Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

[beachnut]

Read it all and then YOU prove it is cherry picking!

No a couple other people I know, already have dibs on the Pulitzer.

I just want the simple pleasure of watching a heart monitor, flatline.

You presented nothing of evidence for your delusional conclusions.
The report you quote-mined for your delusions on 911, did not talk of an inside job, or cover-up. Only 911 truth can make up the cover-up nonsense and delusional claims. Big failure to take that report and come up with the failed statements and moronic claims you try to make.
No Pulitzers for 911 truth, they are only capable of spreading lies and fantasy. You don't seem to understand the government structure and responsibilities.
It is sad you have to manufacture crazy claims to satisfy your hate for Bush, most people can stay in reality when criticizing Bush, you need fantasy for your bias and hate.

 

[DeathDart]

How cute, another twoofie with Bush derangement syndrome!
Politics is that a way >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

We live in a world that was shaped (twisted) by Bush. It surrounds us, it is not just that a way.

I am so delusional that I even think that I am a Prophet? Strangely, I do share certain qualities with Mohammed (Blessings upon Him and His Word).

Within the next 18 months EVERYTHING that the conspiracy has accomplished, will be reversed.

SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE.

A guy could get used to being a prophet. Better stop now, the retirement plan is usually...really.... bad.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

Within the next 18 months EVERYTHING that the conspiracy has accomplished, will be reversed.

Ohhhh... this ought to be goood...

List all of the accomplishments that will be reversed please. In bullets would be nice but no particular order is needed. I shall wait with bated breath for your response.

 

[Grizzly Bear]

Put yourself in the position of doing the computer model.
Look at NIST NCSTAR 1-3B . Using the photographs of the inventoried steel, set the initial conditions for the model. You are screwed.

Modeling software relies on a combination of inputs from both physical samples that are selected for review, and known material properties. The latter is always examined during design development to help ensure that the engineering that goes into buildings will be valid in practice. You claim that the model is screwed; that they can't model it without having every piece of steel accounted for. That's incorrect. If you have information about the damage, drawings showing the construction of the buildings and the material property data sheets, then the inputs are fairly trivial. What you need to show is that the model is flawed because the information used was inaccurate. You have not shown this.

Just use the model the initial plane impact, you say. Using an unverified model to input to another model is the equivalent to jerking off, programming wise.

Again inputs include physcial, photographic and construction documentation, as well as material properties sheets that provide every stat of the material used in construction. You have a collection of scare quotes that you want to portray as evidence of a coverup, but absolutely no support behind your allegation that the data fed into the modeling software was egregiously flawed.

They needed to save about 3 or 4 floors from each building. About 3% from each building.

To do what? Map the damage? Model the collapse in real life? Forget for a moment issues with practicality, how do you suggest they do this if they cannot adequately determine the location of the samples relative to the impact areas?

Approx .5% of each building was saved. Very few pieces come from the floors of interest.

See above

In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the BPAT team, a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site.

Why do my quotes mean nothing. Who is the real skeptic here?

Because even in the worst case scenario your scare quotes at most suggest government bureaucracy and incompetence. That's about it... If you want to pursue penalties for those issues go right ahead. Your quotes however have little to no relevancy to what I asked of you.

 

[DeathDart]

Ohhhh... this ought to be goood...

List all of the accomplishments that will be reversed please. In bullets would be nice but no particular order is needed. I shall wait with bated breath for your response.

Its already begun,

The conspiracy's propaganda minister seems to be experiencing unusually persistent difficulties. He is like Dorian Gray, and people have gotten a good look at his portrait. I believe that his personal graveyard has also gotten flooded, and all his victims coffins are floating up to the surface.

 

[DeathDart]

I did make an error, not all of the Conspiracy's accomplishments will be undone, death is not reversible.

 

[Sam.I.Am]

So no list?

Allllrighty then.

 

[BasqueArch]

We live in a world that was shaped (twisted) by Bush. It surrounds us, it is not just that a way.

I am so delusional that I even think that I am a Prophet? Strangely, I do share certain qualities with Mohammed (Blessings upon Him and His Word).

Within the next 18 months EVERYTHING that the conspiracy has accomplished, will be reversed.

SO LET IT BE WRITTEN, SO LET IT BE DONE.

A guy could get used to being a prophet. Better stop now, the retirement plan is usually...really.... bad.

Some people like to make an analogy between a ball of twine and a conspiracy.

I prefer to think of it as elastic thread, wrapped tightly into a ball.

The thread takes as long, to unwind, almost as long as it did to wind.

Once the the elastic loose thread gets so long, it begins to unwind very rapidly, it takes hardly any effort, (or time), to unwind it.

Read todays headlines, the conspiracy IS unwinding!

Some of your remarks are snarky and fanciful. They are amusing. I practice the same often myself. These two are not interesting at all. Also, professional engineers accustomed to technical analysis will not be persuaded by your insolence.

