered over many acres - couldn't it be possible to have some parts hotter than others?

 

[chrismohr]

Chris,
I checked out Part 8. I'm curious why you suggest that the debris pile was cool and easy to walk on even an hour after the collapse. What is your source for this? There are long lists of accounts of extreme heat on the pile that contradict your assertion.

Also, why do you say that there are no reports of lung scalding from the dust? I'm sure you're aware of the tragic and widespread incidence of first responders and the hosts of pulminary problems caused by the dust.

Finally,I would say this video is not convincing because it is premised on an eyewitness account. The problem with this is that it's easily balanced by accounts that contradict your eyewitness, which is why eyewitnesses are not nearly as convincing as scientific information. Likewise, you end your video with a base appeal to emotion. No one doubts that firemen are loyal to one another and that it takes extreme bravery to do what they do, but this doesn't make their accounts perfect, nor does it make an individual firefighter immune to exaggeration, error, etc, and it certainly shouldn't end the discussion as to how hot the debris pile was and what exactly was the flowing metal that so many on the scene reported.

As I said, NASA thermal images show max 1400 degrees, this firefighter was deeply involved in dealing with fire temperatures, and I have shown several pix of people walking on cool debris right after the fire. I have also quoted a metallurgist who says even he can't tell molten steel vs other metals by sight alone. I've talked with and quoted foundry workers who talk about explosive thermal expansion of water when it contacts molten steel or iron. The pulmonary damage to people was mostly long-term (not instant scalding to death) and nothing like the recent volcanos where entire villages of people either died or needed thousands of ventilators just so villagers caught in the pyroclastic flow could breathe.

Do you have proof of 3000 degree heat for months? I couldn't find evidence that stood up to scrutiny.

As for your other post about Truthers and personal stuff you're right, I've learned my lesson. Advice taken.

 

[NoahFence]

foundry workers who talk about explosive thermal expansion of water when it contacts molten steel or iron.

I've seen that first hand...not pretty.

 

[000063]

There has never been any data presented on the numbers of anti-semites in the truth movement relative to in the general population, or even the bedunker movement. Spelling it out in crayon for 9/11 bedunkers, this means there are as many anti-semites in their own ranks as there are in 9/11 truth.

That's an argument from ignorance. If there's no data presented(you said none, period, not "presented by the debunkers"), you can't claim to compare the numbers. Unless you have data available, in which case it would be best to present it so we can compare it to the gen. pop.

Chris also apologized for saying/implying there were X amount of Anti-Semites, and asked what the Truthers, or at least one in particular, plan to do about the anti-semites among them.

In other words, anything that is not directly related to available scientific information regarding the specific, physical events

You might want to ask certain people why they're limiting his evidence to a cherry-picked list of features from the visual record, then refusing to explain their selection criteria.

 

[RedIbis]

As I said, NASA thermal images show max 1400 degrees, this firefighter was deeply involved in dealing with fire temperatures, and I have shown several pix of people walking on cool debris right after the fire.

If you don't mind pointing to where you posted this. I went through the video and didn't see such pics. Still, I don't doubt that such pics exist, but I don't see how you can determine how hot the debris was by photographs, even if first responders were walking on top of portions of it. Secondly, there are accounts of shoe soles being melted, which would suggest some serious heat on the top of the pile. I can't find where or if you say it specifically, but I think you dispute the sole melting testimony. I'm curious why you think those accounts are false.

I have also quoted a metallurgist who says even he can't tell molten steel vs other metals by sight alone. I've talked with and quoted foundry workers who talk about explosive thermal expansion of water when it contacts molten steel or iron. The pulmonary damage to people was mostly long-term (not instant scalding to death) and nothing like the recent volcanos where entire villages of people either died or needed thousands of ventilators just so villagers caught in the pyroclastic flow could breathe.

I completely agree that descriptions of molten steel do not equate with the existence of it. What is up for debate is how certain effects that take extreme heat were generated.

Do you have proof of 3000 degree heat for months? I couldn't find evidence that stood up to scrutiny.

I didn't make that claim. The concern here are Gage's claims and how he arrived at these numbers.

 

[Edx]

You said he asked if you were Jewish. How is that an attack?
Is it now anti-Semitic to ask a person if they are Jewish?

Please post the email.

Its on his YT page, and the guy had just been saying that it a conspiracy undertaken by Israel so him asking Chris if he was Jewish was obviously an attack.

 

[triforcharity]

There are long lists of accounts of extreme heat on the pile that contradict your assertion.

