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Merged Continuation - 9/11 CT subforum General Discussion Thread

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Dave Rogers said:
Bush did no such thing. The investigation into the 9/11 attacks, operation PENTTBOM, began immediately after the attacks and is the largest operation in the history of the FBI, at its height involving well over half the staff and budget of the bureau. No effort was made to prevent its starting in a timely fashion, and nobody has ever seriously claimed it was underfunded.

President Bush blocked the formation of, and tried not to provide adequate funds for, a commission to scrutinise the results of the investigation and to determine lessons learned, which is a very different thing.

Dave
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Think of me replying something super sarcastic and laughingly incredulous.

SMH


Are you kidding? Bush interfered with a public investigation of 9/11 and y'all are okay with that?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Think of me replying something super sarcastic and laughingly incredulous.
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If you don't mind, I'd find it easier to think of you replying with something demonstrating that you haven't comprehended a single word I've posted and have no idea what you're talking about.

Clayton Moore said:
Are you kidding? Bush interfered with a public investigation of 9/11 and y'all are okay with that?
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On second thoughts, no need...

Dave
 
Christopher7 said:
Thank you very much. It is as I had said it was. By shutting the valve at the red arrow, risers 2 and 3 could be isolated from the rest of the system.

[qimg]http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5535/wtc7risersystem.jpg[/qimg]

With double female fittings, lines could be attached on the 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th floors.

ETA: Double female availability
http://www.axmenfire.com/browse.cfm/2,24.html
http://www.indiamart.com/geeta-enterprises/fire-fighting-equipments.html
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IIRC fire hose valves (FHV) are pressure reducing. Not sure how good that would work in reverse. Also, FDNY uses custom fittings.

I also notice the standpipes are 6" and 8". Using the FHV the most you could tap on is a 1 1/2 or a 2".
 
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NoahFence said:
I provide the source, you discredit it. You people have been playing this game for ages. Do you REALLY think we don't know how it's played?
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You are talking about the OCT loyalists, and yes, you know how to play that game.

Who was the engineer? Or were you just talking?
 
Christopher7 said:
You are talking about the OCT loyalists, and yes, you know how to play that game.

Who was the engineer? Or were you just talking?
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Tell you what. I'll source it, give names, perhaps even times if I'm feeling generous.

All you gotta do is tell me what the missing ingredient was. Why couldn't they get all that life-giving H2O to the fires?
 
Clayton Moore said:
Think of me replying something super sarcastic and laughingly incredulous.

SMH


Are you kidding? Bush interfered with a public investigation of 9/11 and y'all are okay with that?
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Bush sort of tried to interfere with the Commission report which was largely of no consequence. All it did was look into the previous real investigations and try to formulate a narrative that might have implications for policy decisions. It was not a criminal investigation. It was not an engineering investigation.
 
Christopher7 said:
Thank you very much. It is as I had said it was. By shutting the valve at the red arrow, risers 2 and 3 could be isolated from the rest of the system.

[qimg]http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5535/wtc7risersystem.jpg[/qimg]

With double female fittings, lines could be attached on the 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th floors.

ETA: Double female availability
http://www.axmenfire.com/browse.cfm/2,24.html
http://www.indiamart.com/geeta-enterprises/fire-fighting-equipments.html
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When you shut off the valve you pointed to in red, you shut off the water to all of the FHV that you hilited with yellow arrows. Go back and try again.

LOL!!

it is VERY obvious that you have NO clue when it comes to standpipe operations, and cannot read a schematic of standpipes.
 
Clayton Moore said:
Every NY fireman, other than the courageous fallen, was available.
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Incorrect. FDNY still had to man other stations to provide fire protection to the rest of NYC's 5 boroughs.

Foolish to think that the rest of the city would go un-protected.

Even if you could LEGALLY put all of FDNY's assets at GZ, it doesn't make much sense.
 
triforcharity said:
When you shut off the valve you pointed to in red, you shut off the water to all of the FHV that you hilited with yellow arrows. Go back and try again.

LOL!!

it is VERY obvious that you have NO clue when it comes to standpipe operations, and cannot read a schematic of standpipes.
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If I were a carpenter.........
 
Justin39640 said:
IIRC fire hose valves (FHV) are pressure reducing.
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Correct.

Justin39640 said:
Not sure how good that would work in reverse.
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Not very well.

Justin39640 said:
Also, FDNY uses custom fittings.
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The threads are the same for every department in the USA.

Justin39640 said:
I also notice the standpipes are 6" and 8". Using the FHV the most you could tap on is a 1 1/2 or a 2".
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It is actually a 1 3/4 or 2 1/2", but hey, it doesn't matter because he still hasn't figured out why his theory wouldn't work.
 
Justin39640 said:
IIRC fire hose valves (FHV) are pressure reducing. Not sure how good that would work in reverse.
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Your point is well taken. I have never tried to run a pressure reducing valve backwards.
Also, FDNY uses custom fittings.
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They would be reduced to what a 2 1/2" line could safely handle and that's what would be feeding them.
See 1-4B pg 26 [pdf pg 78]
 
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Christopher7 said:
Thank you very much. It is as I had said it was. By shutting the valve at the red arrow, risers 2 and 3 could be isolated from the rest of the system.

[qimg]http://img220.imageshack.us/img220/5535/wtc7risersystem.jpg[/qimg]

With double female fittings, lines could be attached on the 1st 2nd 3rd and 4th floors.

ETA: Double female availability
http://www.axmenfire.com/browse.cfm/2,24.html
http://www.indiamart.com/geeta-enterprises/fire-fighting-equipments.html
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<sigh> by turning off the valve you indicated......all your little yellow arrows would have had NO water. Stick to carpentry.
 
Animal said:
<sigh> by turning off the valve you indicated......all your little yellow arrows would have had NO water. Stick to carpentry.
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I think he's trying to bypass the fire dept connections (FDC), isolate, and charge that riser by feeding water into the fire hose valves (FHV) on the first few floors.
 
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Justin39640 said:
I think he's trying to bypass the fire dept connections (FDC), isolate, and charge that riser by feeding water into the fire hose valves (FHV) on the first few floors.
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And you will not get squat out of the other end. There is a reason why there is a "Y" fitting for the FD. The other factor that troofers don't consider is that the damaged sprinkler lines would have caused a significant pressure loss ......it would be like trying to get much pressure out of the out of the opposite end of a soaker hose.
 
Justin39640 said:
I think he's trying to bypass the fire dept connections (FDC), isolate, and charge that riser by feeding water into the fire hose valves (FHV) on the first few floors.
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Most FHV have automatic check valves inside them. Can't flow backwards in them.
 
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