Your comments have less to do with engineering than with how your mind is feeling at the moment. In the real world where things get done, you’re the madman on the soapbox at the park.

 

[DeathDart]

Your remarks are snarky and fanciful. They are amusing. I practice the same often myself. However, professional engineers accustomed to technical analysis will not be persuaded by your insolence.

Your comments have less to do with engineering than with how your mind is feeling at the moment. In the real world where things get done, you’re the madman on the soapbox at the park.

I have to agree, I need to learn better control.

I have fought this as a lone wolf, and only by taking incredible risks, (with incredible luck), have I been able to succeed. For the conditions I was originally presented with, my demeanor was irrelevant. As the conspiracy dies, my world is changing and my demeanor must change. I have become feral and I must learn to integrate back into society, again.

 

[DeathDart]

Some of your remarks are snarky and fanciful. They are amusing. I practice the same often myself. These two are not interesting at all. Also, professional engineers accustomed to technical analysis will not be persuaded by your insolence.

Your comments have less to do with engineering than with how your mind is feeling at the moment. In the real world where things get done, you’re the madman on the soapbox at the park.

Analytical statements are usually couched in a lot of uncertainties, more than a few of other forum members view this a wishy-washy and an invitation to attack. So in simple terms I am saying, THEY STARTED IT FIRST.

 

[BasqueArch]

I have to agree, I need to learn better control.

I have fought this as a lone wolf, and only by taking incredible risks, (with incredible luck), have I been able to succeed. For the conditions I was originally presented with, my demeanor was irrelevant. As the conspiracy dies, my world is changing and my demeanor must change. I have become feral and I must learn to integrate back into society, again.

You should realize that to others, not yourself, this is cryptic.
What works in this world is the scientific method, of which the NIST report is a part of.

Anything, including your opinions and actions, that strays from the scientific method will result in, for you, unintended consequences.

 

[DeathDart]

You should realize that to others, not yourself, this is cryptic.
What works in this world is the scientific method, of which the NIST report is a part of.

Anything, including your opinions and actions, that strays from the scientific method will result in, for you, unintended consequences.

So if I am adding information that is not relevant, and appears to be cryptic, don't add it.

If I am intentionally trying to be cryptic, and all of this is not about the scientific method, then I have succeeded.

I am just playing the game they taught me.

 

[Dog Town]

I am just playing the game they taught me.

Were "they" wearing white coats?

 

[DeathDart]

Were "they" wearing white coats?

I Wish

 

[DeathDart]

I wish I had a program, so I could figure out which side the players are on.

If wishes were horses, then beggars would ride. Nope, that didn't make me feel any better.

 

[Clayton Moore]

Some of your remarks are snarky and fanciful. They are amusing. I practice the same often myself. These two are not interesting at all. Also, professional engineers accustomed to technical analysis will not be persuaded by your insolence.

Your comments have less to do with engineering than with how your mind is feeling at the moment. In the real world where things get done, you’re the madman on the soapbox at the park.

I challenge any one here to provide a list of 50 professional engineers and 50 professional architects who agree with the "gravitational collapse" of the three WTC buildings.

 

[NoahFence]

I challenge any one here to provide a list of 50 professional engineers and 50 professional architects who agree with the "gravitational collapse" of the three WTC buildings.

http://architectfinder.aia.org/frmPublicSearch.aspx


Here's 634 from Massachusetts.

You're welcome.



....and before you go there, if any of these came out and supported the lunacy of 9/11 trutherdom, you people would know about it by now because they'd be viewed as the unquestioned most knowledgeable and trustworthy people in the world.

 

[NoahFence]

Goalpost movement in 3......2.......1......

 

[Oz1976]

I challenge any one here to provide a list of 50 professional engineers and 50 professional architects who agree with the "gravitational collapse" of the three WTC buildings.

http://architectfinder.aia.org/frmPublicSearch.aspx


Here's 634 from Massachusetts.

You're welcome.



....and before you go there, if any of these came out and supported the lunacy of 9/11 trutherdom, you people would know about it by now because they'd be viewed as the unquestioned most knowledgeable and trustworthy people in the world.

Here's about 125,000 engineers....
www.asce.org

 

[sylvan8798]

To do what? Map the damage? Model the collapse in real life? Forget for a moment issues with practicality, how do you suggest they do this if they cannot adequately determine the location of the samples relative to the impact areas?

As an engineer and scientist, I can see wanting every piece to look at what happened. As an engineer and scientist, I can also realize that the amount of damage done to the falling pieces during the collapse might well have obliterated anything that I could have determined from looking at them PRIOR to the collapse. How will I know which damage is which? The ability to make such determinations seems somewhat limited.

Whatever truthers might feel about how much information they had access to, none of them believed the collapses were caused by anything OTHER than planes, damage, and fires. Call me naive, but I tend to think people trained in these fields, who actually had access to drawings, debris, and computer models, know more about what happened than any truther.