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bikerdruid said:
1. the techniques works well for those on your side of the argument.

2. :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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1: I primarily speak for myself. I do not hold you accountable for the ramblings of anyone on 'your' side. I do not appreciate you attributing other member's posting styles to me.

2: Still stands.
 
bikerdruid said:
this is not about saddam, but about the american fiasco that followed the invasion, destroyed iraqi culture, creating 100,000 unemployed soldiers that became the insurgency, (of necessity), the destruction and theft of world historical treasures and the deaths of hundreds of thousands of iraquis.
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Something happened. I was driving towards the south end zone and wham, the uprights disappeared.
 
Pardalis said:
No, back up your claim.
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they are backed up in the film by the following people:

* General Jay Garner, who briefly ran the reconstruction before being replaced by L. Paul Bremer
* Ambassador Barbara Bodine, who was placed in charge of the Baghdad embassy
* Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of the State Department
* Robert Hutchings, former chairman of the National Intelligence Council
* Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff
* Col. Paul Hughes, who worked in the ORHA and then the CPA



if you are too lazy to watch it, it is not my problem.
 
bikerdruid said:
americans created saddam's power regime, armed him, and winked at his atrocities .
americans are responsible for his atrocities, and their own.
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BTW, that's a nice piece of circular logic.

The US "created Saddam", and the US is responsible for the situation after Saddam. And your initial claim was that the Iraqis were better off under Saddam (which you claim the US created)... :boggled:

So should the US re-create another Saddam?

So the US is guilty no matter what happens, has happened, or will happen.

It would be nice to have such a simple worldview, everything can be explained with one evil.
 
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bikerdruid said:
they are backed up in the film by the following people:

* General Jay Garner, who briefly ran the reconstruction before being replaced by L. Paul Bremer
* Ambassador Barbara Bodine, who was placed in charge of the Baghdad embassy
* Richard Armitage, former deputy secretary of the State Department
* Robert Hutchings, former chairman of the National Intelligence Council
* Col. Lawrence Wilkerson, Colin Powell's former chief of staff
* Col. Paul Hughes, who worked in the ORHA and then the CPA



if you are too lazy to watch it, it is not my problem.
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Nice list. Name-dropping is not evidence.

Try again.
 
bikerdruid said:
americans created saddam's power regime
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No, that was his own doing.

armed him
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Not so much.

and winked at his atrocities
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I don't know what you mean by 'winked'. Ellaborate?

americans are responsible for his atrocities, and their own.
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Should a nation ever consider righting their wrongs? According to you we put Saddam in power, but are in no way responsible enough to rectify a horrible mistake?

OK buddy.
 
But all that happened during Saddam was good according to Bikerdruid, since he claims things were better back then.

He's trying to accuse the US of deteriorating the Iraqis' life by removing Saddam, and now he's trying to have his cake and eat it too, now he's trying to accuse the US of having caused what happened during Saddam Hussein.

So which is it? Was life better when the US "created Saddam", or when they removed him?

This makes no sense.
 
trustbutverify said:
The words we choose to apply to individuals and groups are a function of how we feel about them. You know this. We all use words and labels as rewards to those we support and weapons against those we don't.

If i refer to Urgun as freedom fighters it almost certainly means that I identify with and support them. If I use the label terrorist it's the opposite.

If i ask someone if they would vote for a political party which was deeply racist against jews and advocated genocidal policies against them- if they also advocated economic policies that person loved, and they answered "I'm not sure.", well- to me that's a powerful indicator about where that person is coming from.
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It's almost as though you believe you can tell something of what someone thinks and feels just by reading the words they've written describing what they think and feel. ;)
 
bikerdruid said:
pardalis...how many dead palestinian children are acceptable to you?
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I think a better question is how many are acceptable to you?

Let's be honest, Palestinian children die because Palestinian leadership (Hamas, Fatah, doesn't matter) continues to lead the Palestinian people on a ruinous path to a war they can't possible win. If you're truly concerned about Palestinian children, and we all should be, then the most direct path to their safety is to stop admiring Hamas as "freedom fighters" and to look at the ways they needlessly escalate and prolong the conflict.
 
The Fool said:
I politely decline to attempt to find examples that justify wildcats claim. That should be a job for wildcat....and yourself if you want too....can you come up with examples of support for Hamas on this forum that he is whining about?
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Alright, one example that has already been raised...

There is this one fellow who insists that the Gaza port should be open for business, yet can't explain how that can be accomplished without allowing Hamas unlimited opportunity to import weapons. That same fellow can't see any purpose in a compromise such as allowing goods to be imported through Ashdod then trucked to Gaza, even though it would satisfy all the same needs without allowing importation of weapons.

I would say this person supports Hamas even though he claims not to. Why? Because he supports policies that would be beneficial to Hamas while rejecting other policies that have the same benefits to Gaza people but wouldn't benefit Hamas in the same way.
 
Mycroft said:
I would say this person supports Hamas even though he claims not to. Why? Because he supports policies that would be beneficial to Hamas while rejecting other policies that have the same benefits to Gaza people but wouldn't benefit Hamas in the same way.
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Ah, so two questions:

Does this person then love it when Israelis die from terror attacks?

Or does this mean they are a "useful idiot", and thus unconsciously in support of Hamas?
 
Mycroft said:
Alright, one example that has already been raised...

There is this one fellow who insists that the Gaza port should be open for business, yet can't explain how that can be accomplished without allowing Hamas unlimited opportunity to import weapons. That same fellow can't see any purpose in a compromise such as allowing goods to be imported through Ashdod then trucked to Gaza, even though it would satisfy all the same needs without allowing importation of weapons.

I would say this person supports Hamas even though he claims not to. Why? Because he supports policies that would be beneficial to Hamas while rejecting other policies that have the same benefits to Gaza people but wouldn't benefit Hamas in the same way.
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do you have the courage to name this mystery person so that you version of events can be fact checked? Or is avoiding that the purpose?
 
Mycroft said:
It's almost as though you believe you can tell something of what someone thinks and feels just by reading the words they've written describing what they think and feel. ;)
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Indeed! And once we ascertain from their words that we can apply the word "support" to them, we can then understand that they support absolutely everything the object of their support does.

After all, in for an inch you're in for a mile!
 
The Fool said:
do you have the courage to name this mystery person so that you version of events can be fact checked? Or is avoiding that the purpose?
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That person doesn't sound familiar The Fool? Maybe your account has been hijacked?
 
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