1,400 deg. F is quite hot. No doubt that there was extreme heat. But, nowhere in the area of 2800 deg. F. Not even close. If there were 2800 deg. F. temperatures, they would have been required to wear the aluminized turnout gear that you see in foundries and in aircraft firefighting.

Also, why do you say that there are no reports of lung scalding from the dust? I'm sure you're aware of the tragic and widespread incidence of first responders and the hosts of pulminary problems caused by the dust.

Long term. I don't know of any reports of instant, or even same-day lung scalding due to inhaling super-heated gasses. None.

 

[Mr. Skinny]

As I said, NASA thermal images show max 1400 degrees, this firefighter was deeply involved in dealing with fire temperatures, and I have shown several pix of people walking on cool debris right after the fire. I have also quoted a metallurgist who says even he can't tell molten steel vs other metals by sight alone. I've talked with and quoted foundry workers who talk about explosive thermal expansion of water when it contacts molten steel or iron. The pulmonary damage to people was mostly long-term (not instant scalding to death) and nothing like the recent volcanos where entire villages of people either died or needed thousands of ventilators just so villagers caught in the pyroclastic flow could breathe.

Do you have proof of 3000 degree heat for months? I couldn't find evidence that stood up to scrutiny.

As for your other post about Truthers and personal stuff you're right, I've learned my lesson. Advice taken.

Actually, water ON molten metal is not that big of a problem. It's water trapped UNDER molten metal that IS a problem. As the water rapidly expands to steam it blows molten metal all over the place.

 

[bill smith]

Again, I regret ever having brought up the antisemite question. Sorry for any unnecessary hurt.

No one has responded to video 8, where brand new eyewitness testimony from a 9/11 firefighter shows that he and others were looking at NASA thermal images every day for firefighting strategy and safety purposes. His boots on the ground testimony proves that there were no temperatures in excess of 1400 degrees anywhere in the rubble. If there were 3000 degree temperatures, he testified that the thermal expansion of water would have been explosive and that they would have had to stop ouring millions of gallons of water on the fires immediately.

Does anyone believe in the rivers of molten steel after seeing this video and the direct new testimony of a 9/11 hero?

Hi Chris,
I was just looking at some information about Richard Gage's recent presentations in several European countries. When I put the results together they give the undeniable impression that your debunking series has come too late.

Do you really think that this trend/tide can be reversed ?

Cumulative results by show of hands before and after Richard Gage's
june 2011 presentations in Amsterdam,Rotterdam,Bristol,London,Cork
Dublin and Dundalk. 1017 attendees total.

Totals: before : after
I Believe fires brought down the buildings 47 : 2
I am Unsure 148 : 64
I Believe in explosive Controlled Demolition 747 : 951


http://www2.ae911truth.org/speakings.php

 

[RedIbis]

1,400 deg. F is quite hot. No doubt that there was extreme heat. But, nowhere in the area of 2800 deg. F. Not even close. If there were 2800 deg. F. temperatures, they would have been required to wear the aluminized turnout gear that you see in foundries and in aircraft firefighting.

So you don't agree that the debris piles were "cool".

Long term. I don't know of any reports of instant, or even same-day lung scalding due to inhaling super-heated gasses. None.

Chris wasn't talking about super-heated gasses. He said "dust."

 

[NoahFence]

Totals: before : after
I Believe fires brought down the buildings 47 : 2
I am Unsure 148 : 64
I Believe in explosive Controlled Demolition 747 : 951

All that means is he's preaching to a very ill-informed choir. Everybody who agrees with him BEFORE they even attended.

People who know he's full of it aren't going to PAY HIM to pontificate in front of them. That would be counter-productive and I can imagine they'd rather watch paint dry with one eye and grass grow with the other.

 

[Gamolon]

Hi Chris,
I was just looking at some information about Richard Gage's recent presentations in several European countries. When I put the results together they give the undeniable impression that your debunking series has come too late.

Do you really think that this trend/tide can be reversed ?

Cumulative results by show of hands before and after Richard Gage's
june 2011 presentations in Amsterdam,Rotterdam,Bristol,London,Cork
Dublin and Dundalk. 1017 attendees total.

Totals: before : after
I Believe fires brought down the buildings 47 : 2
I am Unsure 148 : 64
I Believe in explosive Controlled Demolition 747 : 951


http://www2.ae911truth.org/speakings.php

Question Bill. Richard's site is selling signs that state the following:

"WTC7 - Free fall collapse". Is this an accurate representation of what happened or should that sign say "WTC7 - Partial free fall collapse"?